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Offline faithlilly

Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« on: January 12, 2020, 12:53:12 AM »
An excellent opinion piece from a life long Tory on Johnsonís capacity for lying and why he canít be trusted.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/11/peter-oborne-s-diary-boris-johnson-s-nhs-lies-my-bulging-dossier-deceit-and

And Osborneís list of Johnsonís lies.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Does honesty in politics really not matter anymore and if it does why are we prepared to stomach Johnsonís terminal dishonesty ?

Offline mrswah

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Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2020, 07:21:13 PM »
IMO, of course it is important that politicians should be honest, and I doubt that Boris is the only one who has lied.

Why are we wiling to put up with him?  Many of us are not, but he won the election, so we have no choice--------unfortunately. 


Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2020, 05:44:43 PM »
Pertinent here too.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/the-conservative-party-anti-semitism-crisis-nobody-talks-about/06/12/#.Xh2StSyehxk.facebook
No, because people canít get over the letterbox comment, itís kind of boring now.  We expect Tories to be vile racist pigs though donít we?  Itís a given, so less commentworthy than when a right on, politically correct, inclusive ďhasnít-got-a-racist-bone-in-his-bodyĒ saint like JC turns a blind eye to it in his own party.  IMO.
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: ďYouíd better treat me fairly; otherwise, youíll pay a high cost.Ē On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2020, 06:14:15 PM »
No, because people canít get over the letterbox comment, itís kind of boring now.  We expect Tories to be vile racist pigs though donít we?  Itís a given, so less commentworthy than when a right on, politically correct, inclusive ďhasnít-got-a-racist-bone-in-his-bodyĒ saint like JC turns a blind eye to it in his own party.  IMO.

Turns a blind eye ? So far as leader he has put new procedures in place to deal with any claims of [ censored word]emitism quicker and has also mounted an investigation into the subject. That you and the vested interests donít feel that thatís enough is for you to deal with.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2020, 06:41:20 PM »
Turns a blind eye ? So far as leader he has put new procedures in place to deal with any claims of [ censored word]emitism quicker and has also mounted an investigation into the subject. That you and the vested interests donít feel that thatís enough is for you to deal with.
Yes, turned a blind eye, didnít act fast enough or firmly enough.  Dilly-dallied.  Weak, ineffectual leadership but, hey, this thread is about Boris isnít it?  I donít have to deal with anything, Labour do.  Sort it out!!
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: ďYouíd better treat me fairly; otherwise, youíll pay a high cost.Ē On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2020, 07:04:23 PM »
Yes, turned a blind eye, didnít act fast enough or firmly enough.  Dilly-dallied.  Weak, ineffectual leadership but, hey, this thread is about Boris isnít it?  I donít have to deal with anything, Labour do.  Sort it out!!


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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2020, 07:33:01 PM »
There will always turkeys who vote for Christmas IMO.  I suppose the views of all the Jews who left the party or who spoke out against Corbyn or who were racially abused by other Labour members or who encountered [ censored word]emitism within the party donít count.
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: ďYouíd better treat me fairly; otherwise, youíll pay a high cost.Ē On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2020, 07:49:30 PM »
There will always turkeys who vote for Christmas IMO.  I suppose the views of all the Jews who left the party or who spoke out against Corbyn or who were racially abused by other Labour members or who encountered [ censored word]emitism within the party donít count.

Name them....as I have ? ( please exclude those with preexisting ties to Israel- friendly groups or  organisations ).

BTW are you suggesting that the Jewish people mentioned in my post are too stupid not to recognise they are part of a party which tolerates ant-semitism ? Isnít that anti-Semitic in itself ?
« Last Edit: January 18, 2020, 09:50:32 PM by Faithlilly »

Offline Eleanor

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2020, 08:53:39 PM »

I was hoping not to have to comment, but Jew hating makes me sick to my stomach.  I will never be able to understand this.

But never mind eh!  We don't all feel like that.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2020, 09:03:28 PM »
I was hoping not to have to comment, but Jew hating makes me sick to my stomach.  I will never be able to understand this.

But never mind eh!  We don't all feel like that.

I will never understand any kind of racism.

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Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2020, 09:29:48 PM »
I was hoping not to have to comment, but Jew hating makes me sick to my stomach.  I will never be able to understand this.

But never mind eh!  We don't all feel like that.

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2020, 09:35:02 PM »
I will never understand any kind of racism.

And I believe that you don't.  But defining Racism is very difficult, and only too often something as seen as Racism when it actually isn't.

We demean the whole thing without much thought.

I have always been a little on the brown side.  My skin is darker than most English people, but then my father looked like  a Ghurka.  And never anyone more Irish than he was.

I have always been a bit pleased to be a bit more brown.  Crass by half, eh what.


Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2020, 11:10:51 PM »
Name them....as I have ? ( please exclude those with preexisting ties to Israel- friendly groups or  organisations ).

BTW are you suggesting that the Jewish people mentioned in my post are too stupid not to recognise they are part of a party which tolerates ant-semitism ? Isnít that anti-Semitic in itself ?
Of course itís not anti-semitic, or explain exactly why it is, then explain why it is not anti-semitic to criticise Jews who left the Labour Party on the grounds of [ censored word]emitism while youíre at it.. 

 You want the names of every Jew who quit the Labour Party because of anti-semitism, but on your terms only??  Thatís very reasonable Iím sure.  @)(++(*
ANGER MAKES US AWARE OF INJUSTICE
We often experience anger when we are denied rights or when faced with insults, disrespect, injustice, or exploitation. Anger serves as an internal guidance system that indicates something is not quite right, that someone has treated us unjustly or unfairly. Anger helps communicate to others: ďYouíd better treat me fairly; otherwise, youíll pay a high cost.Ē On a global level, standing up for a lack of fairness can prevent people from taking advantage of others. This type of anger can bring about positive change in society and increase the social cost of misbehaving.
The value of anger https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/value-of-anger-16-reasons-its-good-to-get-angry-0313175

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2020, 12:09:11 AM »
Of course itís not anti-semitic, or explain exactly why it is, then explain why it is not anti-semitic to criticise Jews who left the Labour Party on the grounds of [ censored word]emitism while youíre at it.. 

 You want the names of every Jew who quit the Labour Party because of anti-semitism, but on your terms only??  Thatís very reasonable Iím sure.  @)(++(*

The amount that I have posted who support Corbyn and the Labour Party will do.