Claims by family that the front door was open are subsequently quietly dropped.

[Lace]

I have always wondered if the family were confused by 'the door was open'  comment.

The McCann's left the door to the children's bedroom open a certain amount when they left the apartment.    When Kate does her check she say's the door was open more than they had left it.

Now,   if this had been said on the phone by  Gerry in his distraught state, it might have come out very muddled and the family got the impression that the front door was open.

[Mr Gray]

I have always wondered if the family were confused by 'the door was open'  comment.

The McCann's left the door to the children's bedroom open a certain amount when they left the apartment.    When Kate does her check she say's the door was open more than they had left it.

Now,   if this had been said on the phone by  Gerry in his distraught state, it might have come out very muddled and the family got the impression that the front door was open.

there doesnt seem to be any evidence that the McCanns lied

[Albertini]

Are you sure about this. I am not saying you are wrong, but I haven't seen anything to support this.

Really? This is one of the most basic facets of the case. Have you actually read the statements?:

Gerry McCann's witness statement: 04 May 2007

Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition.

At 10pm, his wife Kate went to check on the children. She went into the apartment through the door using her key and saw right away that the children’s bedroom door was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains drawn open.

Kate McCann's witness statement: 04 May 2007

At around 10pm, the witness came to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked, as already said, and immediately noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Gerry McCann's witness statement: 10 May 2007

 Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside. Concerning the front door, although he is certain that it was closed, it is unlikely that it was locked, because they left through the back door.

He walked the normal route up to the back door, which being open he only had to slide, and while he was entering the living room, he noticed that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought was strange, having then thought that possibly MADELEINE had got up to go to sleep in his bedroom, so as to avoid the noise produced by her siblings. Therefore, he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and he is certain of this, that the three were deeply asleep. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, then went to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the shutters, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the living room.

[Albertini]

from the lack of input on this thread to show that the MCCanns changed their stories it seems they have been unfairly accused and have been telling the truth all along.

 

Haha!! So your argument is that because no other posters on a Sunday have replied to this thread on  a discussion forum, this represents evidence that the mcCann's must have been telling the truth??

What kind of reasoning is that?

To use your own words, and i'll be blunt...stupid!

[Angelo222]

Are you sure about this. I am not saying you are wrong, but I haven't seen anything to support this.

Why do you think we have discussed why he took the long way round?   It's all in the files if you care to look.

How anyone could get the issue of the doors so wrong just hours after the event is beyond me.  It wasn't as if he just got the doors mixed up as the patio door could not be locked or unlocked from the outside.  This is but one reason why the McCanns credibility is still being challenged.

[Carana]

Why do you think we have discussed why he took the long way round?   It's all in the files if you care to look.

How anyone could get the issue of the doors so wrong just hours after the event is beyond me.  It wasn't as if he just got the doors mixed up as the patio door could not be locked or unlocked from the outside.  This is but one reason why the McCanns credibility is still being challenged.

That's one reason why there should be recorded verbatim statements.

Why would he mention that that Matt had gone in via the unlocked patio door in the same statement?
Do you discount a simple communication misunderstanding?

[faithlilly]

That's one reason why there should be recorded verbatim statements.

Why would he mention that that Matt had gone in via the unlocked patio door in the same statement?
Do you discount a simple communication misunderstanding?

Gerry signed the statement translation as a true account of what he'd said.

[Albertini]

That's one reason why there should be recorded verbatim statements.

Why would he mention that that Matt had gone in via the unlocked patio door in the same statement?
Do you discount a simple communication misunderstanding?

Because he hadn't got his story straight, that's why.

nope, no chance of a simple communication misunderstanding:

Statement 10th May

Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside. Concerning the front door, although he is certain that it was closed, it is unlikely that it was locked, because they left through the back door.

He knew exactly what he said.

Why can you not accept one thing,not one iota of what they said to be at all suspicious?

You can believe the abduction theory without excusing or trying to find reason in every single thing. It is perfectly fine to say" hum, i do believe the child was abducted but this element of the statements are strange and don't add up".

Instead we see a constant stream of spurious excuses for every single discrepancy.

[Albertini]

I have always wondered if the family were confused by 'the door was open'  comment.

The McCann's left the door to the children's bedroom open a certain amount when they left the apartment.    When Kate does her check she say's the door was open more than they had left it.

Now,   if this had been said on the phone by  Gerry in his distraught state, it might have come out very muddled and the family got the impression that the front door was open.

