The Defence Will State Their Case

[jixy]

I never mentioned adult porn. I dont find it as easy as other posters on here to discuss child porn or dismiss it either. So yes obviously he was convicted of looking at pictures of innocent suffering children as we know

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DOODSLAG... The one Dutch word, The one Dutch word on it's own when Translated by Google translator, give us "Manslaughter..."

I was trying to understand how that one word stood out on it's own... And why when it is mentioned in trial, it just states that he searched "DOODSLAG"

 http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

At Line 271 of the prosecution chart
Tabak searched the Dutch word
‘doodslag’ (English meaning: ‘manslaughter’)

This came from the Sally Ramage papers..

Now I asked the Dutch in-law another question about the word "Doodslag" and he said it meant Manslaughter...

I also  asked if for instance you were to add "XXX" DOODSLAG or DOODSLAG "XXX" /  Or even without the XXX
what it would translate as, and his response was, including I believe a text error....
I would neef more (con) text

Now I am trying as I am writing to understand whether an error had been made other than the neef error, and had (con)text, just appeared on his phone and he meant to write it that way, or whether or not he meant to write it as a single word "Context"??


But for the moment I'll go back to DOODSLAG.... It may have had emoji's of XXX along side it, It may have been meant to mean something else.... Unless we know the context of this apparent word of apparent guilt, how do we know what was meant??

I'll give an example, which, isn't nice, so I'll pre-warn...

Someone answering a text, may use the term... "What an abortion"

Has nothing to do with someone having an abortion, it's a turn of phrase... We may or may not choose to use such a turn of phrase ourselves, but none the less it is used as a turn of phrase....

So what did the word "DOODSLAG" actually mean?? What context was it in??

Was it accompanied by emoji's that google cannot translate?

`The point again being, in which context did Dr Vincent Tabak look for the word DOODSLAG  on his computer??

The word itself may appear incriminating... But it's only incriminating , if we assume the context and do not understand what the real context may have been..

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Now I am trying as I am writing to understand whether an error had been made other than the neef error, and had (con)text, just appeared on his phone and he meant to write it that way, or whether or not he meant to write it as a single word "Context"??

I have asked whether or not (con) text was meant, or was it an error, and the reply I have received was that he "meant to write it that way... So (Con) Text it is then, although, I would have expected it to be context...

I am now waiting on a reply as to the reason why he would write it that way..

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I've had another idea, that has come to mind...

At this point Tabak made a huge mistake. Spotting a chance to frame Jefferies, he contacted Avon and Somerset police and suggested the landlord had been out and about in his car on the night of Yeates's death. The murder team sent DC Karen Thomas to Amsterdam and on New Year's Eve she spoke to Tabak at a hotel near Schiphol airport for six hours.

Now sometimes we are told it was at The Airport" and others we are told it was at the hotel...

Now I want to go back to that text...

Missing you loads, I'm Bored, VXXX

What evidence have we got that Tanja accompanied Dr Vincent Tabak to this interview?? ( She could have and be sat waiting somewhere else)

What evidence have we got of where this interview took place.??

Now lets say the interview was indeed at a hotel, I'm suggesting it could very possibly be "V" hotel..

Hi there! There are a few ways to get to us, but the most convenient is of course as someone else wrote here, a taxi for roughly 40 euro. However, the Schiphol Connexxion Shuttle bus also drops you off directly at the hotel for 17 euro for 1 way, or 27 euro return. (Google: Connexxion airport hotel shuttle)

So it depends on if you are travelling alone or with others.

The other alternative is to take a train from the basement of the airport to Central Station, and then take tram 4 to the stop 'Frederiksplein'. We are very close to the tram stop (1 minute, just cross the street). In total the tickets for this cost roughly 6 euro. So it is cheaper, but it takes a bit longer (maybe 40 minutes in total).

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/FAQ_Answers-g188590-d967157-t3030074-How_would_you_recommend_getting_from_the_airport.html

There a way to get to "V" hotel from the airpot at Schiphol .... So How do we know for a fact that the interview of Dr Vincent tabak was actually at the airport and not at "V" Hotel?? DC Karen Thomas had a colleague with her at the time.... That colleague has never been identified, was that Colleague a "profiler"??

So if we do not have a proper dated and timestamped anything, in this case, i want to go back to the text...

Missing you loads, I'm Bored, VXXX

Is that Dr Vincent Tabak telling Tanja that he's at the hotel "V"??

Did he write it because he was being interviewed on apparent friendly terms and was telling her how bored he was??

Is the text anything to do with being at the Hotel V... at a time he may have been interviewed??

Nothing appears to have been checked out or cross referenced in this case... An apparent confession to guilt of this crime is all it has taken, an apparent plea of Guilt to Manslaughter and a story on the stand, that anyone following this case could have concocted...

Seeing as the text were used at this trial, their context is important... The correct date and time is important...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg527428#msg527428

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I keep saying i do not have the ability to change this..  I do not have the law knowledge or contacts... But I can counteract, what has been stated and what has not been questioned.

And ask why is everyone happy with what was stated on the stand?

Why is everyone happy with the way this case stands??

I've given numerous examples of different possibilities, now if someone as stupid as me can see the wood for the trees, then those with the education and law knowledge must also be able to see ..... Yet I do not understand why nothing is done...

