Amaral and the dogs

[ferryman]

So what do you deduce from the fact that Eddie did not alert in the bathroom ?

Was Eddie deployed in the bathroom?

[pegasus]

Was Eddie deployed in the bathroom?

Yes here is 5a bathroom http://youtu.be/c4NMYPsFKb8?t=17m23s

[misty]

So what do you deduce from the fact that Eddie did not alert in the bathroom ?

Nothing can be deduced.
She could have drowned in the bath & her body left in cold water for a few hours to slow the rate of decomposition.

[Angelo222]

No conclusion was reached as to what happened.

Only about what didn't happen, namely, that the McCanns played no part in the disappearance of their (loved and cherished!) daughter.

The AG couldn't state any such thing since nobody knows what happened to Maddie or who if anyone was involved in her disappearance.

He most certainly never cleared anyone!

[Angelo222]

That is the problem I have with it, Carana.  Blood is part of the decomposition process.  No-one knows exactly what makes up the components of that and exactly what it is the dogs are smelling.

To a dog, cadaver odour and blood smell completely differently and that is why a dog taught to detect only cadaver odour will only alert to cadaver odour.  That is the mistake which Martin Grime made in PdL, he used the wrong dogs.

[pegasus]

The current SIO has worked on a case where a dog was incredibly reliable.

 

[Angelo222]

Pathfinder needs a new Sat Nav.

While it is an unavoidable fact that Madeleine disappeared from Apartment 5A of the 'Ocean Club', the manner and circumstances under which this happened are not - despite the numerous diligences made in that sense -, therefore the range of crimes that were indicated and referred to during the inquiry remains untouched.

(Portuguese prosecutors, who reached that conclusion without a reconstitution).

They had no choice given the ever-so-cooperative tapas groups' decision to not cooperate.

[Carana]

It's hypocritical when the first arguido fully co-operated. So what makes them any different. Parents are always suspects in these cases so it's not like they didn't know it was going to happen at some stage if it remained unsolved.

The first arguido was in mid-May 2007. At that stage, he hadn't been through months of lurid half-baked allegations fluttering out of PJ windows.

[Carana]

Nothing can be deduced.
She could have drowned in the bath & her body left in cold water for a few hours to slow the rate of decomposition.

As one does on holiday. If that had been the case, why didn't Eddie alert to the bathtub?

[Eleanor]

The first arguido was in mid-May 2007. At that stage, he hadn't been through months of lurid half-baked allegations fluttering out of PJ windows.

He also understood how the system worked, lies and all.  And he spoke Portuguese.

[Carana]

He also understood how the system worked, lies and all.  And he spoke Portuguese.

I'm not sure that even he realised that his attempts to be helpful made the tabloids equate him with Ian Huntley.

He brought a lawyer with him during the latest round, didn't he?

[Eleanor]

I'm not sure that even he realised that his attempts to be helpful made the tabloids equate him with Ian Huntley.

He brought a lawyer with him during the latest round, didn't he?

There was a lawyer kicking around somewhere throughout.  I think he asked to be made an Arguido which would have allowed him to have a lawyer present.

[Carana]

To a dog, cadaver odour and blood smell completely differently and that is why a dog taught to detect only cadaver odour will only alert to cadaver odour.  That is the mistake which Martin Grime made in PdL, he used the wrong dogs.

AFAIK, there is no such thing as a unique cadaver odour (at least to a dog).

Think about it.

A whole decomposing body will have a different smell to different body parts. Each will give off a certain "bouquet", and each varies according to the stage.

You don't have to be a springer spaniel to distinguish between the smell of liver, kidney and steak do you? A rotting bit of offal won't smell the same as a 10-year-old bone that your dog happened to have hidden under your sofa.

[Carana]

There was a lawyer kicking around somewhere throughout.  I think he asked to be made an Arguido which would have allowed him to have a lawyer present.

I don't know whether he asked, whether his lawyer insisted, or whether that was simply part of the PT protection measures undertaken for questioning by a foreign police force.

Was he an arguido in this latest round? He did apparently have a lawyer present (so would I have done), but the laws changed, enabling a lawyer to be present even if you're interviewed as a witness, so that doesn't actually mean much.

[misty]

As one does on holiday. If that had been the case, why didn't Eddie alert to the bathtub?

If it takes approx. 90 mins at an average room temperature for cadaverine to be discernible to a VRD's senses, so how much longer would the process take if the body was in cold water?
I'm not saying that is what happened - far from it - but the dog not alerting to the bath actually proves nothing....unless someone spotted a man in a wetsuit, carrying a little girl, wandering around after 7pm.