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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on July 02, 2019, 03:03:54 PM
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It seems the entire group followed a similar pattern every day. This included meeting up with C8 at the end of 'Kids Club' at which time they had 'high tea'. T9 and C8 then headed over to the play park before each family went back to their respective apartments to put the children to bed and get ready for the jolly up @ Tapas, no doubt sharing a few doctor jokes during the course of the evening.
Anyone with an unhealthy interest in small children may have had prime viewing of this play park from a balcony to the extent they may even have overheard the names of the various individuals.
Can anyone assist with any images of this play park and its location relative to T9 apartments and Tapas bar? Thanks.
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It seems the entire group followed a similar pattern every day. This included meeting up with C8 at the end of 'Kids Club' at which time they had 'high tea'. T9 and C8 then headed over to the play park before each family went back to their respective apartments to put the children to bed and get ready for the jolly up @ Tapas, no doubt sharing a few doctor jokes during the course of the evening.
Anyone with an unhealthy interest in small children may have had prime viewing of this play park from a balcony to the extent they may even have overheard the names of the various individuals.
Can anyone assist with any images of this play park and its location relative to T9 apartments and Tapas bar? Thanks.
Except for the 'fateful 3rd', it would seem. I wonder why that was?
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It seems the entire group followed a similar pattern every day. This included meeting up with C8 at the end of 'Kids Club' at which time they had 'high tea'. T9 and C8 then headed over to the play park before each family went back to their respective apartments to put the children to bed and get ready for the jolly up @ Tapas, no doubt sharing a few doctor jokes during the course of the evening.
Anyone with an unhealthy interest in small children may have had prime viewing of this play park from a balcony to the extent they may even have overheard the names of the various individuals.
Can anyone assist with any images of this play park and its location relative to T9 apartments and Tapas bar? Thanks.
The McCanns weren’t at the play park on the 3rd. Don’t you think that would make a difference to the child the alleged abductor targeted, if what you say was a factor ?
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It seems the entire group followed a similar pattern every day. This included meeting up with C8 at the end of 'Kids Club' at which time they had 'high tea'. T9 and C8 then headed over to the play park before each family went back to their respective apartments to put the children to bed and get ready for the jolly up @ Tapas, no doubt sharing a few doctor jokes during the course of the evening.
Anyone with an unhealthy interest in small children may have had prime viewing of this play park from a balcony to the extent they may even have overheard the names of the various individuals.
Can anyone assist with any images of this play park and its location relative to T9 apartments and Tapas bar? Thanks.
It was such a great patters they couldn't recall most of what they did, with whom,for how long, and on what day!
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It seems the entire group followed a similar pattern every day. This included meeting up with C8 at the end of 'Kids Club' at which time they had 'high tea'. T9 and C8 then headed over to the play park before each family went back to their respective apartments to put the children to bed and get ready for the jolly up @ Tapas, no doubt sharing a few doctor jokes during the course of the evening.
Anyone with an unhealthy interest in small children may have had prime viewing of this play park from a balcony to the extent they may even have overheard the names of the various individuals.
Can anyone assist with any images of this play park and its location relative to T9 apartments and Tapas bar? Thanks.
"It seems the entire group followed a similar pattern every day. This included meeting up with C8 at the end of 'Kids Club' at which time they had 'high tea'. T9 and C8 then headed over to the play park before each family went back to their respective apartments to put the children to bed and get ready for the jolly up @ Tapas, no doubt sharing a few doctor jokes during the course of the evening."
This so called routine did not happen on the Thursday afternoon.
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Except for the 'fateful 3rd', it would seem. I wonder why that was?
Yes many wonder. Tiredness was the claim for the change in routine. Madeleine was so tired, Kate had to carry her back to the apartment. There are of course no witnesses who can back up her claim. And an hour later David said they were all happy and didn't mention tiredness at all. Do these two witnesses agree on anything only hours before the disappearance?
