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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Admin on May 03, 2013, 10:30:59 AM

Title: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Admin on May 03, 2013, 10:30:59 AM
Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: icabodcrane on June 01, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
The most recent authoritative information we have is from Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell  ( formerly in charge of the case ) 

He said,  with regard to Madeleine being still alive :

"it is a possibility ...  it cannot be excluded"

Not quite the same thing as thinking she is alive,  as you suggested
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 01, 2013, 07:42:29 PM
The most recent authoritative information we have is from Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell  ( formerly in charge of the case ) 

He said,  with regard to Madeleine being still alive :

"it is a possibility ...  it cannot be excluded"

Not quite the same thing as thinking she is alive,  as you suggested
Did they say she was dead?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: icabodcrane on June 01, 2013, 07:50:20 PM
Did they say she was dead?

Hamish Campbell said that Madeleine being alive is a 'possibility' that cannot be excluded

He did not say that Scotland Yard think she is alive
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 01, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
I'll ask you again.

Did Hamish Campbell say she (Madeleine McCann) is dead?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: icabodcrane on June 01, 2013, 07:59:58 PM
I'll ask you again.

Did Hamish Campbell say she (Madeleine McCann) is dead?

No,  he didn't say that Scotland Yard think she is dead  (  I never suggested he  did )

You,  however,  said  Scotland Yard appear to think she is alive  ...  that is not correct

You might, more properly, have said,  Scotland Yard  appear to think Madeleine  may  still be alive

 
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: gilet on June 01, 2013, 08:02:27 PM

Oh, I gedit.  Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward.  Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere.  And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.
Not only that, but that they should be searching in Portugal; digging up others backyards and knocking on doors, handing out posters and travelling to Spain and nearby countries to do the same. Sounds to me, all they really want is for the McCann's to leave the UK and be arrested for unlawful searches elsewhere.   

Why do you insist on posting such total tosh, are you threatened by the suggestion that the McCann clan should get out to Portugal and look for their child??

It isn't a case of searching property or digging up anything but that comment in itself is very revealing.  Is she dead?


She could be dead however Scotland Yard appear to think she is alive.

The most recent authorative information we have is from Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell  ( formerly in charge of the case ) 

He said,  with regard to Madeleine being still alive :

"it is a possibility ...  it cannot be excluded"

Not quite the same thing as thinking she is alive,  as you suggested

It is always very revealing when people seem unable to bring themselves to admit that this is a child who very well may be alive because there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever which proves otherwise.

I find it quite sickening that people prefer to presume death rather than hope for life. But that is just my opinion.

Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Redblossom on June 01, 2013, 08:03:46 PM
SY have said they are putting as many resources into investigating both theories, alive or  dead and said there is a possibility she is alive, how could they not, without proof, but have never said she  is probably alive, there is no probably here unfortunately

I have yet to come across any case of  stolen 3 yr old by strangers though benevolent people  out of their house let alone returned years later
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 01, 2013, 08:05:10 PM
I'll ask you again.

Did Hamish Campbell say she (Madeleine McCann) is dead?

No,  he didn't say that Scotland Yard think she is dead  (  I never suggested he  did )

You,  however,  said  Scotland Yard appear to think she is alive  ...  that is not correct

You might, more properly, have said,  Scotland Yard  appear to think Madeleine  may  still be alive
Fair enough, include the 'may' in my statement. In my opinion all the work done by SC indicates to me they are looking for a living missing child. The mentions of victims being found alive years later in press statements is an example. 


Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: sadie on June 01, 2013, 08:06:08 PM
SY have said they are putting as many resources into investigating both theories, alive or  dead

And so they should.

But that is NOT saying that they think she is dead.  In fact they seem to believe she is alive
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Redblossom on June 01, 2013, 08:15:12 PM
SY have said they are putting as many resources into investigating both theories, alive or  dead

And so they should.