It was quite clear what they said to all the people they spoke to on the night:

Trish Cameron -
Gerry McCanns sister, said she received a telephone call from her 39-year-old brother, a
consultant cardiologist, who was "hysterical and crying his eyes out". She said: "They last
checked at half past nine and they were all sound asleep, sleeping, windows shut, shutters
shut. Kate went back at 10 o'clock to check. The front door was lying open, the window had
been tampered with, the shutters had been jemmied open or whatever you call it and
Madeleine was missing...”
Brian Healy -
Madeleine's maternal grandfather, told the Guardian his son-in-law had phoned him shortly
after returning "Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken,
they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet.
The door was open."
Jon Corner -
a close friend of Kate McCann and godparent of the twins, said she phoned him in the middle
of the night distraught. He said: "She just blurted out that Madeleine had been abducted.
Kate said the shutters of the room were smashed. Madeleine was missing It looks as
though someone had gone straight past the twins to get to her.
Jill (or Gill) Renwick -
a family friend told GMTV the McCanns were certain that Madeleine has been abducted. "They
were just watching the hotel room and going back every half-hour and the shutters had been
broken open and they had gone into the room and taken Madeleine," she said.”

As Blacksmith said:

“What must be appreciated, at this point, is that these comments, from closest family and
friends - the first to be contacted, are not Chinese whispers. It is not a case that the McCanns
rang one person, who got the message wrong, and this got passed on to everyone else.
These are four people who received independent telephone calls from Gerry or Kate, in the
hours following the 'abduction', and made independent statements. Yet, the statements all
recount the same story. The McCanns' apartment was locked, so the 'abductor' must have
gained access via the jemmied shutters and left via the front door.”

[Mr Gray]

Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside. Concerning the front door, although he is certain that it was closed, it is unlikely that it was locked, because they left through the back door.

Is this really the best evidence you have to accuse someone of lying, its absolutely patheteic. Spoken by Gerry in English, written down in Portuguese, translated back into English to be read back to Gerry. Gerry confirms something which is read to him in English but written jn Portuguese. No audio or video taping of the statements.
the statements are then unofficially translated back into English. sorry, but to accuse anyone of lying based on this is pathetic.

[Mr Gray]

Vol I  pp. 2-10
In conversation with Gerald McCann it was possible to establish the following:
They had been staying at the OC since 28th April 2007 and they were due to stay there for a week.
From 29-04-2007 he would dine with his wife at a restaurant in the OC whilst their children were a few metres away from the restaurant, in the bedroom.
They would dine at the restaurant with three other couples who were friends of theirs. Yesterday (the day of the events) they got up at 07.30 and had breakfast in the apartment. At about 09.00 they left the apartment and left the children at the creche, this creche was located inside the OC, with employees who would take care of the children until about 12.30.
After lunch, at about 14.30 the children would be dropped off back at the creche and would stay there until about 17.00.
At about 17.30 the parents would bathe the children and give them something to eat and at about 19.30 the three children were put to sleep in one of the bedrooms in the apartment.
At about 20.30 the couple left to have dinner in the restaurant.
At about 21.05 – 21.15 Gerald went to the bedroom to see the children, he saw the bedroom door was half way open which he found strange as he thought he had left it pushed to, however he entered and saw the children and saw that the window as well as the shutter were closed.
At about 21.20, their friend Jane passed by the apartment (along the corridor of the main entrance) she saw an individual carrying a child who passed descending the road, however she did not recognise this individual, nor the child, only having noticed that the individual appeared to be aged between 30 or 40, had dark hair and light coloured trousers.
At about 21.30 their friend Mat entered the apartment by the back door (patio door) he did not enter the bedroom and only saw the twins sleeping, he did not notice anything strange.
At the same place, at about 22.00 Kate discovered the facts and the consequent disappearance of her daughter Madeleine, at this moment the window being wide open as well as the curtains and the shutter.

Just how does this quote confirm the McCanns are lying?

[Albertini]

Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside. Concerning the front door, although he is certain that it was closed, it is unlikely that it was locked, because they left through the back door.

Is this really the best evidence you have to accuse someone of lying, its absolutely patheteic. Spoken by Gerry in English, written down in Portuguese, translated back into English to be read back to Gerry. Gerry confirms something which is read to him in English but written jn Portuguese. No audio or video taping of the statements.
the statements are then unofficially translated back into English. sorry, but to accuse anyone of lying based on this is pathetic.

Well it is to you because you have no clarity of thought.

If it was translated incorrectly Gerry would have said that in his later statement instead of saying "despite what he said previously" he would have said "due to confusion with the translations in his previous statement".

If you make an error in a statement due to translation issues then you state that as the reason for the change so as to not create suspicion.

[Mr Gray]

Well it is to you because you have no clarity of thought.

If it was translated incorrectly Gerry would have said that in his later statement instead of saying "despite what he said previously" he would have said "due to confusion with the translations in his previous statement".

If you make an error in a statement due to translation issues then you state that as the reason for the change so as to not create suspicion.

he says" despite what he said in his previous statements".... what do you understand him to have said in previous statements...were there more than one previous statement.

[Mr Gray]

he says" despite what he said in his previous statements".... what do you understand him to have said in previous statements...were there more than one previous statement.

bit odd seeing that from what I can see there was only ONE previous statement, and I cant see him mentioning the door in his previous statement. Not to worry, probably just an error in translation

[Carana]

Gerry signed the statement translation as a true account of what he'd said.

What translation statement?

He signed a statement in Portuguese.