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Yes many wonder. Tiredness was the claim for the change in routine. Madeleine was so tired, Kate had to carry her back to the apartment. There are of course no witnesses who can back up her claim. And an hour later David said they were all happy and didn't mention tiredness at all. Do these two witnesses agree on anything only hours before the disappearance?
Well at least you agree there was a change in the routine.
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Yes and that's what investigators look for. Any changes in the norm! If witnesses then contradict then you look closer!
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Yes and that's what investigators look for. Any changes in the norm! If witnesses then contradict then you look closer!
Sounds about right. Yes and what did they find?
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Many contradictions at that time if they have investigated it. David couldn't remember what Kate was wearing so it wasn't a towel ?>)()<
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Many contradictions at that time if they have investigated it. David couldn't remember what Kate was wearing so it wasn't a towel ?>)()<
So what was it she was wearing?
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Except for the 'fateful 3rd', it would seem. I wonder why that was?
Well Madeleine and the twins were too tired to go to the play park (drugged at teatime?).
Or maybe it was because all the children had had an exhausting day on the 3rd. Out of doors down by the beach, sailing IIRC
And also the men all seemed to be playing tennis at the time the children would have been playing.
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David Payne didn't say they were tired at 18:30. Kate said they were tired.
"The three children were all you know dressed you know in their pyjamas, you know they looked immaculate, you know they were just like angels, they all looked so happy."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm
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So what was it she was wearing?
A smile ?
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Many contradictions at that time if they have investigated it. David couldn't remember what Kate was wearing so it wasn't a towel ?>)()<
In your opinion.
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"It seems the entire group followed a similar pattern every day. This included meeting up with C8 at the end of 'Kids Club' at which time they had 'high tea'. T9 and C8 then headed over to the play park before each family went back to their respective apartments to put the children to bed and get ready for the jolly up @ Tapas, no doubt sharing a few doctor jokes during the course of the evening."
This so called routine did not happen on the Thursday afternoon.
That's why I used the word similar.
I don't see the fact they didn't visit the play park on Thu as significant. What's significant to me is that anyone observing from a balcony, who might have had an unhealthy interest in children, could observe T9 and C8 and see which children belonged to which parents and possibly learn info such as names and other personal info over Sat/Sun to Wed. Any such person could then track the families returning to their respective apartments, observe T9 4 Tapas @ 8.30 pm minus C8, clock the 30 mins checks and crucially observe the McCanns exiting via the patio door which he/she would know was unlocked!
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Do you seriously think it happened that way?
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Do you seriously think it happened that way?
It's a theory. Do you see any reason it didn't happen that way?
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It's a theory. Do you see any reason it didn't happen that way?
Only that it is all supposition with nothing to support it.
IMO
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Only that it is all supposition with nothing to support it.
IMO
Is there anything that rules it out, in your opinion?
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Is there anything that rules it out, in your opinion?
Only, as I said in previous post, nothing to support it
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Only, as I said in previous post, nothing to support it
So nothing to rule it out either. 8((()*/
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Only that it is all supposition with nothing to support it.
IMO
But there's only a finite number of people who knew MM was 'home alone'
- McCanns - no evidence
- T7 - no evidence
- Those who could observe the McCanns patterns (from vanatage points) or knew about them directly or indirectly from others (Mrs Fenn/Edna Glyn/OC employees). Have all these people been accounted for and eliminated?
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But there's only a finite number of people who knew MM was 'home alone'
- McCanns - no evidence
- T7 - no evidence
- Those who could observe the McCanns patterns (from vanatage points) or knew about them directly or indirectly from others (Mrs Fenn/Edna Glyn/OC employees). Have all these people been accounted for and eliminated?
And no evidence against your 3rd option either.
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And no evidence against your 3rd option either.
But have they all been interviewed and eliminated in the way that the McCanns/T7 have been? Its not even clear to me they have all been identified let alone eliminated?
