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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Kevin Craigie and the Joint enterprise murder of Kenneth Rothwell in 1990. => Topic started by: John on July 02, 2012, 08:33:20 AM
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I wonder how many of the comments at the bottom of that Inside Time report were done by Kevin.
I want to mail all the different e-mail addresses but I can't be bothered with antagonising him.
I wouldn't bother. He is hawking his book around the publishers at the moment, I had one of them contact me through twitter so I had to put him straight about our dear Kevin.
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The guy never ever stops does he.
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I wonder how many of the comments at the bottom of that Inside Time report were done by Kevin.
I want to mail all the different e-mail addresses but I can't be bothered with antagonising him.
I wouldn't bother. He is hawking his book around the publishers at the moment, I had one of them contact me through twitter so I had to put him straight about our dear Kevin.
Morning gang!!! Whats his book about excatly?? Has anyone seen a draft copy?? 8-)(--)
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I saw parts of it earlier in the year, Kevin up to about 11 years old.
The book "It's all about me". It's how badly he's been treated and poor me. And how naughty he can be.
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I have 5 chapters,he asked me to edit for him.
The life and times of Kevin 8()-000( please don't ask!
Great insight to his psyche point I knew he wasn't all he proposed to be.
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Has he finished it now? I think I saw about the same amount and it went up to him running off with someone and getting hypotermia or something.
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no idea if he has finished his story! Craigie Rotter the Gobshite and Liar.
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That made me laugh (out loud!).
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That made me laugh (out loud!).
We could write a series of Craigie Rotter books,all proceeds could be used to secure representation for deserving MOJ's 8@??)(
Craigie Rotter
the deadly vile fellow
the imposter and his phone
besides all the carry on titles we could compose.......... @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I have managed to obtain a copy of the manuscript which I will be posting later.
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I've done my book, I'm taking it to the publishers later but here's a copy-:
I was born, I went to school, I went to work, lived with someone for a bit, didn't get a bit, live on my own and nothing much happens.
Don't tell me that didn't make you want more! @)(++(*
I haven't got the imagination of the sfore mentioned man. @)(++(*
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No doubt Joanne,likewise my synopsis would amount to my book!Although I do think it would amount to a more interesting read.
John be careful when you post the script KC doesn't try slam you with copyright legalities.
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I've done my book, I'm taking it to the publishers later but here's a copy-:
I was born, I went to school, I went to work, lived with someone for a bit, didn't get a bit, live on my own and nothing much happens.
Don't tell me that didn't make you want more! @)(++(*
I haven't got the imagination of the sfore mentioned man. @)(++(*
Take it you didn't have a seriously troubled childhood,adolescence then? @)(++(*
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Nope, fortunately or otherwise!
I flippin' daren't! @)(++(*
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Kevin in ........Short Arms, Deep Pockets..... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Other peoples deep pockets @)(++(*!
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Kevin in ........Short Arms, Deep Pockets..... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Other peoples deep pockets @)(++(*!
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8-)(--) who wrote this,where did I read it?
"On one such occasion, I had sneaked into the kitchen, and was in the cupboard where Dads jacket containing his wages were. I then heard the living room door open, and knew if I did not act promptly, I would be caught.
With a wad of notes in my hand, I scrambled onto the veranda and hid behind the rubbish bags. I had only intended taking a small amount.............. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I hastily stuffed the notes down my pants, knowing they would not find it there. If I came forward and told them what I had done it would have been catastrophic."
Same reasoning used some years later then?
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Even at a young age he was "It's all about me".
Didn't he put some back or something? I'm sure he got caught with some of it but it was a while ago when I read it.
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8-)(--) who wrote this,where did I read it?
"On one such occasion, I had sneaked into the kitchen, and was in the cupboard where Dads jacket containing his wages were. I then heard the living room door open, and knew if I did not act promptly, I would be caught.
