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Offline slartibartfast

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2014, 07:14:44 PM »
I don't think that what Brenda did was Trolling.  But it wasn't very nice.  And it must be possible to put some other name to it that is against the law.  Probably Malicious Communications would have covered it.  But then it would cover Trolling as well.


That is a very worrying statement, basically you are saying what she did wasn't against the law but we should change the law so it becomes illegal.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2014, 07:19:07 PM »

That is a very worrying statement, basically you are saying what she did wasn't against the law but we should change the law so it becomes illegal.

No.  I am questioning the term Troll.  Malicious Communications are already against the law.  And she was being malicious.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2014, 07:25:52 PM »
No.  I am questioning the term Troll.  Malicious Communications are already against the law.  And she was being malicious.

I think you would struggle to prove she was being malicious. A lot easier to prove some of the posts about Amaral were malicious.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2014, 08:19:59 PM »
I think you would struggle to prove she was being malicious. A lot easier to prove some of the posts about Amaral were malicious.
Saying that the McCanns must suffer for the rest of their miserable lives is not malicious then in your view?  And that's just one tweet!

Offline slartibartfast

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2014, 08:26:32 PM »
Saying that the McCanns must suffer for the rest of their miserable lives is not malicious then in your view?  And that's just one tweet!

Quote
characterized by malice; intending or intended to do harm.

No not really malicious, unkind perhaps.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline John

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2014, 08:27:48 PM »
Blogger Richard Philips is back after having been warned off by 'men in suits'.   In one of his latest blogs he offers a view on the Internet Troll.

Friday, October 3, 2014

TROLLS

Before I return to analysis of evidence in McCann case I thought I would write a short post inspired by the recent internet troll saga in the McCann case.

TROLLS
First let me make my position crystal clear:

No one should feel it is their right to ridicule, insult, harass or make untrue or unprovable accusations about anyone, either on the internet, in newspapers on TV/radio or anywhere else. Freedom of speech is a right that carries with it responsibilities. No one should abuse this right.


There is absolutely no doubt that, for want of a better phrase, "internet trolls" comment on the McCann case. These people "infect" social media & the internet in general with inappropriate and occasionally highly offensive material. Trolls on both sides of the debate engage in these tactics. Anyone reading #mccann on twitter can quickly see the daily attempts by trolls on both sides to provoke, insult and attack the other.

Trolls who claim to support the McCann's clearly attempt to provoke more and more outrageous comments from their opponents. Once they succeed they then re-post these comments in a forlorn attempt to claim the moral high ground. These McCann supporting trolls also cherry pick items from the evidence and claim it "proves" their point while at the same time ignoring evidence that suggests the opposite. They insult anyone who questions their opinion, sometimes disgracefully invoking mental health issues. They present strawman arguments (effectively lying) in an effort to discredit their opponents position. They are rude, intolerant, aggressive and spiteful. Most claim to do this to support the McCann family, but how can their actions do anything of the sort? Pouring petrol on a fire doesn't put it out. If the McCann's are aware of their actions, it is hard to imagine they are not, they must surely be appalled by what they see.

Trolls, some of whom claim to support Madeleine, by claim that the evidence proves her parents are guilty of some crime (anything from negligence to murder) are equally shameful. For example there are large numbers of photoshopped images circulating. Some are obviously photoshopped and meant in jest (albeit often in very poor taste), but others are circulated as if they are genuine and can create an entirely false impression. Cherry picked items of evidence, often inaccurately quoted, are posted along with claims that this proves the McCann's guilt. Suggestions that there may be innocent explanations for these are ignored or ridiculed. They frequently accuse the McCann parents of various criminal acts, none of which can be proved & occasionally one will make an outrageous threat to harm the McCann family in some way. To claim that these actions are in any way supporting a missing child is ridiculous and offensive.

Facebook groups, Blogs and forums are similarly infected by these trolls. In my opinion none of the trolls has a genuine interest in any of the following:

1. Finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.
2. Supporting the McCann family over the loss of their daughter.
3. Finding Madeleine.

So I make this appeal to the trolls on both sides. STOP! If you write a tweet or post which only has as it's only purpose insulting, provoking or accusing someone else don't post it.

If you want to why not START, engaging in a proper discussion and analysis of the evidence. Accept your own shortcomings & the shortcomings of others and try to improve the overall level of understanding about this case and perhaps others. DON'T be taken in by propaganda from either side. READ the PJfiles http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ & RESEARCH other relevant information, such as interviews, press articles and background information using all means available to you.

Above all KEEP AN OPEN MIND & be receptive to different opinions and ideas.