If you read that police report I uploaded on the other thread re Shannon Matthews/police review/dog alerts you will see the sort of searches carried out eg house to house. Were all the apartments that had vantage points pertaining to Tapas and 5A searched?
The problem as I see it is that the case involves a highly transient population. Many of those occupying apartments departed on the Sat some probably earlier. I've seen holidaymakers from England followed up but surely there must have been holiday makers from other European countries? If so I haven't seen any evidence these individuals have been followed up?
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But have they all been interviewed and eliminated in the way that the McCanns/T7 have been? Its not even clear to me they have all been identified let alone eliminated?
If you read that police report I uploaded on the other thread re Shannon Matthews/police review/dog alerts you will see the sort of searches carried out eg house to house. Were all the apartments that had vantage points pertaining to Tapas and 5A searched?
The problem as I see it is that the case involves a highly transient population. Many of those occupying apartments departed on the Sat some probably earlier. I've seen holidaymakers from England followed up but surely there must have been holiday makers from other European countries? If so I haven't seen any evidence these individuals have been followed up?
That might be why SY are still working on the case 12 years later.
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But have they all been interviewed and eliminated in the way that the McCanns/T7 have been? Its not even clear to me they have all been identified let alone eliminated?
If you read that police report I uploaded on the other thread re Shannon Matthews/police review/dog alerts you will see the sort of searches carried out eg house to house. Were all the apartments that had vantage points pertaining to Tapas and 5A searched?
The problem as I see it is that the case involves a highly transient population. Many of those occupying apartments departed on the Sat some probably earlier. I've seen holidaymakers from England followed up but surely there must have been holiday makers from other European countries? If so I haven't seen any evidence these individuals have been followed up?
The McCanns and their friends have been interviewed, but I'm not convinced they've been eliminated. Operation Grange thought they had been according to A C Rowley, but the Portuguese Supreme Court judges disagreed in their ruling dated January 2017.
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The McCanns and their friends have been interviewed, but I'm not convinced they've been eliminated. Operation Grange thought they had been according to A C Rowley, but the Portuguese Supreme Court judges disagreed in their ruling dated January 2017.
Well they're no longer aguidos?
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Well they're no longer aguidos?
Is that not because the case was archived ?
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Is that not because the case was archived ?
The case has been re-opened, were you not aware?
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The case has been re-opened, were you not aware?
Of course, but does that mean that all previous arguidos have to be reinstated ?
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Of course, but does that mean that all previous arguidos have to be reinstated ?
If they were still the main suspects why wouldn’t they be?
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If they were still the main suspects why wouldn’t they be?
They would only re-arguido them if & when they wished to question them -IMO
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They would only re-arguido them if & when they wished to question them -IMO
And why would they not wish to do that, particularly as one of them refused to answer their questions the first time round?
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Is that not because the case was archived ?
All very convenient IMO.
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The case has been re-opened, were you not aware?
But they can't put the case back into the box. The file has been released so every more will be scrutinised. I love it.
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But they can't put the case back into the box. The file has been released so every move will be scrutinised. I love it.
When the case is closed again, do you think even more files will be released ? 8(*(
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When the case is closed again, do you think even more files will be released ? 8(*(
No I don't - It won't be closed until it is solved.
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No I don't - It won't be closed until it is solved.
You mean it will go on for ever 8(8-))
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You mean it will go on for ever 8(8-))
What are we talking about? Can I join in? What box?
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What are we talking about? Can I join in? What box?
The box Jack came out of as in Jack in the box. Go to bed!
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What are we talking about? Can I join in? What box?
One of these.
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You mean it will go on for ever 8(8-))
I feel we are getting closer. It won't need to go on forever.
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I feel we are getting closer. It won't need to go on forever.
You'll be able to go back to putting your finger up cats bums again
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When the case is closed again, do you think even more files will be released ? 8(*(
8@??)(Oh goody another Amaral book and law suit... ^*&&