Hang on a minute... I can hear hooves....  Think it's that Zebra passing me by....!!

[Caroline]

I keep saying i do not have the ability to change this..  I do not have the law knowledge or contacts... But I can counteract, what has been stated and what has not been questioned.

And ask why is everyone happy with what was stated on the stand?

Why is everyone happy with the way this case stands??

I've given numerous examples of different possibilities, now if someone as stupid as me can see the wood for the trees, then those with the education and law knowledge must also be able to see ..... Yet I do not understand why nothing is done...

Hang on a minute... I can hear hooves....  Think it's that Zebra passing me by....!!

No, its the bullshit pony!

I'll ask again (given that you have deliberately ignored it). What are your feelings and thought as to the CONTENT of Tabak's porn searches?

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And one more Americanism...

Hookers was used as a term of reference for Dr Vincent Tabak apparently using prostitutes when he was in America...

In he UK we know the term Hooker refers to a position in the sport Rugby..

Rugby hooker
A rugby hooker is a specialist 'forward' position, playing a vital role in scrums and lineouts. Strong build and tough? This may be your position.

Hookers
You are one of the eight forwards in a team.

3 of these are the 'front row' forwards in the scrum

one of those is the hooker

with a prop on either side.

https://www.rugbyhow.com/rugby-hooker.html

So were did that word spring from??

I'm asking my Dutch person, see what he says about it, he's probably busy at work..

[Caroline]

And one more Americanism...

Hookers was used as a term of reference for Dr Vincent Tabak apparently using prostitutes when he was in America...

In he UK we know the term Hooker refers to a position in the sport Rugby..

https://www.rugbyhow.com/rugby-hooker.html

So were did that word spring from??

I'm asking my Dutch person, see what he says about it, he's probably busy at work..

There is a clue in the question, he was IN AMERICA.

So, what do you think of the content of Tabak's porn searches?

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No, its the bullshit pony!

I'll ask again (given that you have deliberately ignored it). What are your feelings and thought as to the CONTENT of Tabak's porn searches?

Why should I have feelings about it?? If for a fact I do not know whether or not this was what had taken place...

If people choose to watch porn , that is there business, I'm not a fan, but this is about whether he Murdered someone or not... Not his taste in viewing material...

I'm sure on a jury there would be a percentage of jurors, that viewed porn either regularly or sometime in their life...

The viewing of porn has to be relevant, and as it wasn't part of the trial, how was it relevant?

We are told in the media later about this activity, but if it was not part of the evidence, then it was NOT relevant..

Is that the point, everyone is expecting a certain reaction about, certain things? The crazier the idea the better...

If you poison peoples minds about someone, they won't look logically at it... They will be like sheep and herd together..

When I last looked in the mirror, I didn't look like a sheep...

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There is a clue in the question, he was IN AMERICA.

So, what do you think of the content of Tabak's porn searches?

Yes.... And...?? 

Be more specific

It's like a guessing game this....

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No, its the bullshit pony!

Are you sure about that Caroline... Maybe it was a Unicorn!! Or maybe your correct and this is a one trick bullshit pony!

[jixy]

Why should I have feelings about it?? If for a fact I do not know whether or not this was what had taken place...

If people choose to watch porn , that is there business, I'm not a fan, but this is about whether he Murdered someone or not... Not his taste in viewing material...

I'm sure on a jury there would be a percentage of jurors, that viewed porn either regularly or sometime in their life...

The viewing of porn has to be relevant, and as it wasn't part of the trial, how was it relevant?

We are told in the media later about this activity, but if it was not part of the evidence, then it was NOT relevant..

Is that the point, everyone is expecting a certain reaction about, certain things? The crazier the idea the better...

If you poison peoples minds about someone, they won't look logically at it... They will be like sheep and herd together..

When I last looked in the mirror, I didn't look like a sheep...

Once again you dismiss the porn . Wasnt any old porn though was it? Earlier you pretended you didnt know why it wasnt included in the trial. Now you can dismiss it as not being important because it wasnt included.

It is a huge clue to what kind of man Tabak was. Takes a different kind of disgusting human being to get a thrill out of watching or looking at real children being abused doesnt it

Doesnt quite fit with your image of Mr Placid Mr Wonderful and the rest

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Mr Placid Mr Wonderful and the rest

Oh Jixy at last, you can see him as a Placid Dutchman... You've even gone as far as telling me you think he is wonderful.... 

[jixy]

Oh Jixy at last, you can see him as a Placid Dutchman... You've even gone as far as telling me you think he is wonderful.... 

If you want to appear as clever (which you dont) one tip for you. Read what is written not what you want to be written

The key word being YOUR!

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If you want to appear as clever (which you dont) one tip for you. Read what is written not what you want to be written

The key word being YOUR!

  I'm not trying to appear as clever, I have admitted my failings... And "YOUR" is relevant how??

He doesn't belong to me, he is not related to me, I do not know him, i have never met him.... We have been through all this..

And keywords are used in google searches, but I do not search google like most people do....

I write exactly what I am looking for, it might be as long a a page in a book, just to make sure I find what I am looking for...

That why when I was on the treo forum, I could find things others failed to find, they used key words and I asked for exactly what I was looking for...

Nine times out of ten, if I used a singular word in google, it's because my spelling is crappola... and i'm just checking it...