With a wad of notes in my hand, I scrambled onto the veranda and hid behind the rubbish bags. I had only intended taking a small amount.............. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I hastily stuffed the notes down my pants, knowing they would not find it there. If I came forward and told them what I had done it would have been catastrophic."
Same reasoning used some years later then?
Seems to have a thing about sticking things down his pants @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Even at a young age he was "It's all about me".
Didn't he put some back or something? I'm sure he got caught with some of it but it was a while ago when I read it.
Where did you read it? @)(++(*
" I cringed with shame, realising that I had taken so much. If only the Living room door had not opened when it did, I would only have taken a fraction of that amount, xxxxxxxxxx When everyone had gone to sleep, I tiptoed into the kitchen and placed it below Dads jacket.
That night I slept easier, knowing that I had done the right thing. I was never out to cause them pain and suffering,"
Theft is theft!
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8-)(--) who wrote this,where did I read it?
"On one such occasion, I had sneaked into the kitchen, and was in the cupboard where Dads jacket containing his wages were. I then heard the living room door open, and knew if I did not act promptly, I would be caught.
With a wad of notes in my hand, I scrambled onto the veranda and hid behind the rubbish bags. I had only intended taking a small amount.............. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I hastily stuffed the notes down my pants, knowing they would not find it there. If I came forward and told them what I had done it would have been catastrophic."
Same reasoning used some years later then?
Seems to have a thing about sticking things down his pants @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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As long as he sticks to his own pants.......(Vomit emoticon needed).
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That night I slept easier, knowing that I had done the right thing. I was never out to cause them pain and suffering,"
Theft is theft!
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and later on Kevin realised that Murder is Murder !! Rip Mr Rothwell
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Sadly don't think he has realised that AgentA
As the story goes he was disturbed, his intention was not to take so much,so he returned some of the money.
as he wrote "
That night I slept easier, knowing that I had done the right thing. I was never out to cause them pain and suffering,
Did not understand that the right thing was not to have stolen at all!!
Still living in denial!
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I'd be interested to read the bits I haven't yet read because I want to see what he has to say about Mr Rothwell. There is no doubt that it'll all be lies, fantasy and so on all the way through.
I know they say 'there's a book in everyone' but his will make Harry Potter look factual, however I haven't read or seen Harry Potter.
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I have only read 5 chapters which amount to me, me, me..........
Good point Joanne wonder if in the later chapters of the Craigie Rotter book, the events of that night and murder of Mr ROTHWELL RIP are mentioned. 8(8-))
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Sadly don't think he has realised that AgentA
As the story goes he was disturbed, his intention was not to take so much,so he returned some of the money.
as he wrote "
That night I slept easier, knowing that I had done the right thing. I was never out to cause them pain and suffering,
Did not understand that the right thing was not to have stolen at all!!
Still living in denial!
The way he writes suggests to me his belief that it is right to steal as long as it is small time???
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My belief too David.
Along with him not getting caught!!!
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Whats his pen name? Kevin, Margot or Chelsea or will it be something else? 8-)(--)
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Whats his pen name? Kevin, Margot or Chelsea or will it be something else? 8-)(--)
Definitely Kevin Craigie is posting as Margot on the Jeremy Bamber forum. He thinks he is untouchable sitting there in Primrose Gardens posting smut and filth about me and others but I may just pay him a visit. Then again I always wanted to visit the nearby CAB centre which may just be the ticket. Plenty of witnesses there!
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He needs to stop spouting his rubbish and shut up. Pity they don't cut fingers off in cases like him.
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He needs to stop spouting his rubbish and shut up. Pity they don't cut fingers off in cases like him.
They do say, "Give him enough rope..."
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Whats his pen name? Kevin, Margot or Chelsea or will it be something else? 8-)(--)
Definitely Kevin Craigie is posting as Margot on the Jeremy Bamber forum. He thinks he is untouchable sitting there in Primrose Gardens posting smut and filth about me and others but I may just pay him a visit. Then again I always wanted to visit the nearby CAB centre which may just be the ticket. Plenty of witnesses there!
