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Part 1 again ........

Exactly what conclusion have you drawn Nine?

Part 1 encompasses part 2.... I feel there is more to look at again, in relation to what The Police say early on in the Investigation... And with your weather notes and re-reading information, I think I may come to a better understanding of what the Police actually meant about "Longwood lane"....  And there shifting time scale....

The next quote is from DCI Phil Jones .....

And I'm working with a number of Forensic Specialists to determine the timings..

Timings.. relates to more than one event.... (IMO)... So I believe Joanna Yeates was moved not only from her flat , but also a different location... That could possibly be The second location the Police did a search of and was reported on the 14th January 2011......  The Police did search Providence Lane....

Officers have been carrying out detailed searches of the grass verges in nearby Providence Lane in case the killer discarded the sock as he fled the scene.
The rural area is surrounded by woods and is also close to a golf course.
One local, who asked not to be identified said: “There were loads of police going through the undergrowth around Providence Lane with sticks. I have no idea if they found anything useful.”

You also have The Grounds mans description and statement....

The man, who is based at one of the sports clubs bordering Longwood Lane in Failand, where Miss Yeates’s body was dumped, heard a car pull up on the secluded road on one of the nights after she disappeared.

You have this piece from the BBC....

Police have said post-mortem results showed she had been dead for "several days before being discovered"

So was she held somewhere and was alive later than the 17th December 2010... because several days from the 25th December is around the 20th December 2010..... Not 8 days....

Had someone discovered a dead Joanna Yeates earlier??? then she was moved to Longwood Lane... was it something the Sobbing Girl said??

Was Joanna Yeates on "Providence Road First" ?????





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8259799/Joanna-Yeates-murder-detectives-search-village-close-to-where-architects-body-was-found.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8244617/Joanna-Yeates-murder-groundsman-may-have-heard-killer.html

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7613.msg369364;topicseen#msg369364

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-england-bristol-12089150

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It's pieces that are missing Nina.... Possibilities of a body having snow on it from a later date.... Re-reading articles I have read many times before....And this time actually taking in the information that is there .... Seeing what is said and finding out what apparently they left out of these stories... Because ..Avon and somerset Police.. divulged so much Information on this case , before they had even caught a possible suspect.... That's not the sort of thing a Police Force normally does in a "Murder Inquiry"...

And yes... there is NO Need for Dr Vincent Tabak or any stranger to have moved Joanna yeates body from her Flat... risking leaving more evidence behind..... I have always said statistically a stranger would walk a victim to the site of where a body is found.... And not move them after.... There is no benefit for a stranger to move a body... When the time could be used to wipe down a 'Crime Scene"...

Only someone needing to distance themselves from Joanna Yeates.. would feel the need to move her body..... (IMO).... And that would have to be someone she knew .... (IMO)..

Well you know from my post that there was heavy snow on the 20/12, everyone goes on about the snow in the early hours of 18/12 but the 20th is hardly mentioned. So we know that if Joanna was `dumped' in L/Lane late on the night of the 17th, she would have been heavily snowed upon in the early hours of the 18/12.

There was heavy snow on the Monday 20/12 .... proof from my post and Mrs Brewer? Was she on horseback at the time? Just she would have seen more up there than on legs or in a car. Anyway in the day & night between 18th and 20th Joanna would have been frozen and had slush from the road and drifting snow, depending on which way the wind was blowing. So Joanna was well and truly covered, poor lass.

PS - we `don't know for sure' Joanna was dumped on 17/12 ..... just anticipating your reply!

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Well you know from my post that there was heavy snow on the 20/12, everyone goes on about the snow in the early hours of 18/12 but the 20th is hardly mentioned. So we know that if Joanna was `dumped' in L/Lane late on the night of the 17th, she would have been heavily snowed upon in the early hours of the 18/12.

There was heavy snow on the Monday 20/12 .... proof from my post and Mrs Brewer? Was she on horseback at the time? Just she would have seen more up there than on legs or in a car. Anyway in the day & night between 18th and 20th Joanna would have been frozen and had slush from the road and drifting snow, depending on which way the wind was blowing. So Joanna was well and truly covered, poor lass.

PS - we `don't know for sure' Joanna was dumped on 17/12 ..... just anticipating your reply!

She could have been dumped on the 17th December 2010... Just not on Longwood lane on that date..... she could have been held captive..(IMO)....

Soil and pollen tests are also expected to be carried out within the next 48
hours.

