Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction

[Venturi Swirl]

Anna Raccoon you mean?

Operation Grange spent years following evidence to no avail.  Is that because the evidence which might support abduction doesn't? It seems that none of the sightings of Madeleine or of men behaving or looking strange were useful.

Anyone who seriously believes that Operation Grange have allowed themselves to be sent on a wild goose chase for years really does need to give their head a wobble IMO.  The fact that their investigation into abduction is now supported by two foreign police forces must surely give you some pause for thought?  But then again, probably not...

[Brietta]

Who said that finding an abductor was the remit of Operation Grange to the exclusion of all else?

This sounds like Libel to me.  And not even in your opinion, but stated as a fact.

It is as plain as the nose on a face, Eleanor.

It is arrant stupidity to imagine that Scotland Yard or any investigating body would embark on any initiative major or minor without taking absolutely EVERYTHING - that is every miniscule record - of ALL the investigative work which had gone on before and putting it under the closest scrutiny. 

It beggars belief there are those who imagine it all wasn't gone over in fine detail which INCLUDED the investigation of witnesses ~ particularly the main ones.

Op Grange Remit

The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1. 

The activity, in the first instance, will be that of an ‘investigative review’.  This will entail a review of the whole of the investigation(s) which have been conducted in to the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

The focus of the review will be of the material held by three main stakeholders (and in the following order of primacy);

• The Portuguese Law Enforcement agencies.
• UK Law Enforcement agencies,
• Other private investigative agencies/staff and organisations.
  

The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before. 

It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.

The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness.

The work will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure, which will also manage the central relationships with other key stakeholders and provide continuing oversight and direction to the investigative remit.

End

[Brietta]

Anna Raccoon you mean?

Operation Grange spent years following evidence to no avail.  Is that because the evidence which might support abduction doesn't? It seems that none of the sightings of Madeleine or of men behaving or looking strange were useful.

Yet again you are pontificating from a position of absolute ignorance.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yet again you are pontificating from a position of absolute ignorance.

Oh right, so Brueckner was seen lurking close to 5a was he?

Yes, maybe that's the concrete evidence.

[Eleanor]

Anna Racoon posted on a website, the name of which I have forgotten.  She then became a Moderator and did her best to be fair and logical to all opinion.

She also had a Blog on which she pursued many other things with the same logic.

She was a friend of mine, although we didn't always agree.  Her name was Susan Nundy.  I visited her in Provence, but sadly at a time when she was becoming really ill.

A Nonentity she most certainly was not.  But this was happening before any sceptic had even got their act together beyond salacious gossip.  Nothing much has changed since then.

[Venturi Swirl]

Anna Racoon posted on a website, the name of which I have forgotten.  She then became a Moderator and did her best to be fair and logical to all opinion.

She also had a Blog on which she pursued many other things with the same logic.

She was a friend of mine, although we didn't always agree.  Her name was Susan Nundy.  I visited her in Provence, but sadly at a time when she was becoming really ill.

A Nonentity she most certainly was not.  But this was happening before any sceptic had even got their act together beyond salacious gossip.  Nothing much has changed since then.

She started off being quite sceptical as I recall, but then her logic and common sense prevailed. She was always worth reading even if you didn't always agree with everything she wrote.

[Brietta]

Oh right, so Brueckner was seen lurking close to 5a was he?

Yes, maybe that's the concrete evidence.

The German investigators haven't contacted me with that information yet.  I'm sure they will have it just not ready to impart it yet.

I do know where he was on the 9th of May though.  He hadn't yet left Portugal for Germany by then, unless he had made a flying round trip there and back.

But it isn't really important for us to know the fine detail.  It is enough the BKA have sussed it out and have included it all in their chain of evidence.

[Brietta]

She started off being quite sceptical as I recall, but then her logic and common sense prevailed. She was always worth reading even if you didn't always agree with everything she wrote.

I didn't always agree with some of her opinions although I respected all she had to say.  I think she was an intellectual giant of a woman.

[Eleanor]

She started off being quite sceptical as I recall, but then her logic and common sense prevailed. She was always worth reading even if you didn't always agree with everything she wrote.

Yes, she did start out by being skeptical.  But then didn't we all, until it became too daft for words.  I was for about three months, although God knows why.  Just Preconceptions I suspect.

[Eleanor]

I didn't always agree with some of her opinions although I respected all she had to say.  I think she was an intellectual giant of a woman.

Her best epitaph.  I am pleased for that.

[G-Unit]

It is as plain as the nose on a face, Eleanor.

It is arrant stupidity to imagine that Scotland Yard or any investigating body would embark on any initiative major or minor without taking absolutely EVERYTHING - that is every miniscule record - of ALL the investigative work which had gone on before and putting it under the closest scrutiny. 

It beggars belief there are those who imagine it all wasn't gone over in fine detail which INCLUDED the investigation of witnesses ~ particularly the main ones.

Op Grange Remit

The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1. 

The activity, in the first instance, will be that of an ‘investigative review’.  This will entail a review of the whole of the investigation(s) which have been conducted in to the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

The focus of the review will be of the material held by three main stakeholders (and in the following order of primacy);

• The Portuguese Law Enforcement agencies.
• UK Law Enforcement agencies,
• Other private investigative agencies/staff and organisations.
  

The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before. 

It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.

The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness.

The work will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure, which will also manage the central relationships with other key stakeholders and provide continuing oversight and direction to the investigative remit.

End

"(as if the abduction occurred in the UK) "

Says it all - the crime was decided before they started.

[Eleanor]

"(as if the abduction occurred in the UK) "

Says it all - the crime was decided before they started.

This is such an abuse of words by you.  Unfortunately for you, you aren't very good with semantics.

Madeleine McCann was a British Child lost abroad, wherein the Judiciary were doing nothing to find her.  What else did you think Scotland Yard were going to do?

[Venturi Swirl]

"(as if the abduction occurred in the UK) "

Says it all - the crime was decided before they started.

Personally I think you read far too much into that one short phrase - this is exactly how conspiracy theories get started....

[Brietta]

"(as if the abduction occurred in the UK) "

Says it all - the crime was decided before they started.

I don't think I have ever encountered such a closed mind as yours or are all sceptics so inclined?

This review was not carried out in a vacuum.

It is stated categorically that all the evidence from previous investigations would be scrutinised and given appropriate weight and it starts off with the sentence ~
"The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1." What do you suppose their role might have been?  just sitting around twiddling their thumbs while they were having evidential rings run around them?

This was no ordinary review process.
"Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process."

Do you think the PJ evidence which exonerated the McCanns wasn't part of this review?

The McCanns had fought long and hard to reach this stage.  Do you realise that without the supporting evidence that could have been as far as as they might have managed to go with Madeleine's investigation?
That was not the case.
Evidence which should have been addressed starting in 2007 was found in abundance.  The incidence of intrusion into holiday accommodation where children were abused being paramount.

If no-one is looking for links they won't be found.  I think time will tell on that one if ever Brueckner is brought to trial on the beach assault on the little German ten year old whose assailant addressed her in English.

[Wonderfulspam]

The German investigators haven't contacted me with that information yet.  I'm sure they will have it just not ready to impart it yet.

I do know where he was on the 9th of May though.  He hadn't yet left Portugal for Germany by then, unless he had made a flying round trip there and back.

But it isn't really important for us to know the fine detail.  It is enough the BKA have sussed it out and have included it all in their chain of evidence.

The chain of evidence that leads to a total dead end, you mean?

That chain of evidence, that isn't sufficient to press charges against Brueckner any time in the foreseeable future, you mean?

Yes, that's some concrete stuff right there, isn't it.