But that is NOT saying that they think she is dead.  In fact they seem to believe she is alive

Never said they did, do keep up, just saying its POSSIBLE, not saying much actually in reality
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: icabodcrane on June 01, 2013, 08:27:50 PM
I'll ask you again.

Did Hamish Campbell say she (Madeleine McCann) is dead?

No,  he didn't say that Scotland Yard think she is dead  (  I never suggested he  did )

You,  however,  said  Scotland Yard appear to think she is alive  ...  that is not correct

You might, more properly, have said,  Scotland Yard  appear to think Madeleine  may  still be alive
Fair enough, include the 'may' in my statement. In my opinion all the work done by SC indicates to me they are looking for a living missing child. The mentions of victims being found alive years later in press statements is an example.

'Looking for'  Madeleine  ( alive or otherwise )  is not the Yard's remit

Hamish Campbell immediately follows his statement that the possibility of Madeleine still being alive cannot be excluded, with the proviso :  "But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened" 

They are not looking for a live Madeleine,  they are trying to discern what happened to her 
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Carana on June 01, 2013, 08:31:55 PM

Gerry McCann was warned that emphasizing Madeleine's coloboma could put her life at risk  ...  he even acknowledged himself that they knew there was a risk, and that the abductor  "might do something to her eye " 


Warned by whom? Even the PJ website points out distinguishing features - how else are you supposed to recognise someone? All any abductor had to do was to dye her hair and get her to wear sunglasses. Problem solved.


Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 01, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
I'll ask you again.

Did Hamish Campbell say she (Madeleine McCann) is dead?

No,  he didn't say that Scotland Yard think she is dead  (  I never suggested he  did )

You,  however,  said  Scotland Yard appear to think she is alive  ...  that is not correct

You might, more properly, have said,  Scotland Yard  appear to think Madeleine  may  still be alive
Fair enough, include the 'may' in my statement. In my opinion all the work done by SC indicates to me they are looking for a living missing child. The mentions of victims being found alive years later in press statements is an example.

'Looking for'  Madeleine  ( alive or otherwise )  is not the Yard's remit

Hamish Campbell immediately follows his statement that the possibility of Madeleine still being alive cannot be excluded, with the proviso :  "But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened" 

They are not looking for a live Madeleine,  they are trying to discern what happened to her
"He reiterated a claim that Madeleine could still be alive. He said: ‘You only have to look at the case in Cleveland, Ohio, and the European cases. Of course there is a possibility she is alive." - Hamish Campbell


Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: DCI on June 01, 2013, 08:35:09 PM
I'll ask you again.

Did Hamish Campbell say she (Madeleine McCann) is dead?

No,  he didn't say that Scotland Yard think she is dead  (  I never suggested he  did )

You,  however,  said  Scotland Yard appear to think she is alive  ...  that is not correct

You might, more properly, have said,  Scotland Yard  appear to think Madeleine  may  still be alive
Fair enough, include the 'may' in my statement. In my opinion all the work done by SC indicates to me they are looking for a living missing child. The mentions of victims being found alive years later in press statements is an example.

'Looking for'  Madeleine  ( alive or otherwise )  is not the Yard's remit

Hamish Campbell immediately follows his statement that the possibility of Madeleine still being alive cannot be excluded, with the proviso :  "But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened" 

They are not looking for a live Madeleine,  they are trying to discern what happened to her

 @)(++(* @)(++(*

OMG, do you actually read what you cut and paste, icabodcrane?

 "But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened" 
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: gilet on June 01, 2013, 08:38:16 PM
SY have said they are putting as many resources into investigating both theories, alive or  dead and said there is a possibility she is alive, how could they not, without proof, but have never said she  is probably alive, there is no probably here unfortunately

I have yet to come across any case of  stolen 3 yr old by strangers though benevolent people  out of their house let alone returned years later

Which is why I do what I believe all caring people should do, that is hope that she is alive and promote a search for her with that as one of the possibilities.