Gives you an insight into his mindset;sat there enacting the persona created specifically to hurt others.There is no transparency,humility only a sinister need to hurt others in anonymity!Yet,entrusted by CAB to assist vulnerable people SICK
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Has anyone got the date when Jeremy used his wet suit on a trip to the coast after the murders?
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I just fear how many other people like KC work with vulnerable people and animals.
If (and only if) he did work at the CAB, I can't imagine having to deal with having HIV or AIDS and then being told that the very person who was supposed to help you was a murderer with no remorse, it's not like he was on a telephone help line, this was face to face advice.
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Whats his pen name? Kevin, Margot or Chelsea or will it be something else? 8-)(--)
Definitely Kevin Craigie is posting as Margot on the Jeremy Bamber forum. He thinks he is untouchable sitting there in Primrose Gardens posting smut and filth about me and others but I may just pay him a visit. Then again I always wanted to visit the nearby CAB centre which may just be the ticket. Plenty of witnesses there!
Gives you an insight into his mindset;sat there enacting the persona created specifically to hurt others.There is no transparency,humility only a sinister need to hurt others in anonymity! Yet,entrusted by CAB to assist vulnerable people SICK
If he was genuine he would be going out of his way to express remorse for what he and his co accused did but I am yet to hear a single cheep out of him on that count. What drives people like Kevin Craigie to do the things they do? On one hand they want sympathy but on the other they just want to cause harm?
I think I will be making a few calls tomorrow.
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I just fear how many other people like KC work with vulnerable people and animals.
If (and only if) he did work at the CAB, I can't imagine having to deal with having HIV or AIDS and then being told that the very person who was supposed to help you was a murderer with no remorse, it's not like he was on a telephone help line, this was face to face advice.
I find it unbelievable that the Citizens Advice Bureau would even engage someone with a confirmed murder conviction. Just what the hell do they think they are playing at? You can be dam sure that those poor people who are being counselled haven't a bloody clue that the bald coot sitting opposite them is a murderer.
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I think people generally don't want to listen. I tried warning people yesterday-another waste of time that I won't get back @)(++(* It's like nobody wants to stop him until after something has happened, a murder did and he's still carrying on causing chaos 8()(((@#
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Me wonders what name he's going to publish it under?
Margot's home backing, Chelsea's guide to finding your identity or a set of biographies?
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I knew Kevin back in 2002 when he was in HMP Sudbury. Having read some of the posts on here, it seems his life really hasn't moved on that much. I would be curious to know the contents of any book that he publishes.
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What was your impression Umbra having known him ? Would be interesting to read
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The impression I had of him was of somebody who genuinely believed himself to be a victim of injustice. He also greatly distrusted the authorities and seem to believe that they had conspired against him.
I knew little about his case at the time and what I've read about it on here has lead me to the conclusion that this is not a case of injustice. I say that on the basis that he did nothing to help the victim.
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The impression I had of him was of somebody who genuinely believed himself to be a victim of injustice. He also greatly distrusted the authorities and seem to believe that they had conspired against him.
I knew little about his case at the time and what I've read about it on here has lead me to the conclusion that this is not a case of injustice. I say that on the basis that he did nothing to help the victim.
Kevin doesn't hang around long enough to tell anyone what happened that evening and he certainly does his case no favours by his actions. If someone was genuinely innocent of murder and was remorseful in relation to other minor offences they would be prepared to discuss their case at length but not Kevin.
We are thus left with no option but to consider him guilty as charged.
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Just becasue kevin Craigie does not wish to discuss his case on here, that does not mean that he is guilty as charged. I would not discuss my case on here If I had one.
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Just becasue kevin Craigie does not wish to discuss his case on here, that does not mean that he is guilty as charged. I would not discuss my case on here If I had one.
Your are missing the point somewhat. He was the one who posted his case on here and started to debate it but when the questions got too heavy for him he decided to throw a wobbly and do one.
A significant indicator of guilt in my opinion. If he is afraid to truly debate his case then he has something to hide.
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Something else which bothers me about the Kevin Craigie case. We know from the transcript of Kevin's interview by police that he followed his friend Mark Fuller and victim Kenneth Rothwell across London at a discreet distance before Fuller beckoned him into Rothwell's home. Just what was their intention? What were they going to do when Rothwell realised he had two strange men in his home and not just the one he had invited?
Was this a scheme they had undertaken previously? They knew that a homosexual man would probably not report a robbery, is that how they got away with it on previous occasions? Were there previous occasions or was this a one off opportunistic event?
Did things get out of hand when Kenneth Rothwell was having none of it and fought back? Why did Craigie try to phone his parents in Glasgow instead of calling an ambulance?
These are the questions which Kevin refuses to answer.
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There were mo robbery though. They were both charged with conspiracy to rob 9 months later. They went there to sleep that night as Hostel was shut up for night. They had done this several times before with no incident
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There were mo robbery though. They were both charged with conspiracy to rob 9 months later. They went there to sleep that night as Hostel was shut up for night. They had done this several times before with no incident
No robbery? They took several items from the mans house and stole his car. Deffo no robbery then! @)(++(*
When Kevin Craigie set out to shadow Fuller and Rothwell he had no idea how far away from the hostel Rothwell actually lived and that their journey would involve a trip on London Underground. Craigie wasn't invited to the house and Fuller was only there for one thing and it wasn't to sleep!
Consequently your comment that they went there to sleep as the Hostel was shut is untrue as the Hostel was not shut when they set out. Fuller picked Rothwell up in a gay bar while Craigie looked on, what exactly was Craigie's involvement that night? Was he Fullers backup in case it all went wrong?
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There were mo robbery though. They were both charged with conspiracy to rob 9 months later. They went there to sleep that night as Hostel was shut up for night. They had done this several times before with no incident
No robbery? They took several items from the mans house and stole his car. Deffo no robbery then! @)(++(*
When Kevin Craigie set out to shadow Fuller and Rothwell he had no idea how far away from the hostel Rothwell actually lived and that their journey would involve a trip on London Underground. Craigie wasn't invited to the house and Fuller was only there for one thing and it wasn't to sleep!
Consequently your comment that they went there to sleep as the Hostel was shut is untrue as the Hostel was not shut when they set out. Fuller picked Rothwell up in a gay bar while Craigie looked on, what exactly was Craigie's involvement that night? Was he Fullers backup in case it all went wrong?
I wouldn't be surprised if Craigie is attempting to alter the facts in his case in order to allow him to look good less guilty. As he mixes with more and more people in London it is only a matter of time before he is outed as a fraud yet again. Whatever happened his website that Karen Torley was devising for him? It appears to have disappeared even before it was properly launched.
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Read your comments. 2/100. Please go back and revise, before condemning a very probable innocent guy. The answers are in the CCRC and Appeal submissions
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Read your comments. 2/100. Please go back and revise, before condemning a very probable innocent guy. The answers are in the CCRC and Appeal submissions
Isn't it strange that the guy who struck the fatal blow was released after 10 years yet Kevin Craigie served 13 years? Anyone care to explain this? >@@(*&)
Craigie was rightly convicted of the Joint Enterprise murder of Kenneth Rothwell. He set out that night to do mischief but it all went horribly wrong for him. He may not have made the fatal blow but he left Mr Rothwell to bleed to death. Craigie could have dialled 999 at any time and summoned help. In his police interview Craigie speaks of Mr Rothwell lying moaning as he bled to death from serious head injuries. By leaving Mr Rothwell without medical assistance Craigie effectively killed him just as much as if he had hit him over the head with the stair spindle as Fuller admitted to doing.
Craigie probably regrets his actions but it is too late, Kenneth Rothwell is dead!
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Is there any way to get Mr Fuller's paperwork?
I'd like to read his take on the matter.
