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Offline G-Unit

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #480 on: January 28, 2019, 06:17:37 PM »
Cite please.

Where there is a reference to the 'main' evidence it's obviously not the only evidence. The rest of it can be found in his report which you can find here;

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

He told the court the main evidence for this was the findings of British police sniffer dogs sent to Portugal to examine the flat.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10539.msg511786#msg511786
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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #481 on: January 28, 2019, 06:20:01 PM »
Where there is a reference to the 'main' evidence it's obviously not the only evidence. The rest of it can be found in his report which you can find here;

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

He told the court the main evidence for this was the findings of British police sniffer dogs sent to Portugal to examine the flat.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10539.msg511786#msg511786

Did he not realise the alerts have no evidential value or reliability.....

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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #482 on: January 28, 2019, 06:25:22 PM »
He can have any opinion he wants... But he should not present it as fact...... When the, evidence does not support it..

Do you think saying A 'points to' B is a statement of fact?
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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #483 on: January 28, 2019, 06:25:57 PM »
Where there is a reference to the 'main' evidence it's obviously not the only evidence. The rest of it can be found in his report which you can find here;

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

He told the court the main evidence for this was the findings of British police sniffer dogs sent to Portugal to examine the flat.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10539.msg511786#msg511786
so remove the dog alerts and what have you got?  Pretty much nothing as evidenced by the report.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #484 on: January 28, 2019, 06:41:22 PM »
Do you think saying A 'points to' B is a statement of fact?

It is a, statement of fact

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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #485 on: January 28, 2019, 07:03:56 PM »
It is a, statement of fact

It isn't. It's a suggestion.
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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #486 on: January 28, 2019, 07:25:03 PM »
It isn't. It's a suggestion.
”A may point to B” is a suggestion.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #487 on: January 28, 2019, 07:28:57 PM »
It isn't. It's a suggestion.

Everything I have posted points to the PJ not having a proper understanding of the evidence

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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #488 on: January 28, 2019, 08:16:34 PM »
A may point to B is a sugestion.

If Madeleine's DNA was found behind rhe couch that could 'point to' various scenaruis. In Ameida's opinion it pointed to her death.
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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #489 on: January 28, 2019, 08:44:55 PM »
If Madeleine's DNA was found behind rhe couch that could 'point to' various scenaruis. In Ameida's opinion it pointed to her death.
So what?  Did he list all the possible scenarios?  Did he express any doubt? 
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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #490 on: January 28, 2019, 09:03:50 PM »
If Madeleine's DNA was found behind rhe couch that could 'point to' various scenaruis. In Ameida's opinion it pointed to her death.
Then it points to his poor logic in assessing evidence....

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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #491 on: January 28, 2019, 09:05:58 PM »
So what?  Did he list all the possible scenarios?  Did he express any doubt?

Why should he? Why shouldn't he form a belief? It seems to me that's endemic in this case.

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« Reply #492 on: January 28, 2019, 09:33:56 PM »
Why should he? Why shouldn't he form a belief? It seems to me that's endemic in this case.
As a professional his belief as articulated in an official document should be backed up by solid evidence.  He thought the dog alerts supported his belief but he was wrong to suppose it as they had no evidential value.. 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Brietta

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #493 on: January 28, 2019, 10:54:46 PM »
Why is it extraordinary that a DNA match for Madeleine was found in a place where it is known that she had been in residence?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #494 on: January 29, 2019, 06:35:32 AM »
As a professional his belief as articulated in an official document should be backed up by solid evidence.  He thought the dog alerts supported his belief but he was wrong to suppose it as they had no evidential value..

You seem to expect the police to conpletely ignore any dog alert that doesn't uncover a body or DNA. That would be ridiculous. 
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