Amaral and the dogs

[stephen25000]

According to his book Mr Amaral had already determined that his theory was the only game in town. 

As far as he was concerned, even before the first sniff occurred, there could only be one outcome ... "Their mission: to find Madeleine’s body and expose those responsible." Amaral Chapter 17.

Thus the mindset for the classic mistake of trying to make the evidence fit the theory distorted the outcome, or lack of it, of the dogs visit.

Whilst the mindset of the mccann supporters says abduction or nothing.

Sounds familiar.

[Mr Gray]

Whilst the mindset of the mccann supporters says abduction or nothing.

Sounds familiar.

you can't even get that right...I've always said abduction is by far the most likely

[stephen25000]

you can't even get that right...I've always said abduction is by far the most likely

Of course dave.

That's why you back it 100%.

[G-Unit]

Re the Archiving Report

Nevertheless all the possibilities were still there when the case was archived. No conclusion was reached as to what happened.

While it is an unavoidable fact that Madeleine disappeared from Apartment 5A of the 'Ocean Club', the manner and circumstances under which this happened are not - despite the numerous diligences made in that sense -, therefore the range of crimes that were indicated and referred to during the inquiry remains untouched.

Concerning the other indicated crimes, they are no more than that and despite our perception that, due to its high degree of probability, the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, such cannot be more than a mere supposition, due to the lack of sustaining elements in the files.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[Brietta]

"More recently, it’s Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder."  Amaral: chapter 17



Actually ... no he did not.  But what is one more inaccuracy in a book which is full of inaccuracies. 

Sometimes mistakes are made and when they are they should be acknowledged as such. 

It is remarkable that the 'field full of bodies' as indicated by the use of ground radar has not become an urban legend or that Eddie's 'alerts' to the infant skull never mention that it was actually a very old coconut shell http://metro.co.uk/2008/05/18/skull-fragment-is-not-bone-145799/   or that the 'alert' in the bunker was to semen and blood.
I don't think there is much to say about a children's home and the discovery of milk teeth.




Jersey ‘graves’ could be ‘Bergerac TV props’
Tuesday 4 Mar 2008 4:39 pm

**snip
A police source told The Times:

The field was turned into a graveyard.

They used fibreglass gravestones but they were going to have a burial scene, so they also actually dug a number of full graves.
The full graves go quite deep. They were filled in, and the places where there had been digging registered on the radar.

No-one realised until one of the local officers pointed it out.”

The source said that when Lenny Harper, the deputy chief officer of Jersey Police, was told the real reason they had found so many suspicious spots was because of Bergerac, “he put his head in his hands and uttered a few choice words.

However they added that the search was now being done with the knowledge that there may be an alternative explanation, The Times claimed.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2008/03/04/jersey-graves-could-be-bergerac-tv-props-23444/#ixzz3fEH9kpQE

[Brietta]

Nevertheless all the possibilities were still there when the case was archived. No conclusion was reached as to what happened.

While it is an unavoidable fact that Madeleine disappeared from Apartment 5A of the 'Ocean Club', the manner and circumstances under which this happened are not - despite the numerous diligences made in that sense -, therefore the range of crimes that were indicated and referred to during the inquiry remains untouched.

Concerning the other indicated crimes, they are no more than that and despite our perception that, due to its high degree of probability, the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, such cannot be more than a mere supposition, due to the lack of sustaining elements in the files.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

" ... it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment "
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Seems a rational conclusion and summed up very succinctly ... yet Mr Amaral took it upon himself to write a book in which he levelled the most scurrilous accusations possible at the parents of the missing child whose case he failed to come even close to solving during his tenure.

[pegasus]

"medium man" should be "average man".

[G-Unit]

"More recently, it’s Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder."  Amaral: chapter 17



Actually ... no he did not.  But what is one more inaccuracy in a book which is full of inaccuracies. 

Sometimes mistakes are made and when they are they should be acknowledged as such. 

It is remarkable that the 'field full of bodies' as indicated by the use of ground radar has not become an urban legend or that Eddie's 'alerts' to the infant skull never mention that it was actually a very old coconut shell http://metro.co.uk/2008/05/18/skull-fragment-is-not-bone-145799/   or that the 'alert' in the bunker was to semen and blood.
I don't think there is much to say about a children's home and the discovery of milk teeth.




Jersey ‘graves’ could be ‘Bergerac TV props’
Tuesday 4 Mar 2008 4:39 pm

**snip
A police source told The Times:

The field was turned into a graveyard.

They used fibreglass gravestones but they were going to have a burial scene, so they also actually dug a number of full graves.
The full graves go quite deep. They were filled in, and the places where there had been digging registered on the radar.

No-one realised until one of the local officers pointed it out.”

