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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2016, 06:39:17 PM »
OK I accept it is written by Paul Ridley.
Signed and dated by Jez.
But he is writing down what Jez is saying as he is saying it.  So a crossed out part sentence is a part sentence said but later retracted rather the police putting words in that Jez didn't say.  Agree or disagree?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2016, 09:03:21 PM »
But he is writing down what Jez is saying as he is saying it.  So a crossed out part sentence is a part sentence said but later retracted rather the police putting words in that Jez didn't say.  Agree or disagree?

All intialled alterations are done on the instructions of the person giving the statement before they sign the page. They can be done for various reasons. Read O'Briens rog to understand how it's done
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2016, 09:44:07 PM »
But he is writing down what Jez is saying as he is saying it.  So a crossed out part sentence is a part sentence said but later retracted rather the police putting words in that Jez didn't say.  Agree or disagree?

I have given statements to police and some police certainly try to put words into people's mouths

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2016, 11:05:34 PM »
I have given statements to police and some police certainly try to put words into people's mouths
Do you think it is likely they were doing the same to Jez wilkins on the 7th May 2007?
Why didn't they give a statement before they left Praia da Luz.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2016, 11:56:25 PM »
Do you think it is likely they were doing the same to Jez wilkins on the 7th May 2007?
Why didn't they give a statement before they left Praia da Luz.

Amaral, believe it or not, moved very quickly when he learned from Jane and Gerry's statements that there was a potentially important witness out there.

By FAX
Department of Criminal Investigation at PORTIMAO.

CONFIDENTIAL/URGENT.

To : Detective Chief Superintendent Robert Hall
Fax: 00441XXXXXXXXX
From: Goncalo Amaral - C.I.C. no D.I.C. de PortimAo
C/C : Fax:
Data: 07-05-2007 . No pages : 03
Ref : N / ref : Inq. 201107.0 GALGS
Subject : Request for Collaboration

In furtherance of your operation TASK and International Police Cooperation please see the following points:

1. Could you consider making enquiries to question JEREMY MICHAEL WILKINS (UK Passport No 205XXXXXX, DOB 24.02.1974) ?
Wilkins was staying at the Ocean Club resort at the time of Madeleine's disappearance and may have vital information. Wilkins lives at the following address, 23 MXXXXX RXXX, London, NWlX XXX. Wilkins is contactable on the following telephone numbers 00447XXXXXXXXX and 00442XXXXXXXXX.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2016, 12:34:45 AM »
Further down in the file is a comment "Pages 838-845 are poor copies of the translation in pages 729 to736. Also, it is very likely that both are associated with the e-mail dated 8 May on page 837 sending an urgent translation to the PJ, but there is no guarantee of that from either the subject or the files names of the e-mail attachments."
Pages 729 to 736 and Pages 838-845 are all in Portuguese but it is Pages 838-845 that are poorer quality than the later ones pages 729 to 736.
Looking at the retranslation of Pages 838-845 as the statement in English in the file shows errors compared to Jez' original handwritten notes, so it will be interesting to see what the poorly translated pages actually says in English.
(Was it enough to divert attention away from Jez?)
Who did the first translation, the poor quality one?

You can see why we always need translators that don't have a conflict of interest in the case.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2016, 10:52:02 AM »
Further down in the file is a comment "Pages 838-845 are poor copies of the translation in pages 729 to736. Also, it is very likely that both are associated with the e-mail dated 8 May on page 837 sending an urgent translation to the PJ, but there is no guarantee of that from either the subject or the files names of the e-mail attachments."
Pages 729 to 736 and Pages 838-845 are all in Portuguese but it is Pages 838-845 that are poorer quality than the later ones pages 729 to 736.
Looking at the retranslation of Pages 838-845 as the statement in English in the file shows errors compared to Jez' original handwritten notes, so it will be interesting to see what the poorly translated pages actually says in English.
(Was it enough to divert attention away from Jez?)
Who did the first translation, the poor quality one?

You can see why we always need translators that don't have a conflict of interest in the case.

There was an urgent and unusual need for interpreters and translators in this case. There's no evidence that any of them had a conflict of interests.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2016, 11:01:23 AM »
There was an urgent and unusual need for interpreters and translators in this case. There's no evidence that any of them had a conflict of interests.

They probably didn't have but isn't all this being done on an "imagine if" basis?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2016, 11:05:55 AM »
They probably didn't have but isn't all this being done on an "imagine if" basis?

I believe a certain person has been accused of bias on another thread.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2016, 11:35:01 AM »
I believe a certain person has been accused of bias on another thread.

I must admit I incline to the view that the board has degenerated to  "There is Red under every bed" and everything is explicable by there being a clandestine plot of one sort or another.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2016, 11:56:01 AM »
There was an urgent and unusual need for interpreters and translators in this case. There's no evidence that any of them had a conflict of interests.
.. any of them ...????
Why was Robert Murat taken off being a translator?  Now to me he was more independent than Silvia Batista yet somehow a group of them including Silvia Batista accuse him of being too interested in the case.

She had an interest in getting Robert Murat off the case.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2016, 12:13:18 PM »
.. any of them ...????
Why was Robert Murat taken off being a translator?  Now to me he was more independent than Silvia Batista yet somehow a group of them including Silvia Batista accuse him of being too interested in the case.

1. He was a stopgap until the professionals were put in place.
2. A UK journalist raised concerns about him on 6th May.
3. An anonymous Portuguese telephone caller voiced suspicions about him on 8th May.
4. He lived in the direction Tannerman was heading.

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Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2016, 05:55:37 PM »
1. He was a stopgap until the professionals were put in place.
2. A UK journalist raised concerns about him on 6th May.
3. An anonymous Portuguese telephone caller voiced suspicions about him on 8th May.
4. He lived in the direction Tannerman was heading.
1. "He was a stopgap until the professionals were put in place."  Both were weren't they?
2.  "A UK journalist raised concerns about him on 6th May." They would have been raising issues about other things too and nothing was done about them.
3. "An anonymous Portuguese telephone caller voiced suspicions about him on 8th May."  Do you think for a moment that was Silvia?  Anonymous - could be anyone but when you look at the things being said it narrows it down.
4. "He lived in the direction Tannerman was heading."  Poor excuse for making him arguido.
 


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Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2016, 05:58:36 PM »
I must admit I incline to the view that the board has degenerated to  "There is Red under every bed" and everything is explicable by there being a clandestine plot of one sort or another.

Reds under the bed?

Perhaps you should add black and white to those colours?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Jez Wilkins hand written statement.
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2016, 06:13:10 PM »
Silvia Batista starts off defending Ocean Club's practices, the mere fact that she does this is enough to show there could be a conflict of interest in this case.  Surely the PJ considered if the OC child care facilities and procedures could be at fault.
On the very night Jane has claimed to see an individual Silvia is trying to undermine the veracity of what Jane has seen.  That is not the role of an independent translator.
To me it is black and white with shades of grey in between.
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