It is a shame that people like Amaral with his book and Hideho with her trash videos of lies and libel wish to promote their certainty of her death. A sad indictment on them in my opinion.

Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 01, 2013, 08:39:52 PM
Here is the full quote: "He re-iterated a claim that Madeleine could still be alive. He said: “You only have to look at the case in Cleveland, Ohio, and the European cases. Of course, there is a possibility she is alive, you cannot exclude it. But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened.” - DCS Campbell
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: gilet on June 01, 2013, 08:41:59 PM
Here is the full quote: "He re-iterated a claim that Madeleine could still be alive. He said: “You only have to look at the case in Cleveland, Ohio, and the European cases. Of course, there is a possibility she is alive, you cannot exclude it. But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened.” - DCS Campbell

And yet Hideho with her videos full of libellous lies and Amaral with his book continue to promote the certainty of her death. What a sad indictment on them and their deluded followers.
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: DCI on June 01, 2013, 08:43:08 PM
SY have said they are putting as many resources into investigating both theories, alive or  dead and said there is a possibility she is alive, how could they not, without proof, but have never said she  is probably alive, there is no probably here unfortunately

I have yet to come across any case of  stolen 3 yr old by strangers though benevolent people  out of their house let alone returned years later

Which is why I do what I believe all caring people should do, that is hope that she is alive and promote a search for her with that as one of the possibilities.

It is a shame that people like Amaral with his book and Hideho with her trash videos of lies and libel wish to promote their certainty of her death. A sad indictment on them in my opinion.

You know the old saying, Gilet. "What goes around, comes around"  ?>)()<
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: gilet on June 01, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
SY have said they are putting as many resources into investigating both theories, alive or  dead and said there is a possibility she is alive, how could they not, without proof, but have never said she  is probably alive, there is no probably here unfortunately

I have yet to come across any case of  stolen 3 yr old by strangers though benevolent people  out of their house let alone returned years later

Which is why I do what I believe all caring people should do, that is hope that she is alive and promote a search for her with that as one of the possibilities.

It is a shame that people like Amaral with his book and Hideho with her trash videos of lies and libel wish to promote their certainty of her death. A sad indictment on them in my opinion.

You know the old saying, Gilet. "What goes around, comes around"  ?>)()<

Isn't it surprising that basic human wisdom as expressed in that proverb and in similar form in the eastern teachings about karma and samsara really do hold truth within them?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: gilet on June 01, 2013, 09:08:02 PM
Here is the full quote: "He re-iterated a claim that Madeleine could still be alive. He said: “You only have to look at the case in Cleveland, Ohio, and the European cases. Of course, there is a possibility she is alive, you cannot exclude it. But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened.” - DCS Campbell

And yet Hideho with her videos full of libellous lies and Amaral with his book continue to promote the certainty of her death. What a sad indictment on them and their deluded followers.

Some people seem to have needed to promote the theory that she had died to advance their own careers, and have found fans to promote the unsupported hypothesis as fact.

How sad is that?

Peut-etre un autre vaste programme?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 01, 2013, 09:11:44 PM
Here is the full quote: "He re-iterated a claim that Madeleine could still be alive. He said: “You only have to look at the case in Cleveland, Ohio, and the European cases. Of course, there is a possibility she is alive, you cannot exclude it. But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened.” - DCS Campbell

And yet Hideho with her videos full of libellous lies and Amaral with his book continue to promote the certainty of her death. What a sad indictment on them and their deluded followers.

Some people seem to have needed to promote the theory that she had died to advance their own careers, and have found fans to promote the unsupported hypothesis as fact.

How sad is that?
Yes, true and very sad indeed.
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Puffin on June 02, 2013, 06:54:55 AM
Here is the full quote: "He re-iterated a claim that Madeleine could still be alive. He said: “You only have to look at the case in Cleveland, Ohio, and the European cases. Of course, there is a possibility she is alive, you cannot exclude it. But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened.” - DCS Campbell

And yet Hideho with her videos full of libellous lies and Amaral with his book continue to promote the certainty of her death. What a sad indictment on them and their deluded followers.