Finally, NEVER forget that at the heart of this case is a missing girl who was almost 4 years old when she vanished & would be 11 now. She is more important than your petty point scoring and childish insults and games. Her disappearance remains an as yet unsolved mystery. At the time of publishing this blog anyone who claims different is a liar.


EVERYONE ELSE

Not everyone who comments on the McCann case online is a troll. There are people, who do seem to have a genuine interest in The McCann case. They fall into several categories

1. Those with a genuine interest in finding out what happened to Madeleine.

Some think the balance of evidence supports the abduction hypothesis, some think that it supports anything but the abduction hypothesis, some are genuinely undecided, but all seem to share a genuine interest in the mystery and choose to spend their leisure time discussing the evidence and various hypotheses to explain Madeleine's disappearance.

2. Those who campaign for missing people & children.

Usually these people believe that Madeleine was abducted, or take the view that it is better to believe this unless it is proven otherwise.

3. Those who are concerned about paedophilia and government cover-ups in the UK & who think the McCann case is an example of one or both.

Often referred to as "[ censored word ]s" such people are very important in a democracy. Usually they are completely mis-guided, but every now and again they shed light on something that really needs to be uncovered. Unfortunately they can be over zealous in their words and actions which gives more fuel for the McCann supporter trolls to throw on the flames.

4. Those with a casual interest in the case.

Posted by Richard Philips

www.my-mccann-thoughts.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/trolls.html
« Last Edit: October 16, 2014, 08:30:50 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2014, 08:33:28 PM »
Blogger Richard Philips is back after having been warned off by 'men in suits'.   In one of his latest blogs he offers a view on the Internet Troll.

Friday, October 3, 2014

TROLLS

Before I return to analysis of evidence in McCann case I thought I would write a short post inspired by the recent internet troll saga in the McCann case.

TROLLS
First let me make my position crystal clear:

No one should feel it is their right to ridicule, insult, harass or make untrue or unprovable accusations about anyone, either on the internet, in newspapers on TV/radio or anywhere else. Freedom of speech is a right that carries with it responsibilities. No one should abuse this right.


There is absolutely no doubt that, for want of a better phrase, "internet trolls" comment on the McCann case. These people "infect" social media & the internet in general with inappropriate and occasionally highly offensive material. Trolls on both sides of the debate engage in these tactics. Anyone reading #mccann on twitter can quickly see the daily attempts by trolls on both sides to provoke, insult and attack the other.

Trolls who claim to support the McCann's clearly attempt to provoke more and more outrageous comments from their opponents. Once they succeed they then re-post these comments in a forlorn attempt to claim the moral high ground. These McCann supporting trolls also cherry pick items from the evidence and claim it "proves" their point while at the same time ignoring evidence that suggests the opposite. They insult anyone who questions their opinion, sometimes disgracefully invoking mental health issues. They present strawman arguments (effectively lying) in an effort to discredit their opponents position. They are rude, intolerant, aggressive and spiteful. Most claim to do this to support the McCann family, but how can their actions do anything of the sort? Pouring petrol on a fire doesn't put it out. If the McCann's are aware of their actions, it is hard to imagine they are not, they must surely be appalled by what they see.

Trolls, some of whom claim to support Madeleine, by claim that the evidence proves her parents are guilty of some crime (anything from negligence to murder) are equally shameful. For example there are large numbers of photoshopped images circulating. Some are obviously photoshopped and meant in jest (albeit often in very poor taste), but others are circulated as if they are genuine and can create an entirely false impression. Cherry picked items of evidence, often inaccurately quoted, are posted along with claims that this proves the McCann's guilt. Suggestions that there may be innocent explanations for these are ignored or ridiculed. They frequently accuse the McCann parents of various criminal acts, none of which can be proved & occasionally one will make an outrageous threat to harm the McCann family in some way. To claim that these actions are in any way supporting a missing child is ridiculous and offensive.

Facebook groups, Blogs and forums are similarly infected by these trolls. In my opinion none of the trolls has a genuine interest in any of the following:

1. Finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.
2. Supporting the McCann family over the loss of their daughter.
3. Finding Madeleine.

So I make this appeal to the trolls on both sides. STOP! If you write a tweet or post which only has as it's only purpose insulting, provoking or accusing someone else don't post it.

If you want to why not START, engaging in a proper discussion and analysis of the evidence. Accept your own shortcomings & the shortcomings of others and try to improve the overall level of understanding about this case and perhaps others. DON'T be taken in by propaganda from either side. READ the PJfiles http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ & RESEARCH other relevant information, such as interviews, press articles and background information using all means available to you.