Now that makes sense to me now.... If Joanna Yeates had been on Providence Lane before being placed on Longwood lane, then Pollen Samples would be imperative to prove that she had shifted from one location to another.... And I would think that there could and would be different vegetation on Providence Lane and surrounding woodland...than Longwood Lane....


Lets face it... These 'Pollen Samples" were never used to pin point Dr Vincent Tabak having moved her from Canygne Road to Longwood Lane.... Also if she was moved from Canygne Road and samples from there could have come from any suspect....

So I believe the Pollen Samples have to be important to prove that she had shifted location..... And maybe the other location is Providence lane (IMO)....!!

It's what is between the layers of snow that is important Nina.... Proving she had been moved more than once... also proving she was put on Longwood Lane on another date...(IMO)...

We know that there were leaves about Joanna Yeates.... but where the leaves from the trees in Longwood lane.... Or were the leaves from the  trees of the woods near Providence Lane...

It was never established the variety of tree that these leaves had come from in court!!!!


I have attached an image of the trees just OFF Providence Lane ...  any othe the vegetation from there may have been upon Joanna yeates, warranting the need for Pollen Samples ....(IMO)...


https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/300493/jo-crucial-clue-found/

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She could have been dumped on the 17th December 2010... Just not on Longwood lane on that date.....(IMO)....

Now that makes sense to me now.... If Joanna Yeates had been on Providence Lane before being placed on Longwood lane, then Pollen Samples would be imperative to prove that she had shifted from one location to another.... And I would think that there could and would be different vegetation on Providence Lane and surrounding woodland...than Longwood Lane....


Lets face it... These 'Pollen Samples" were never used to pin point Dr Vincent Tabak having moved her from Canygne Road to Longwood Lane.... Also if she was moved from Canygne Road and samples from there could have come from any suspect....

So I believe the Pollen Samples have to be important to prove that she had shifted location..... And maybe the other location is Providence lane (IMO)....!!

It's what is between the layers of snow that is important Nina.... Proving she had been moved more than once... also proving she was put on Longwood Lane on another date...(IMO)...

We know that there were leaves about Joanna Yeates.... but where the leaves from the trees in Longwood lane.... Or were the leaves from the  trees of the woods near Providence Lane...

It was never established the variety of tree that these leaves had come from in court!!!!


I have attached an image of the trees just OFF Providence Lane ...  any othe the vegetation from there may have been upon Joanna yeates, warranting the need for Pollen Samples ....(IMO)...


https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/300493/jo-crucial-clue-found/

But what difference would it make whether Joanna was dumped in P/Lane or L/Lane?

What difference would it make to your case that VT is innocent.

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But what difference would it make whether Joanna was dumped in P/Lane or L/Lane?

What difference would it make to your case that VT is innocent.

That is stating the Obvious Nina.... Dr Vincent Tabak is charged with Killing Joanna Yeates between 16th December 2010 and 19th December 2010... He claims in court with that version of events that he dumped her on Longwood Lane .... on Friday 17th December 2010

With the rest of the time Dr Vincent Tabak was either with someone or was away from Bristol , he couldn't possibly have moved Joanna Yeates body from "Providence Lane to Longwood Lane"...

The Prosecutions case is that she was dumped on Longwood Lane by Dr Vincent Tabak on that date...

Defence Counsel: Did you know Longwood Lane at all?
Tabak: No.

  So he doesn't know it at all... But ....


Great store was made of his Longwood Lane related search...

At Line 257 of the prosecution Chart
Tabak searched on Google Maps for
‘Longwood Lane’

This is before or around the 21st December 2010 which is a Tuesday... Dr Vincent Tabak could have been working... or not...

If Joanna Yeates has been moved from Providence Lane to Longwood Lane...  For Dr Vincent Tabak to be involved he would need to know that... He would need to be able to add that information to his version of events to prove that he indeed was involved with The Murder of Joanna Yeates ....Proving that a piece of evidence no one other than the killer knew, therefore proving the ridiculous statement as true... (IMO)...

But the search could be one of two things....

The time the Police knew that Joanna Yeates had been moved.... I have always said that I do not believe these searches belong to Dr Vincent Tabak....

Or for people who believe the searches were his ... as has been said before he was checking the area for a party he was attending...

There is too much information "Missing" from Dr Vincent Tabak's version of events to make it true.....(IMO)...

