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Offline Daisy

Concrete and Mortar Issues.
« on: March 02, 2017, 08:37:19 PM »
This incorporates the following questions asked:

“On the MOJ site you originally linked to, the concrete is referred to as mortar. Is this a mistake, because mortar is just a mixture of cement and sand, so it seems strange that 3 layers of this relatively weak material was used to underpin the foundations?”

“Mark took delivery of concrete and had it laid over the exact spot where his father had been buried. Is that a coincidence too far?”

When the samples were analysed by a Chartered Engineer and Geologist we discovered that the bottom three layers in which the body had been hidden were in fact made of mortar rather than concrete, and comprised of “sea dredged sand bound by Portland cement and pulverized-fuel ash” in “mix proportions of about 1:3 by volume”.  I had no hand in these. By contrast, by the time I became involved I was using concrete not mortar, because the whole purpose of the site was to underpin the garage. This fourth and final layer was comprised of “crushed micro-granite coarse aggregate.”

When I arrived there was nothing unusual looking about the site at all. It had a completely smooth base and I just assumed it was some kind of specialist foundation for the underpinning.  It makes me feel sick knowing I was only feet away from the horrors lurking beneath.  It’s a horrible and cruel realization, but of course there was always building work going on around the house back then, so I was used to finding new things popping up here and there.  As one neighbour commented “I would notice different jobs had been completed on the house, but I would never see anybody doing them…I would see bricks outside his house and not think anything of it”(AW).  It was almost inevitable that I would be involved in some small way at some stage or other because we tried to save money by doing what we could ourselves.  Why would I suspect anything as macabre as this?  It just doesn’t even cross your mind.  I didn’t believe it when the police told me, and I can still hardly believe it now.

It’s really telling that the layers in which they buried dad weren’t made of concrete.  This simple difference in the materials demonstrates that the work must have been carried out by two different people, because the same person wouldn’t use different types of cement mix on the same job.

There are other clues to this as well.  I ordered a truckload of concrete for 2 o’clock in the afternoon, in my own name.  The truck was blocking the road, and I stood there waving cars by.  The haulier was with me the whole time, but the people who laid the mortar before me did so discreetly: nobody saw them working, so they must have gone out of their way not to attract attention to themselves.

I am not a builder.  I knew next to nothing about this kind of work and I am not physically built for the job.  In the haulier’s words, “I remember thinking he was out of his depth.  He looked as though he had never used a wheelbarrow before.  He clearly didn’t have a clue what he was doing.”  So when the experts compared the concrete to the mortar, they described my efforts as “less well compacted and more voided at the upper and edge surfaces, which suggests a non-specialist installation, and the absence of shuttering”: amateur in other words.  But the mortar, by comparison was “consistently well-mixed”, with clear evidence of techniques like leveling, shuttering, and compacting having been used.  The mix quality, consistency (both thoroughness of mixing and degree of compaction) of the various mortar layers suggests preparation by an experienced person.  So not only were the materials different but the expertise and methods used were completely unalike.

The other thing to point out is that the entire house was basically a building site.  There were materials strewn all over the place on pallets and in canvas bags, with dozens of separate worksites.  Ths site where my rather was found was the last of 3 separate areas of underpinning.  Previously there had been a row of trees along the boundary which my father had sought permission to take down.  We only found evidence for this after my trial.  His application read: “The trees now pose a visible threat to the foundations of the house and garage”.  When the police excavated the site they found that tree roots had been cut away to make way for it.  The Forensic Archaeologist responsible for the excavation commented that “the site was apparently not designed as a grave”.  It was “well constructed by someone who appears to have known what they were doing”.

So on all accounts this was just a regular building site that the people who killed my father perverted for their own ends, and which I fatefully bumbled into, openly and thoughtlessly because I had nothing to hide.

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Offline John

Re: Concrete and Mortar Issues.
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2017, 11:39:18 PM »
Underpinning a wall is not a job for amateurs yet the evidence is that the substance used ie mortar was totally inappropriate for this type of work. High quality concrete is what is used in underpinning work and is poured in one go and requires a substantial amount of excavation prior to it being laid.  What we had at the Alexander's residence was nothing more than a sham attempt at concealing a body followed by several attempts to regularise the scene by pretending it was some sort of underpinning work.

No contractor has ever come forward to claim this work and I bet there are no paid invoices proving it was ever done.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2017, 11:41:25 PM by John »
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Offline Daisy

Re: Concrete and Mortar Issues.
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2017, 07:10:41 AM »
Underpinning a wall is not a job for amateurs yet the evidence is that the substance used ie mortar was totally inappropriate for this type of work. High quality concrete is what is used in underpinning work and is poured in one go and requires a substantial amount of excavation prior to it being laid.  What we had at the Alexander's residence was nothing more than a sham attempt at concealing a body followed by several attempts to regularise the scene by pretending it was some sort of underpinning work.