Above all KEEP AN OPEN MIND & be receptive to different opinions and ideas.

Finally, NEVER forget that at the heart of this case is a missing girl who was almost 4 years old when she vanished & would be 11 now. She is more important than your petty point scoring and childish insults and games. Her disappearance remains an as yet unsolved mystery. At the time of publishing this blog anyone who claims different is a liar.


EVERYONE ELSE

Not everyone who comments on the McCann case online is a troll. There are people, who do seem to have a genuine interest in The McCann case. They fall into several categories

1. Those with a genuine interest in finding out what happened to Madeleine.

Some think the balance of evidence supports the abduction hypothesis, some think that it supports anything but the abduction hypothesis, some are genuinely undecided, but all seem to share a genuine interest in the mystery and choose to spend their leisure time discussing the evidence and various hypotheses to explain Madeleine's disappearance.

2. Those who campaign for missing people & children.

Usually these people believe that Madeleine was abducted, or take the view that it is better to believe this unless it is proven otherwise.

3. Those who are concerned about paedophilia and government cover-ups in the UK & who think the McCann case is an example of one or both.

Often referred to as "[ censored word ]s" such people are very important in a democracy. Usually they are completely mis-guided, but every now and again they shed light on something that really needs to be uncovered. Unfortunately they can be over zealous in their words and actions which gives more fuel for the McCann supporter trolls to throw on the flames.

4. Those with a casual interest in the case.

Posted by Richard Philips

www.my-mccann-thoughts.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/trolls.html

Quite sensible.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2014, 08:36:06 PM »
Hilarious!  "Richard Phillips" is a multi-hatted twitter troll himself. 

Offline Brietta

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2014, 08:36:29 PM »
Saying that the McCanns must suffer for the rest of their miserable lives is not malicious then in your view?  And that's just one tweet!


Screeds on it at this link.

I've had a quick read and imo collars are going to be felt ... and the sooner the better.

>>snip<<
Harassment of an individual can also occur when a person is harassing others connected with the individual, knowing that this behaviour will affect their victim as well as the other people that the person appears to be targeting their actions towards. This is known as 'stalking by proxy'. Family members, friends and employees of the victim may be subjected to this.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/stalking_and_harassment/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2014, 08:55:14 PM »
Saying that the McCanns must suffer for the rest of their miserable lives is not malicious then in your view?  And that's just one tweet!

Also quite ironic..

My own comment is not meant unkindly, and in the main, I don't stand in judgement on anyone who takes his or her own life, but I would say that the depths of misery and despair that drives someone to a step so final must be extreme.

Brenda didn't want the McCanns to feel misery that extreme.

Did she?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2014, 09:02:26 PM »

Screeds on it at this link.

I've had a quick read and imo collars are going to be felt ... and the sooner the better.

>>snip<<
Harassment of an individual can also occur when a person is harassing others connected with the individual, knowing that this behaviour will affect their victim as well as the other people that the person appears to be targeting their actions towards. This is known as 'stalking by proxy'. Family members, friends and employees of the victim may be subjected to this.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/stalking_and_harassment/

So she was harassing employees of the McCanns?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2014, 10:20:15 PM »
No not really malicious, unkind perhaps.
malicious
[muh-lish-uh s]  IPA  Syllables
Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
full of, characterized by, or showing malice; malevolent; spiteful:
malicious gossip.
2.
Law. vicious, wanton, or mischievous in motivation or purpose.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2014, 05:19:38 PM »
From what I have seen from some posters on this forum a troll is someone who doesn't believe the McCannns are criminally involved in Maddie's disappearance and dares to suggest that the McCanns are telling the truth...that seems to be  a fairly accurate description

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2014, 05:25:33 PM »
From what I have seen from some posters on this forum a troll is someone who doesn't believe the McCannns are criminally involved in Maddie's disappearance and dares to suggest that the McCanns are telling the truth...that seems to be  a fairly accurate description

If you look closely, you will find  that you and others make personal jibes about people being mentally ill- if THEY DO NOT BELIEVE the McCanns -  also I have been called a paedophile supporter by McCann supporter for daring to suggest that a 'suspect' has the same rights to silence as did Kate McCann. 
« Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 05:28:51 PM by Eleanor »
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: What is an 'internet troll'?
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2014, 05:31:43 PM »
The 'abductor' is probably there... riding a bike and cackling loudly at his deviant behavior...


You see...Davel could not resist making it personal. Trolling... Is your argument lost perchance?  Yes, I think so!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin