Joana Cipriano case - Very detailed Supreme Court Report.

[John]

There is something very suspicious about their ability to DNA test Leandro's semen when they didn't DNA test the blood.

Actually you are wrong Eleanor and not for the first time in this case.   They did test the remnants of the material they found which indeed turned out to be human blood.  Unfortunately, Leonor and João had made such a good job of cleaning up with chemical cleaners that insufficient remained capable of returning a DNA result.

[Eleanor]

So they cleaned the inside of the fridge with chemical cleaners and still managed to leave some blood behind. Then The PJ tested this blood to establish that it was human, but couldn't get any DNA?  This doesn't sound very likely to me.

[Eleanor]

Because he could have argued that he ran out of kleenex, the sock was full up & he couldn't reach the curtains.

Would you trust him to babysit?

A woman is convicted of Murder on No Body and No Forensic Evidence, and accused of Incest, while in the same case a possible Paedophile walks away scott free leaving his DNA all over a child's underwear.

The PJ obviously believed him, and failed to beat a confession out of him.  But then they were only interested in convicting Joana's mother and uncle of murder on far less evidence.

[John]

So they cleaned the inside of the fridge with chemical cleaners and still managed to leave some blood behind. Then The PJ tested this blood to establish that it was human, but couldn't get any DNA?  This doesn't sound very likely to me.

It is much easier to determine if a substance is blood and even human blood than it is to derive LCN results from a very small sample.  All I know is they tried to obtain DNA but were unsuccessful.

[John]

A woman is convicted of Murder on No Body and No Forensic Evidence, and accused of Incest, while in the same case a possible Paedophile walks away scott free leaving his DNA all over a child's underwear.

The PJ obviously believed him, and failed to beat a confession out of him.  But then they were only interested in convicting Joana's mother and uncle of murder on far less evidence.

Just my own theory Eleanor but I believe it was a case of prosecuting the greater evil and they needed Leandro on side if you understand my meaning.  They needed his cooperation and his testimony.

[Eleanor]

Just my own theory Eleanor but I believe it was a case of prosecuting the greater evil and they needed Leandro on side if you understand my meaning.  They needed his cooperation and his testimony.

Are there any fiendish tricks they won't get up to?  And in which case why beat up Leandro and put him in hospital for two days if they could threaten him with a charge of Paedophilia?

[John]

Are there any fiendish tricks they won't get up to?  And in which case why beat up Leandro and put him in hospital for two days if they could threaten him with a charge of Paedophilia?

They probably did both Eleanor.

[Eleanor]

They probably did both Eleanor.

Nasty people.  And you think it was a safe conviction?

[John]

Nasty people.  And you think it was a safe conviction?

I think two people don't independently confess to the same crime if they are completely innocent.

[Carana]

Leandro explained the semen to my satisfaction, and since he was never charged with anything then his explanation must have been accepted.
And No, I am not going to repeat what he said.  But I will repeat that he was never charged with anything.
Or are you suggesting that he sexually abused Joana?

The knickers were apparently found in a pile of clothes in a dirty-laundry basket.

As, years later, what the PJ's scientific guys decided was semen on a bedcover was eventually discovered to have been a baby's saliva in the Madeleine case, I wonder what tests they did.

The story of whose semen it actually was seems clear as mud. According to Leandro's press interview, at various points it was thought that it might have been Leandro's, João's or that of Leandro's half-brother.

As far as I'm aware the "forensic" sweep didn't take place until 10 days later. If ever the child had been abused, it might have helped if the house had been sealed off and a forensic sweep done straight away. As far as I'm aware the so-called forensic sweep didn't take place until 10 days later (22 Sept).

[Benice]

I think two people don't independently confess to the same crime if they are completely innocent.

They do if they are being  'encouraged' to confess what they are being told they have done - after  hours and hours of 'robust' interrogation. IMO   

[Carana]

They do if they are being  'encouraged' to confess what they are being told they have done - after  hours and hours of 'robust' interrogation. IMO   

I agree, Benice.

Just a glance at the Innocence Project study shows how high the percentage of false confessions actually is (or has been)... and that study concerned the US. 

[Wonderfulspam]

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[Eleanor]

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You norty little attention seeker you.

[Carana]

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Is this meant to be an example of "shockjock humour"? I find it disrespectful towards two missing children and their families. I'll be interested to see how many of the so-called sceptics on here high-five that with approving smilies.