Some people seem to have needed to promote the theory that she had died to advance their own careers, and have found fans to promote the unsupported hypothesis as fact.

How sad is that?
Yes, true and very sad indeed.
    That is what I cannot understand.  Children are so precious, why do people post on twitter etc that they want her dead, that they would hate it if she was found alive.  And the graphic details of what may be happening to her,how can they be like that?    No thought, no pity for her parents, I wonder how they would feel if it was their child and what was being posted was about them or the missing kid?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Eleanor on June 02, 2013, 08:18:46 AM
Here is the full quote: "He re-iterated a claim that Madeleine could still be alive. He said: “You only have to look at the case in Cleveland, Ohio, and the European cases. Of course, there is a possibility she is alive, you cannot exclude it. But the key is to investigate the case and, alive or dead, we should be able to try and discern what happened.” - DCS Campbell

And yet Hideho with her videos full of libellous lies and Amaral with his book continue to promote the certainty of her death. What a sad indictment on them and their deluded followers.

Some people seem to have needed to promote the theory that she had died to advance their own careers, and have found fans to promote the unsupported hypothesis as fact.

How sad is that?
Yes, true and very sad indeed.
    That is what I cannot understand.  Children are so precious, why do people post on twitter etc that they want her dead, that they would hate it if she was found alive.  And the graphic details of what may be happening to her,how can they be like that?    No thought, no pity for her parents, I wonder how they would feel if it was their child and what was being posted was about them or the missing kid?

They have this inbuilt certainty that it could never happen to them, and only happens to people who deserve it, for some obscure reason that they don't need to know about, beyond the fact that it's their own fault.
This makes it very difficult to hope that it never happens to them.  But I do try.
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Mrs. B on June 02, 2013, 08:57:54 AM
The longest interview with Andy Redwood that I could find was on Daybreak in 2012:

Q. Do you believe she's still alive?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. Why?

A. I believe she's still alive because, in the beginning of this case, it's been a great privilege for us in the Metropolitan Police to be part of this review, we came to this investigation with completely open minds, untouched by anything that has gone on before, and as part of that, two key elements are, one; Madeleine is alive & two; sadly she is  not. In relation to her being alive, yes, there is a real possibility that she is alive.

Q. So what the reasons you think that, becuse I think we're all clinging to the hope, aren't we? Yes,is there hard evdidence, because there's still going to be hope, as long as she's not found?

A. Yes, we have conducted a forensic analysis of the time line & there is clearly an opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive & it's our belief based, as experienced investigators, on the evidence, that it's a criminal act undertaken by a stranger. (Quick transcript of main points)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R_RjWWCKEA

Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Benice on June 02, 2013, 09:26:18 AM
It's apparent that SY have been able to do the 'reconstruction' themselves. 

As a matter of pure curiosity, does any know how this is done - I realise it is computer based.

I remember many years ago seeing a 'virtual' reconstruction of J.F. Kennedy's last car journey and how they proved where the shots came from - and also disproved other claims regarding his assassination.     As I say, that was years ago - the technology required to be able to produce virtual  'reconstructions' must have come on in leaps and bounds since then.   I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of how this works.











 


 


Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Carana on June 02, 2013, 09:45:47 AM
Something like this maybe?


http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/10381101.VIDEOS___Natalie_Jarvis_murder__CCTV_footage_before_and_after_plus_virtual_crime_scene/
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: xtina on June 02, 2013, 10:10:14 AM

And yet Hideho with her videos full of libellous lies and Amaral with his book continue to promote the certainty of her death. What a sad indictment on them and their deluded followers.





fgs......................the truth is no one knows ...if maddie is dead or alive...

so therefore ....how can any one say who is right and who is wrong....apart from the people responsible for what happened to maddie...
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Eleanor on June 02, 2013, 10:18:42 AM

And yet Hideho with her videos full of libellous lies and Amaral with his book continue to promote the certainty of her death. What a sad indictment on them and their deluded followers.





fgs......................the truth is no one knows ...if maddie is dead or alive...

so therefore ....how can any one say who is right and who is wrong....apart from the people responsible for what happened to maddie...