If she is dumped on Longwood Lane around the 20th December 2010 when it was snowing... Dr Vincent Tabak could not have possibly done this.... I'm sure the Police would have checked his car boot before this date , as they were searching anything and everything to do with that Building.... And on that date he was always with his girlfriend...

If Tanja Morson was The Sobbing Girl... I am sure the Prosecution would have had her at trial quick sharp!!!!.....(IMO)..

If the Sobbing Girl is The witness I believe she could be.... and Joanna Yeates body was moved from another location other than Canygne Road... Then Dr Vincent Tabak could not have killed her as they said that he did..... (IMO)...

And it is someone else who is responsible for the murder of Joanna Yeates ....!! (IMO)...


http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

[nina]

Sorry, I have become a temp. babysitter for next door's little boy, adorable little terror!!

I shall digest your last post Nine and reply later.

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Again a suggestion of the importance of Providence Lane.....

If the killer did approach Longwood Lane via Providence Lane, it would suggest he or she travelled via Brunel Way on Bristol’s Cumberland Basin, which has no cameras.

If Dr Vincent Tabak went from Bedminster to Providence lane ..... and then to Longwood lane it wouldn't make sense... He could have found somewhere more appropriate to hide a body on "Providence Lane"

And would have being driving all around the houses to godown Providence Lane to Longwood lane from ASDA in Bedminster....

I have attached a map of the direct route from Asda in Bedminster to Longwood Lane .....  It passes the top of "Providence Lane ... But what it does reveal.....  Is why the route to Bristol Airport is mentioned....

Defence Counsel: When you left where did you drive then?
Tabak: I drove away from home; I drove in the direction of the airport; and ended up in
Longwood lane.

If he took the route of the A38 to the airport then turned right onto the A3029, then turn left on the B3128, taking a left on Long Ashton Road and then turning onto Providence Lane.... Which leads to Longwood Lane...

But someone had to know about "Providence Lane" to say that Dr Vincent Tabak was driving aimlessly about on his way to the airport, and Joanna Yeates had to have been in that vicinity ....(IMO)... And for "Providence Lane to have even been searched.... (IMO)...

Is Dr Vincent Tabak really going to to the journey that I have written in Bold!! I do not believe so... But.... PROVIDENCE LANE.... Is the Important Lane I believe ....!! And it is 'Off Longwood Lane".... !!!!





http://swns.com/news/jo-yeates-murder-police-search-grass-verges-near-longwood-lane-13584/

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

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And this is the "Brunel Way on Bristol’s Cumberland Basin,"......

I have attached an image of a map from Asda in Bedminster to... Brunel Way on Bristol’s Cumberland Basin,

Don't think that is likely either..... (IMO)... !!!!

Why wasn't this evidence brought to court ????

And if this route was taken... surely there must have been CCTV camera's about??

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Why indeed? Until you joined the fray, I had never asked myself who this "obscure" Acting Chief Constable Rod Hansen really was:

https://www.gloucestershire.police.uk/more-on-us/about-us/chief-officer-group/

Note that both he Jon Stratford, and Julian Moss have moved to the Gloucestershire force, and the latter is claiming credit for "critical incidents such as the murder of Joanna Yates" (sic). The words "hostage" and "army" ring bells. Julian Moss was the Chief Superintendant who confirmed that the police were going to prosecute Vincent Tabak for possessing images of child abuse.

Yes I did know that they moved to Gloucester Force....  And a lot of them either moved.... retired or took a job of a lower standard....

What does that say about The Joanna Yeates Case ...!!

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An unusual approach to interviewing witness's...

It is understood that police have interviewed around 20 young professionals by phone who attended the party.

So how many witness's did the police just RING?????

A spokesman for Avon and Somerset police confirmed that detectives had interviewed a young woman who heard screams while at a party.

This must be Zoe Lehman....  Did they ring her also.... Is that how they interviewed potential witness's????


Why are the Police not having these interviews in person??????

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8230979/Joanna-Yeates-murder-screams-heard-the-night-architect-went-missing.html

The article is dated 30th December 2010......

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An unusual approach to interviewing witness's...

So how many witness's did the police just RING?????

This must be Zoe Lehman....  Did they ring her also.... Is that how they interviewed potential witness's????

Why are the Police not having these interviews in person??????

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8230979/Joanna-Yeates-murder-screams-heard-the-night-architect-went-missing.html

The article is dated 30th December 2010......

The person was NOT Zoe Lehman, who had not even reach No. 53 at the time when she herself heard screams.