The source said that when Lenny Harper, the deputy chief officer of Jersey Police, was told the real reason they had found so many suspicious spots was because of Bergerac, “he put his head in his hands and uttered a few choice words.

However they added that the search was now being done with the knowledge that there may be an alternative explanation, The Times claimed.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2008/03/04/jersey-graves-could-be-bergerac-tv-props-23444/#ixzz3fEH9kpQE

The Jersey abuse case is not finished, of course. Just like the Zapata case it could turn out that Eddie will be vindicated in the end.

Police investigating child abuse claims on the island of Jersey say they are set to question 13 celebrities, politicians and sports stars.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111224/Police-set-question-thirteen-celebrities-politicians-sports-stars-investigation-historic-child-abuse-island-Jersey.html#ixzz3fElmYJ6b
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[Miss Taken Identity]

" ... it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment "
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Seems a rational conclusion and summed up very succinctly ... yet Mr Amaral took it upon himself to write a book in which he levelled the most scurrilous accusations possible at the parents of the missing child whose case he failed to come even close to solving during his tenure.

...And you know this because?

I think the dogs are exceptionally clever. Without physical evidence the barking can only be a guessing summation, although I do believe Amaral did what most police would do, that is look for other circumstantial evidence and see what they come up with- Amaral and the PJ came up with a thesis...

[Brietta]

The Jersey abuse case is not finished, of course. Just like the Zapata case it could turn out that Eddie will be vindicated in the end.

Police investigating child abuse claims on the island of Jersey say they are set to question 13 celebrities, politicians and sports stars.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111224/Police-set-question-thirteen-celebrities-politicians-sports-stars-investigation-historic-child-abuse-island-Jersey.html#ixzz3fElmYJ6b
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Hmmm ... I doubt if even Operation Yewtree will dig up any more than Eddie did ... particularly since unlike Savile there are some who are alive and kicking and ready to defend their names ... much as Freddie Starr is doing in a libel action against a woman whose 'story' is worth researching.
It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.



Freddie Starr will not be prosecuted, CPS confirms
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27294888

Freddie Starr libel trial: Karin Ward insists she told the truth to BBC and ITV about dressing room encounter
 http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/freddie-starr-libel-trial-karin-ward-felt-pressured-newsnight-interview-did-not-know-comments-itv

[Carana]

The simple answer is that you cannot teach a dog a negative.  A dog which is trained to react to specific substances will only react to those substances.  If you require that the dog will never react to blood then blood will have been meticulously absent from his or her training regime.  It's not a case of ignoring blood, rather a case of reacting to that which they have been taught to react to.  A dog will always smell blood but if trained to find only cadaver then only cadaver it will find.

In order to separate blood from cadaver then three dogs are required.

Dog A reacts only to blood.
Dog B reacts only to cadaver.
Dog C reacts to both.

How do you separate molecules of blood from the rest of a cadaver (decomposing muscles, etc)? And what would the purpose be?

[Carana]

I would go further.... A dog not alerting does not rule out cadaver odour

That seems logical to me if there is a margin of error either way.

[ferryman]

Nevertheless all the possibilities were still there when the case was archived. No conclusion was reached as to what happened.

While it is an unavoidable fact that Madeleine disappeared from Apartment 5A of the 'Ocean Club', the manner and circumstances under which this happened are not - despite the numerous diligences made in that sense -, therefore the range of crimes that were indicated and referred to during the inquiry remains untouched.

Concerning the other indicated crimes, they are no more than that and despite our perception that, due to its high degree of probability, the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, such cannot be more than a mere supposition, due to the lack of sustaining elements in the files.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

No conclusion was reached as to what happened.

Only about what didn't happen, namely, that the McCanns played no part in the disappearance of their (loved and cherished!) daughter.

[Brietta]

How do you separate molecules of blood from the rest of a cadaver (decomposing muscles, etc)? And what would the purpose be?

That is the problem I have with it, Carana.  Blood is part of the decomposition process.  No-one knows exactly what makes up the components of that and exactly what it is the dogs are smelling.

[G-Unit]

Hmmm ... I doubt if even Operation Yewtree will dig up any more than Eddie did ... particularly since unlike Savile there are some who are alive and kicking and ready to defend their names ... much as Freddie Starr is doing in a libel action against a woman whose 'story' is worth researching.
It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.



Freddie Starr will not be prosecuted, CPS confirms
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27294888

Freddie Starr libel trial: Karin Ward insists she told the truth to BBC and ITV about dressing room encounter
 http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/freddie-starr-libel-trial-karin-ward-felt-pressured-newsnight-interview-did-not-know-comments-itv

The investigation is Operation Whistle, not Yewtree.