This does not give people the right to promote her death.  But it does give others the right to hope that she isn't.
Unless you are advocating the right of some to hope that she is dead.
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: xtina on June 02, 2013, 10:33:01 AM
now did i say i hope maddie is dead ..............no

reread my post sweetie.....


what gives people the right to continually hound people

at least   Hideho has done what  she believes in .............if libelous as in what as been said ..she would suffer the consequences...............but her actions have not resulted in a 3 year old child left unprotected ...and now missing..
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Eleanor on June 02, 2013, 10:36:20 AM
now did i say i hope maddie is dead ..............no

reread my post sweetie.....


what gives people the right to continually hound people

at least   Hideho has done what  she believes in .............if libelous as in what as been said ..she would suffer the consequences...............but her actions have not resulted in a 3 year old child left unprotected ...and now missing..

Did I say that you said you hoped Madeleine was dead?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: xtina on June 02, 2013, 10:44:10 AM
This does not give people the right to promote her death.  But it does give others the right to hope that she isn't.
Unless you are advocating the right of some to hope that she is dead.




i don't know what you mean with all this Right business.....every body has the Right ..to think what they believe what gives you the Right to say otherwise....2 sides to this case ...some believe one side some the other

no one knows [apart from those responsable] what side is right ...
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Benice on June 02, 2013, 10:54:05 AM
Something like this maybe?


http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/10381101.VIDEOS___Natalie_Jarvis_murder__CCTV_footage_before_and_after_plus_virtual_crime_scene/

Thank you Carana - I'll have a look at it later.  Visitors are imminent!  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: DCI on June 02, 2013, 12:54:48 PM
Something like this maybe?

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/10381101.VIDEOS___Natalie_Jarvis_murder__CCTV_footage_before_and_after_plus_virtual_crime_scene/

 8@??)( 8@??)(

Great video reconstruction. Now whats wrong with doing that?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: DCI on June 02, 2013, 01:06:14 PM
Oh my very dear, Hideho in trouble again. She soon removed this.

Quote
ideho Ho  Unfortunately it was necessary to delete the link to Kate's book in the Files section. I was unaware it was there so thank you for this thread. Controversy could have been closed as the McCanns do NOT allow anyone to post links to a free version. UK Justice forum were closed (apparently without warning) because they had made a link to Kates book available and I believe their lawyers requested it removed before the forum was reinstated.

I hadn't realised this forum had been closed down, due to this.
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: DCI on June 02, 2013, 01:13:51 PM
Interesting, hope this is correct  8(>((

Portuguese Attorney Considers New Evidence in Madeleine McCann Investigation

The Wait is due to the Weight of New Evidence

Posted on June 1, 2013by fattassassin

The Portuguese attorney having a background in child protection is absolutely stunned by the deficient response and investigation in to the Madeleine McCann case says Kashif Bashir. Is this the real reason why she is now into a fifth week of considering the new evidence provided by the Scotland Yard team with a view to blowing wide open the failings and to give the inquiry a proper chance.
 
The new evidence that has been presented by the Scotland Yard review team leaves the Portuguese attorney with great deliberation. To open Madeleine’s inquiry again would immediately highlight the sweeping failures in the original investigation and will ultimately highlight why chief lead  Gonçalo Amaral was removed from the case.
 