"The claims were made by a young woman attending a party held opposite Miss Yeates's flat in Clifton, Bristol.
As she stepped outside for a cigarette just after 9pm on December 17 she heard two screams, the Daily Mail reported."

NONE of the known witnesses said anything in their statements/in court about stepping outside for a cigarette. The claim about screams came from the unnamed cigarette woman, who, like the crying woman, was never heard of again. I don't believe she existed. I believe someone from inside the investigation, who knew that the party had been taking place, decided to interview the participants, telling them that someone else at the party had heard screams, and asking them if they had heard screams or recalled the allegation.

It wouldn't surprise me if the cigarette woman was an accomplice of the perpetrator.

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I'm going to write word for word what was said on on of the posters when looking for Joanna Yeates.... The time scale changes on a regular basis.... This Has DCI Phil Jones name on the bottom of the poster and Avon and Somerset Constabulary logo....

Operation Braid

At about 8pm on Friday the 17th December  2010, Joanna YEATES, a 25 year old female,  left the Tesco's store in Clifton and it is believed that she made her way home to Canygne Road. Joanna's body was subsequently discovered at 9am Christmas Day at Longwood Lane, Failand.
Joanna was last seen wearing a white / cream coloured ski- jacket and was carrying both a rucksack and a carrier bag. Joanna is pictured below.



If you saw Joanna on foot or in a vehicle, or you have any information that you may think might be relevant to the investigation. Please telephone the incident room on 01179 454085 or on Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111 or 0845 4567000.

Detective Chief Inspector  Phil Jones


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Now 2 very noticeable things with that poster is that 'Joanna Yeates " left 'Tesco's ' at 8:00pm according to the "Official Looking Police Poster"...

And the other being whether Joanna Yeates was seen in a vehicle.....  Now I never knew they had asked for that information before ...

Maybe that CCTV footage that DS Mark Saunders saw of Canygne Road, doesn't have Joanna yeates upon it at all....


But 8:00pm??? why the constant shifting timelines ?????  Makes me wonder about her reply to a male friend in a text....

She then texted Peter: “Where are you?”
Peter replied “On my way to a wedding. Where are you?”
She replied: “At home- on my todd”.

How long was Joanna Yeates at home for ??????

Another puzzler for me.... when we eventually get a description of something she is wearing they cannot accuratley describe it's colour....

white/cream isn't an accurate description..... It is either White or it is Cream...  Did they really have this coat at her flat??

Seems a little odd for a description.... And this is the first time I have ever seen any description about what Joanna Yeates was wearing in a Poster ....  So what about the watch??? And Trousers ????


Let me look at that description again...... 

Joanna was last seen wearing a white / cream coloured ski- jacket

So that tells me that they didn't have the coat at her flat.... What is the point of describing something that she apparently was last seen wearing, if people are not looking out for a ski- jacket.... What if someone had found a discarded ski- Jacket in a remote place.... When did they decide to remove the description from the Joanna Yeates posters ?

What Coat "HAD" Joanna Yeates left at home .... because I am begining to wonder if it is The Ski- Jacket!!!!

The Police have always said... Her purse, and keys were left at the flat.... then we get "The Coat."... 

Is it a case of what we always do... presume that the... "Coat at the Flat is the one in The images" when in fact the "Police describes this outer garment as a Ski- Jacket... Did she have The Ski-Jacket on when she was found ??? Was there a Ski- Jacket in the vicinity???

Was that item what the Police were looking for in bushes on Longwood Lane ..Providence Lane ,.. and Canygne Road.... Because when you see the video's of the Police searching the bushes... They quickly go through them... Is it because they are looking for The Ski -Jacket????

OMG... whilst looking for the Bushes video... I found something else....


http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

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Well this image has to say it all......  I knew I'd seen the Forensic Officers at the bay window on the ground Floor Level of Canygne Road....

You have 2 questions here..... Why are they Forensically testing what is supposed to be Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat on 24/25th December 2010... when he was just simply a neigbour at this time.... But to me I don't think that it it Dr vincent Tabak's Flat... I do not think Dr Vincent Tabak lived on the Ground floor.... I think Flat 1 Was vacant or adjoined the other basement/ground floor flat....

And the reason's I say are two fold...

The Forensic Officers would not be testing the outside of the Bay Window for any Forensics.. even if it was Dr Vincent Tabak's and even if it was after they arrested him... (which it is not)... because Dr vincent Tabak didn't exit his house via a Bay Window .....