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Fuller was not released at 10 years. Suggest you at lesat try to have some understanding a case fore you try to demolish it. I have read most of it now and can see that you are really very eager to convince people that kevin Craigie is guilty. Sad, really, as I mind you telling people on here that his own lawyer Harry had said to you on the phone that he was not guilty too. I started with an open mind. Once I had read the CCRC summissions, The Crane report and Appeal I was swayed that Kevin craigie is not guilty. He is still fighting to clear his name decades later, and you use the prosecutions "edited" versions to condemn a man. Thats not right
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Fuller was not released at 10 years. Suggest you at lesat try to have some understanding a case fore you try to demolish it. I have read most of it now and can see that you are really very eager to convince people that kevin Craigie is guilty. Sad, really, as I mind you telling people on here that his own lawyer Harry had said to you on the phone that he was not guilty too. I started with an open mind. Once I had read the CCRC summissions, The Crane report and Appeal I was swayed that Kevin craigie is not guilty. He is still fighting to clear his name decades later, and you use the prosecutions "edited" versions to condemn a man. Thats not right
How long did Fuller serve? I happen to believe that Fuller alone, was responsible for battering Mr Rothwell to death. However, there seems no doubt that Craigie was in the house, aware that Mr Rothwell was badly injured and then went on to steal the dead mans car. Irrespective of everything else, the fact that Craigie was prepared to leave a badly injured man helpless, is good enough reason to bang him up for a good few years.
Does Craigie accept that he was guilty of an offence that night and deserved a prison sentence? Is it purely the murder charge that he contests?
Did Craigie have any previous convictions?
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I am not kevin craigies spokesman. Read all the papers, its all in there. He had no choice but to leave as you will see and it was kevin craigie who alerted the undercover police car to stop them which they then did. he did try and summon help in the house and was almopst bludgeoned himself by the stair spindle in fullers hands. He has notdone no offence as you will see. dont know about previous convictions
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I was fortunate enough to be able to read some of Kevin Craigies autobiography.(15 chapters) This is not a "fairy story" or an "all about me" as some of you claim. It is actually a fascinating book, which will in my opinion be a best seller as were the books by David Peltzer " A child called it". The early chapters describing daily life at that school in Dumfries and Galloway had me engrossed. He is not "trying" to have it publihed. It is being published.
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I was fortunate enough to be able to read some of Kevin Craigies autobiography.(15 chapters) This is not a "fairy story" or an "all about me" as some of you claim. It is actually a fascinating book, which will in my opinion be a best seller as were the books by David Peltzer " A child called it". The early chapters describing daily life at that school in Dumfries and Galloway had me engrossed. He is not "trying" to have it publihed. It is being published.
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I was fortunate enough to be able to read some of Kevin Craigies autobiography.(15 chapters) This is not a "fairy story" or an "all about me" as some of you claim. It is actually a fascinating book, which will in my opinion be a best seller as were the books by David Peltzer " A child called it". The early chapters describing daily life at that school in Dumfries and Galloway had me engrossed. He is not "trying" to have it publihed. It is being published.
The whole point of a biography is that it's all about you! Which is why I said it!
Who is publishing it? I can't find it on Amazon? I'd have thought it'd go to kindle straight away-no publishing costs as such when it's a computer transfer.
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I had intended posting a copy of Craigie's so-called book on the forum but I thought better of it. There is no point in putting something so amateurish on the internet as there is quite enough propaganda out there. I am however quite prepared to send a copy of his fictional rantings to any member who requests it.
It is excellent material if you are an insomniac however. It will put you to sleep instantly! 8(0(*
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I had intended posting a copy of Craigie's so-called book on the forum but I thought better of it. There is no point in putting something so amateurish on the internet as there is quite enough propaganda out there. I am however quite prepared to send a copy of his fictional rantings to any member who requests it.