The Operation Grange team have now identified sixty-seven “points of failure” in the investigation. Sixteen of which the Portuguese attorney has flagged for immediate follow up to save embarrassment and allegations of corruption in the initial inquiry. One of those points of failure is  a boot mark left on a “facing wall” along with a reinvestigation into tetra mast information regarding the location of a resort staff member which contradicts her statement and alibi for her partner at the time of Madeleine’s abduction.
In the case file presented to the attorney, the Grange team also highlight seven separate contentions of witness statements after the fact along with two accusations of negligence in filing witness reports.
 
The Madeleine McCann inquiry remains under consideration by the Portuguese attorney while further new evidence is collected by a new task team is comprised of Polícia Judiciária.

https://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/the-wait-is-due-to-the-weight-of-new-evidence/
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
Interesting, hope this is correct  8(>((

Portuguese Attorney Considers New Evidence in Madeleine McCann Investigation

The Wait is due to the Weight of New Evidence

Posted on June 1, 2013by fattassassin

The Portuguese attorney having a background in child protection is absolutely stunned by the deficient response and investigation in to the Madeleine McCann case says Kashif Bashir. Is this the real reason why she is now into a fifth week of considering the new evidence provided by the Scotland Yard team with a view to blowing wide open the failings and to give the inquiry a proper chance.
 
The new evidence that has been presented by the Scotland Yard review team leaves the Portuguese attorney with great deliberation. To open Madeleine’s inquiry again would immediately highlight the sweeping failures in the original investigation and will ultimately highlight why chief lead  Gonçalo Amaral was removed from the case.
 
The Operation Grange team have now identified sixty-seven “points of failure” in the investigation. Sixteen of which the Portuguese attorney has flagged for immediate follow up to save embarrassment and allegations of corruption in the initial inquiry. One of those points of failure is  a boot mark left on a “facing wall” along with a reinvestigation into tetra mast information regarding the location of a resort staff member which contradicts her statement and alibi for her partner at the time of Madeleine’s abduction.
In the case file presented to the attorney, the Grange team also highlight seven separate contentions of witness statements after the fact along with two accusations of negligence in filing witness reports.
 
The Madeleine McCann inquiry remains under consideration by the Portuguese attorney while further new evidence is collected by a new task team is comprised of Polícia Judiciária.

https://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/the-wait-is-due-to-the-weight-of-new-evidence/

For this information to be true, and to be clear I don't think for one moment it is, the SY review team would have to be leaking like a sieve. Is that what you're claiming ?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Eleanor on June 02, 2013, 01:33:33 PM

If Portugal has got this information then it doesn't have to be Scotland Yard that is leaking like a sieve, does it.
And Portugal does have a past record for this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: ferryman on June 02, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
... the SY review team would have to be leaking like a sieve. Is that what you're claiming ?

I think, maybe, Faith is labouring under the illusion there is a full, on-going enquiry, under terms of Portuguese secrecy.

There isn't ...
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 01:52:12 PM
... the SY review team would have to be leaking like a sieve. Is that what you're claiming ?

I think, maybe, Faith is labouring under the illusion there is a full, on-going enquiry, under terms of Portuguese secrecy.

There isn't ...

No, I'm simply remembering the claim by SY that there would be no running commentary while the review was under way. Don't you think this information, considering its source,  should be viewed with the greatest scepticism until we have official conformation.
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: ferryman on June 02, 2013, 01:59:23 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 02:07:59 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?

Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: ferryman on June 02, 2013, 02:14:28 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?

Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 02:28:52 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?

Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?

Answer the question. Do you believe this information has any more credibility than any other unofficial report ?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:21:19 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?

Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?

Answer the question. Do you believe this information has any more credibility than any other unofficial report ?

You are happy to refer to the Express though on another thread?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:23:51 PM
Incidentally I believe it is a load of crap

But I wouldn't dismiss an unreliable source in one post and then use a different unreliable source in another.

Selective use of crap is not at all helpful
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:33:18 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?

Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?

Answer the question. Do you believe this information has any more credibility than any other unofficial report ?

You seem quite happy to believe every word that drips off Morais's and Blacksmith's poison pens.

and The Express
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: ferryman on June 02, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?

Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?

Answer the question. Do you believe this information has any more credibility than any other unofficial report ?

You answer the question:

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Redblossom on June 02, 2013, 05:07:47 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?

Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?

Answer the question. Do you believe this information has any more credibility than any other unofficial report ?

You answer the question:

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

While the MPS will not provide a running commentary on its involvement, known as Operation Grange, it is felt appropriate to make the remit available to the public and it is available in the related publications.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id391.html

1) On 5 October 2011, the Met responds to a FOIA request concerning the terms of the case review. It states:
'High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9905891/Madeleine-McCann-Interpol-alerted-over-possible-sighting-in-Cyprus.html

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “We are not providing a running commentary on Operation Grange.
“As with any lines of enquiry that are brought to our attention, these will be assessed and dealt with accordingly.”

Just one example of what the Met have said in various news reports


Who the heck is Kashif Bashir anyway? On a previous blog entry that blogger said Hamish Campbell had given a press conference talking about what had been passed on to the PT authorities on their review. A press conference where no journalist has reported on it? How odd. A mega pinch of salt to be taken IMO when reading that odd blog. not a single thing to back up their post and not a single thing to corroborate any of it from other sources proves it must be fake
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: sadie on June 02, 2013, 05:21:36 PM
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A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “We are not providing a running commentary on Operation Grange.

 8@??)( 8@??)(

Similar thing said in the other example.

Quite right SY
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 05:24:26 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?

Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?

Answer the question. Do you believe this information has any more credibility than any other unofficial report ?

You answer the question:

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

While the MPS will not provide a running commentary on its involvement, known as Operation Grange, it is felt appropriate to make the remit available to the public and it is available in the related publications.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id391.html

1) On 5 October 2011, the Met responds to a FOIA request concerning the terms of the case review. It states:
'High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9905891/Madeleine-McCann-Interpol-alerted-over-possible-sighting-in-Cyprus.html

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “We are not providing a running commentary on Operation Grange.
“As with any lines of enquiry that are brought to our attention, these will be assessed and dealt with accordingly.”

Just one example of what the Met have said in various news reports


Who the heck is Kashif Bashir anyway? On a previous blog entry that blogger said Hamish Campbell had given a press conference talking about what had been passed on to the PT authorities on their review. A press conference where no journalist has reported on it? How odd. A mega pinch of salt to be taken IMO when reading that odd blog.

Excellent Redblossom, thank you.
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 05:46:28 PM
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Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?

solved?
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: Redblossom on June 02, 2013, 06:53:39 PM
youre welcome FL

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Does Scotland Yard believe Madeleine may still be alive?
Post by: sadie on June 02, 2013, 07:44:22 PM
I'm sure you have the exact quote to hand?

Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?

Answer the question. Do you believe this information has any more credibility than any other unofficial report ?

You answer the question:

What, exactly, did the review team say about how they would divulge information?
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

While the MPS will not provide a running commentary on its involvement, known as Operation Grange, it is felt appropriate to make the remit available to the public and it is available in the related publications.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id391.html

1) On 5 October 2011, the Met responds to a FOIA request concerning the terms of the case review. It states:
'High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9905891/Madeleine-McCann-Interpol-alerted-over-possible-sighting-in-Cyprus.html

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “We are not providing a running commentary on Operation Grange.
“As with any lines of enquiry that are brought to our attention, these will be assessed and dealt with accordingly.”

Just one example of what the Met have said in various news reports


Who the heck is Kashif Bashir anyway? On a previous blog entry that blogger said Hamish Campbell had given a press conference talking about what had been passed on to the PT authorities on their review. A press conference where no journalist has reported on it? How odd. A mega pinch of salt to be taken IMO when reading that odd blog.

Excellent Redblossom, thank you.

Yep, thankyou Red... good of you

Solved

Sadie
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A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “We are not providing a running commentary on Operation Grange. 

Similar thing said in the other example.

Quite right SY