No contractor has ever come forward to claim this work and I bet there are no paid invoices proving it was ever done.

I am not a builder but lots of people try and do this type of work with disastrous consequences. We even see programmes on tv when so called professionals carry out building work to an inferior standard and the programme makers call in experts to put things right. I am making a further list of questions to send to Mark.

Offline John

Re: Concrete and Mortar Issues.
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2017, 02:18:18 PM »
I am not a builder but lots of people try and do this type of work with disastrous consequences. We even see programmes on tv when so called professionals carry out building work to an inferior standard and the programme makers call in experts to put things right. I am making a further list of questions to send to Mark.

The wall underpinning tale was simply that, a tale.  Had there really been a need to underpin a single story domestic garage wall then it would have been done over the 6 or 7 metres of the wall and not as occurred.  It would also have required excavating under the wall and even possibly jacking it up.  There is no evidence that any of this occurred.  There is also no evidence that a structural engineer attended the site or provided a report as would be normal procedure.

In addition, a new concrete footing would have been poured in one go and not in four pretty awful attempts as happened in this case.  What we have here is a body buried under three very amateurishly laid layers of hand mixed mortar and a layer of ready mix concrete intended to seal the deal.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2017, 02:25:54 PM by John »
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Offline Daisy

Re: Concrete and Mortar Issues.
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2017, 07:39:56 PM »
The wall underpinning tale was simply that, a tale.  Had there really been a need to underpin a single story domestic garage wall then it would have been done over the 6 or 7 metres of the wall and not as occurred.  It would also have required excavating under the wall and even possibly jacking it up.  There is no evidence that any of this occurred.  There is also no evidence that a structural engineer attended the site or provided a report as would be normal procedure.

In addition, a new concrete footing would have been poured in one go and not in four pretty awful attempts as happened in this case.  What we have here is a body buried under three very amateurishly laid layers of hand mixed mortar and a layer of ready mix concrete intended to seal the deal.


I sent your photos on to Mark which you mentioned on another thread and of course didn't mention any names.  Mark phoned me today and I was honest with him and said that most people didn't believe the underpinning story.  He explained that the house wasn't subsiding but that roots from conifers were growing into the foundations.  A surveyor did visit the house and said the problem wasn't serious enough to do any work.  However, Sami carried out, or someone else, did the work.  When Mark arrived home, he found that two areas had been finished and that is why he ordered the concrete and completed the work.  He admitted to me that he didn't really know what underpinning was and finished the work as best he could.  As far as he is aware, he didn't think the foundations of the house had been damaged.  I went on a site and read a bit about it.  Apparently newer houses have much deeper foundations, so damage to them wouldn't occur as it would with an older house.  Planning permission was received to cut the trees down beforehand. 

Offline mrswah

Re: Concrete and Mortar Issues.
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2017, 06:52:24 PM »
Presumably, there is some documentary evidence of a surveyor having visited the house, and of planning permission having been obtained to cut down the trees?

Offline John

Re: Concrete and Mortar Issues.
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2017, 09:14:47 PM »

I sent your photos on to Mark which you mentioned on another thread and of course didn't mention any names.  Mark phoned me today and I was honest with him and said that most people didn't believe the underpinning story.  He explained that the house wasn't subsiding but that roots from conifers were growing into the foundations.  A surveyor did visit the house and said the problem wasn't serious enough to do any work.  However, Sami carried out, or someone else, did the work.  When Mark arrived home, he found that two areas had been finished and that is why he ordered the concrete and completed the work.  He admitted to me that he didn't really know what underpinning was and finished the work as best he could.  As far as he is aware, he didn't think the foundations of the house had been damaged.  I went on a site and read a bit about it.  Apparently newer houses have much deeper foundations, so damage to them wouldn't occur as it would with an older house.  Planning permission was received to cut the trees down beforehand.

Thank you for that Daisy, I know you are trying to do your best.  Mark is finding it difficult to explain the multiple layers of mortar capped by a layer of concrete at the burial site, there just isnt any logical innocent reason why that could have been done.  If tree roots are growing into foundations the trees are removed, there is no need to do any concreting.
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Offline John

Re: Concrete and Mortar Issues.
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2017, 09:19:03 PM »
Presumably, there is some documentary evidence of a surveyor having visited the house, and of planning permission having been obtained to cut down the trees?

I agree, if a surveyor had inspected the site there will be a detailed report of what needed to be done and where and most importantly, when all this occurred.
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