It is excellent material if you are an insomniac however. It will put you to sleep instantly! 8(0(*
Thanks for the offer John but there doesn't seem much point, does there! If I want to read a good piece of fiction, I will always choose Wilber Smith over Kevin Craigie, any day!!
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When I was a student, many many years ago I worked for three months in a psychiatric ward in Newcastle. Part of my placement to gain my qualifications. The patients do exactly what you motley crew do each and every day. Call each other childish names, slag each other off, accuse each other, sulk, argue. The only difference being the patients threw things at each other, and were injected when necessary. Worth thinking about ?
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When I was a student, many many years ago I worked for three months in a psychiatric ward in Newcastle. Part of my placement to gain my qualifications. The patients do exactly what you motley crew do each and every day. Call each other childish names, slag each other off, accuse each other, sulk, argue. The only difference being the patients threw things at each other, and were injected when necessary. Worth thinking about ?
We all get on rather well on this forum regardless of our personal opinions so your observation is ill-conceived and basically isn't worth zit my dear Jane, Zed, Jason, Rachel, Gloria, Sandra, Duane ,Gary, Lesley, Scorpio, Big Tom, Minty, Curious, Leo, Joanne anne, Andrew, Benny, Liam or any other false name you want to use instead of Kevin Craigie. @)(++(*
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Let's get the facts right here.....
I did wonder if Craigie had been using a false name; as did many other people....I was not alone with this thought...
However - what I have always believed is that Craigie is/was GUILTY and not a MOJ.
I think it's fair to say; especially after reading his police interview - this devious piece of s..m is a con artist...
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When I was a student, many many years ago I worked for three months in a psychiatric ward in Newcastle. Part of my placement to gain my qualifications. The patients do exactly what you motley crew do each and every day. Call each other childish names, slag each other off, accuse each other, sulk, argue. The only difference being the patients threw things at each other, and were injected when necessary. Worth thinking about ?
Do they allow 'students' to work in psychiactric wards? I would have thought you need qualifications to be working with vulnerable individuals?
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When I was a student, many many years ago I worked for three months in a psychiatric ward in Newcastle. Part of my placement to gain my qualifications. The patients do exactly what you motley crew do each and every day. Call each other childish names, slag each other off, accuse each other, sulk, argue. The only difference being the patients threw things at each other, and were injected when necessary. Worth thinking about ?
Do they allow 'students' to work in psychiactric wards? I would have thought you need qualifications to be working with vulnerable individuals?
Stephanie-hi,
There's also the CRB check too!
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When I was a student, many many years ago I worked for three months in a psychiatric ward in Newcastle. Part of my placement to gain my qualifications. The patients do exactly what you motley crew do each and every day. Call each other childish names, slag each other off, accuse each other, sulk, argue. The only difference being the patients threw things at each other, and were injected when necessary. Worth thinking about ?
Jane, Zed, Jason, Rachel, Gloria, Sandra, Duane ,Gary, Lesley, Scorpio, Big Tom, Minty, Curious, Leo, Joanne anne, Andrew, Benny, Liam or any other false name you want to use instead of Kevin Craigie. @)(++(*
Roger Scott Duhig resurfaced around the same time as Kevin Craigie.... >@@(*&)
How many messages do you intend on sending me Craigie?
I thought the police were after you and you had to do a runner? What's going on in your fantasy world now?
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I saw parts of it earlier in the year, Kevin up to about 11 years old.
The book "It's all about me". It's how badly he's been treated and poor me. And how naughty he can be.
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I am guessing that that's as far as the book will go, as Craigie claims to be dead! @)(++(*
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I am guessing that that's as far as the book will go, as Craigie claims to be dead! @)(++(*
Craigie might be many things but he ain't dead. I was sent a copy of the book transcripts last year but got bored with it half way through the first chapter. As you say, too much me me me...
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He's still got 2 facebook account which have recent postings on them as well as 60 odd people 'following' him on another account. I'm sure he'' reappear here or on another forum soon, surprisingly it wasn't on Good Friday or Easter Monday @)(++(*