Now I'm going to put the image together with the original video clip i showed everyone of the back of Canygne Road... And I am almost positive that Joanna Yeates had the ground Floor and Dr Vincent Tabak lived in the main house ....


A description from The Video clip on The Getty site...

Missing woman Joanna Yeates: police find body;

Missing woman Joanna Yeates: police find body
24.12.2010 Bristol: Clifton: Police forensic investigators (wearing protective suits) searching windows of flat where Joanna Yeates lived

Notice the date.... 24th December  2010... This is December ... Now why are 'Forensic Officers " anywhere near the Flat that they claimed Dr Vincent Tabak lived.. ??? He wasn't a suspect until 31st December 2010 when the infamous Holland interview took place...  Dr Vincent Tabak is away at this time in Cambridge...

So... did they start collect forensics against Dr Vincent Tabak befre time.... OR... Did Joanna Yeates Live in that Flat???? 


Is that why we have this video.... http://www.gettyimages.ca/license/656385638 of the back of Canygne Road... It was where Joanna Yeates lived??? And because The Intercom Plate only said Flat 1.. maybe that was why they removed it????


here is the clip I got the Bay window image from.... it's at 1 second....!!!

Also from the description....

Back view forensic officer taking evidence from window

What were they taking from the window ????? And why were they there ????

Just watched the clip again... It looks like they are sweeping something from the window bottom??

EDIT... I just want to add this.....  Maybe it was a communal Flat.... ????

Another neighbour, Liz Lowman, said: ‘He said he saw two to three people leave the communal basement flat entrance talking in mild quiet tones.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342427/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-hold-key.html#ixzz4qUjPWDCB

If Dr Vincent Tabak didn't live in the ground floor flat.... how could he carry Joanna Yeates to his flat without being seen... up the stairs of the Main House??????

This gets weirder.... I didn't think it possible !!!!!


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This is news to me .... "Bristol Post... 20th August 2017.... !!!!

It was his call implicating Mr Jefferies that was among the reasons why police arrested the schoolmaster in the first place – he called from Holland to tell them he thought his landlord had moved his car that night.

Why have they started again telling untruths this late in the day ???? The article is dated ... 20th August 2017 !!!

They had arrested CJ before Dr Vincent Tabak made the phone call....  What is going on here ????

That Sunday night, and on the Monday and Tuesday, police began investigating, and Jo’s friends swung into action with social media appeals at first.

Well Greg didn't ring them until the Monday Morning..... Why is the Bristol Post having a Dr Vincent Tabak day ?????

Why are The Bristol Post telling an untruth about Holland and Dr Vincent Tabak's phone call being one of the reasons CJ was arrested ???!!!


CJ was arrested on the 30th December 2010.... according to DCI Phil Jones ,Dr Vincent Tabak had seen CJ's arrest on TV whilst he was in Holland and that was what apparently prompted the phone call... There is no evidence provided in court to prove whether it was actually Dr Vincent Tabak who made the phone call or Tanja Morson!!!


Edit.... Just incase The Bristol Post is reading..... read the whole subject matter.... Then you tell me whether Dr Vincent Tabak was illegally questioned in Holland on the 31st December 2010... Because as sure as  eggs is eggs DC Karen Thomas should have cautioned Dr Vincent Tabak in Holland..... In her 6 hour interview... They questioned him as a suspect.... (IMO)...

Ask Ann Reddrop.... she'd planned Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest since late December 2010.... Well... what date was that exactly Ann!!!!!!

Start doing some journalistic work and look at "Bob The Builder"... And ask yourself why he "Contaminates The Crime scene"... Then ask yourself... why on gods earth the Police employed "Bob The Builder " in the first place... when "Forensic Officers were needed to follow protocol and keep a 'Crime Scene" UNCONTAMINATED!!


http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/crimes-shook-bristol-jo-yeates-349034


AH... Has The Tree been shook ???

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I think i have discovered what I believed was the metal object near to the entrance of The woods on Longwood Lane...

I believe it is Police Tape... But..... The Police Tape that goes across the road is tide to the Lamp Post/ Wood Pole... And The Police Tape that is on two levels appears to go into the wood....  If I am not mistaken...

Where The Police looking at a Scene in The wood?? We have Pictures of a forensic tent right next to the wood ....

Another thing I noticed.. Was that there is a lot of debris in the road and it isn't leaf matter ?? What is it???








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