No Smells!

[Holly Goodhead]

You can invent things to your heart's content, but unless you can demonstrate that they actually happened in this case, you are wasting your time IMO

It's not a case of inventing things its ruling out other explanations and possibilities.  I don't need to demonstrate anything it has already been done by The National Policing Improvement Agency:

The Victim Recovery Dogs used in this operation were drawn from 4 different forces.  It emerged that each force has its own training and deployment policy and so there is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done.  Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers, or record keeping of the success rate they achieve.  This makes it difficult for SIO's to interpret the indication from a dog with no way knowing how reliable that indication was in the first place.  ACPO is currently examining this issue due to a number of recent cases where the use of victim recovery dogs has had the potential to cause complications in an enquiry.

The properties that the dog searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture. 

The value of these dogs is undoubted, but there is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment and better information for SIOs about their use.  The NPIA is currently working with the ACPO Strategic Dogs Working Group to resolve these issues.

Page 25 of doc:

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

[The General]

You have absolutely nothing to base that assumption on.

No, let's have this. I'm intrigued. I want to read about the travel path of this odour.
Which way would you expect an odour to travel, Holly?

[jassi]

It's not a case of inventing things its ruling out other explanations and possibilities.  I don't need to demonstrate anything it has already been done by The National Policing Improvement Agency:

The Victim Recovery Dogs used in this operation were drawn from 4 different forces.  It emerged that each force has its own training and deployment policy and so there is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done.  Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers, or record keeping of the success rate they achieve.  This makes it difficult for SIO's to interpret the indication from a dog with no way knowing how reliable that indication was in the first place.  ACPO is currently examining this issue due to a number of recent cases where the use of victim recovery dogs has had the potential to cause complications in an enquiry.

The properties that the dog searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture. 

The value of these dogs is undoubted, but there is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment and better information for SIOs about their use.  The NPIA is currently working with the ACPO Strategic Dogs Working Group to resolve these issues.

Page 25 of doc:

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

You are inventing your suggestion that Mrs Fenn's apartment wreaked of death which just happened to percolate downwards into 5A

[Venturi Swirl]

I would love to know what the PJ told Martin Grime about the case prior to the dog searches.

[The General]

I would love to know what the PJ told Martin Grime about the case prior to the dog searches.

He said that he'd be happy to help. He said his dogs like Pedigree Chum, but due to their success rate, he feeds them on Winalot!

[Robittybob1]

You are inventing your suggestion that Mrs Fenn's apartment wreaked of death which just happened to percolate downwards into 5A

That is a theory.  Stands until it is proven wrong.

[Robittybob1]

He said that he'd be happy to help. He said his dogs like Pedigree Chum, but due to their success rate, he feeds them on Winalot!

They are certainly full of energy.  He must feed them well.

[Venturi Swirl]

He said that he'd be happy to help. He said his dogs like Pedigree Chum, but due to their success rate, he feeds them on Winalot!

Interesting but I was more interested in what the PJ told him about the case before the searches took place rather than what he told them about his furry friends.

[barrier]

You are inventing your suggestion that Mrs Fenn's apartment wreaked of death which just happened to percolate downwards into 5A

That is a theory.  Stands until it is proven wrong.

Another one to add to the village of the damned.

Pinched from elsewhere.

"What a place. Why does anyone holiday there?
It's populated by black heroin addicts, people who rob apartments, gypsies who steal scrap and wood, scruffy moustachioed lurers of children, bogus charity collectors, suspicious street musicians, men lurking near phone booths, glasses man lurking in stairwells, blond men suspiciously lurking outside apartments, soothing couples entering apartments without permission, mysterious gangs of cleaners, men taking photographs of children on beaches... And to top it all, you have to queue for a table booking."

[The General]

Interesting but I was more interested in what the PJ told him about the case before the searches took place rather than what he told them about his furry friends.

Ah, OK. Don't know.

[sadie]

He said that he'd be happy to help. He said his dogs like Pedigree Chum, but due to their success rate, he feeds them on Winalot!

   I like it!

[Robittybob1]

  I like it!

It sounds really meaty.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Well exactly. How many were issuing death certificates, for example?

There was a claim on another thread (sorry can't locate it- so many dog threads!) a lot was made of the fact that kate was a GP and there may be cross contamination from her trousers as she handed out death certificates.

The supporters made great posts  supporting with that one. I laughed my head off.