The Defence Will State Their Case

[mrswah]

Your premise is that they might have broken him down and that's why he admitted to the crime. However, they were accusing him of murder NOT manslaughter - IF as you suggest, they 'broke' him, then how come he didn't give them what they wanted? That isn't a broken person, it's someone still in full control - he was happy to go through a trial and pretty happy (as your previous post suggests) to take the stand - not really sounding much like a broken man.

Lots of guilty people state that 'they can't remember' because to tell what they know would incriminate them further. Had he been innocent, don't you think he'd have wanted to appeal on those very grounds?

Some of us know because logic prevails.


You don't know, Caroline, and neither do the rest of us.

It does seem, to me, and, from what I read, a number of others,  that if VT did kill Joanna, it was an accident. So, I wonder why he hasn't appealed against the murder conviction?  Who knows.

I don't know whether he was happy to take the stand or not. I'm just going by what William Clegg QC says. He is a QC, he was VT's defence counsel, so who am I to disbelieve him?  I wouldn't dare!!!!

[Myster]

An accident?!!!  With 43 separate cuts, bruises, a fractured nose and strangulation 'till the life was sucked out her!!!  You've certainly got a strange set of priorities, mrswah, and should start living in the real world !

[mrswah]

An accident?!!!  With 43 separate cuts, bruises, a fractured nose and strangulation 'till the life was sucked out her!!!  You've certainly got a strange set of priorities, mrswah, and should start living in the real world !

I bet you wouldn't say that to William Clegg QC !


I live very much in the real world, thank you! Cleaned the whole house today, cooked dinner for Mr Wah, and went shopping. Oh, and was up at 6am, taking the dog out. That's the real world, and I'm sure you know that as well as I do. As for having strange priorities, I don't have a lot of time for them!


On a more serious point, many of Joanna's injuries may have been caused by all that equipment that was used to retrieve her body from Longwood Lane.

[Caroline]

You don't know, Caroline, and neither do the rest of us.

It does seem, to me, and, from what I read, a number of others,  that if VT did kill Joanna, it was an accident. So, I wonder why he hasn't appealed against the murder conviction?  Who knows.

I don't know whether he was happy to take the stand or not. I'm just going by what William Clegg QC says. He is a QC, he was VT's defence counsel, so who am I to disbelieve him?  I wouldn't dare!!!!

I don't know for sure that tomorrow the sun will come up, there is a slim possibility that some catastrophic event could prevent it. I'm pretty certain that won't happen - I would lay odds on VT killing JY higher.

[mrswah]

I don't know for sure that tomorrow the sun will come up, there is a slim possibility that some catastrophic event could prevent it. I'm pretty certain that won't happen - I would lay odds on VT killing JY higher.

So would I.

Of course the sun will come up-----whether or not it will shine is another matter!

[Caroline]

So would I.

Of course the sun will come up-----whether or not it will shine is another matter!

That should have said 'lower' - you don't know the sun will come up, but the odds of VT being guilty are much the same. He isn't arguing about it!

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Smoke and Mirrors or Mirrored truth??

Sherlock Holmes... If the first letter of the message is a consonant, then what follows is the mirrored truth...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI4trhYnsSg

Is that what the media have been doing?? The mirrored truth??

I keep saying everything is opposite ......

So is it crack the code to find the truth?? Or everything is the opposite of what we have been told!!

[Caroline]

Smoke and Mirrors or Mirrored truth??

Sherlock Holmes... If the first letter of the message is a consonant, then what follows is the mirrored truth...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI4trhYnsSg

Is that what the media have been doing?? The mirrored truth??

I keep saying everything is opposite ......

So is it crack the code to find the truth?? Or everything is the opposite of what we have been told!!

What?

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Exactly.....  Makes as much sense as this case 

[Caroline]

It's totally logical.

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So what is The Joanna Yeates case?? Is it what we believe it to be ??

Is the case a real case?? Is Dr Vincent Tabak in prison?? 

Did Joanna Yeates exist, did she die??  Or is Operation Braid, The Joanna Yeates Case one and the same as Operation Braid the fraud and tax inquiry??

And have I wasted all this time chasing an imaginary man called Dr Vincent Tabak whom I felt had been unfairly treated??

And if he didn't exist and was part of a sting operation, then what of the trial??

Or is he in prison for a none existent crime?


I don't know anymore... I always say none of this makes any sense.... And it doesn't....(imo)

[Caroline]

So what is The Joanna Yeates case?? Is it what we believe it to be ??

Is the case a real case?? Is Dr Vincent Tabak in prison?? 

Did Joanna Yeates exist, did she die??  Or is Operation Braid, The Joanna Yeates Case one and the same as Operation Braid the fraud and tax inquiry??

And have I wasted all this time chasing an imaginary man called Dr Vincent Tabak whom I felt had been unfairly treated??

And if he didn't exist and was part of a sting operation, then what of the trial??

Or is he in prison for a none existent crime?


I don't know anymore... I always say none of this makes any sense.... And it doesn't....(imo)

Why are you doing this?

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Why are you doing this?

I don't know to be honest Carolyn, nothing makes sense....

I'll do one more post after this one, and see if you can answer the question I pose at the end of the post...

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(44): Dc Jon Hook................

DC Jon Hook.... ??

NEW YEAR'S HONOURS FOR TWO OFFICERS FROM AVON AND SOMERSET POLICE

“Community cop” PC Adrian Secker and detective Jon Hook have received awards in the New Year’s Honours.
Fifty three-year-old Adrian – affectionately known as “Adge” by work colleagues and the local community in Bath – has been awarded the British Empire Medal (BEM), while DC John Hook, also aged 53, of the force’s Major Crime Investigation Team, has been awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for his work helping and supporting the families of murder victims.

From the Polices website..


From Canygne Road


I have attached an image of Jon Hook on Canygne Road at the time of the investigation and compared it to the above image.... I cannot say for sure if they are the same person... But I thought I'd post it anyway.... (I have added said image.. compare the two above images)..

Here we have confirmation of Jon's involvement with the Joanna Yeates case, even though, I hadn't heard him mentioned at all, but had discovered who he was because of another TV program he had been on..

Jon discarded his uniform when he moved to central Bristol district CID and then onto the Major Crime Investigation Team (MCIT).

He said that there had been many highs and lows during his police career – working with the families of murder victims is always tragic but if the help and assistance he had provided was of some comfort he was extremely honoured.

The murders of Evon Berry, Nicholas Robinson, Joanna Yeates, Jama Powell and Becky Watts were among some high profile cases in which Jon has been involved but he said that every case was equally as important to him and helping the families of the victims.

Jon said: “I was privileged to be able to contribute to the making of “The Murder Detectvies” which showcased the work we do and portrayed Avon and Somerset Police in such a positive light.

Which family did he work with in the Joanna Yeates Case???

Turning to DC Jon Hook, the Chief Constable said: “I’ve known Jon for more than 20 years and if there was one person you would want in your team it is Jon.

“The consummate professional, he has played a key role in many of the major murder investigations undertaken in Avon and Somerset – and also in neighbouring Gloucestershire and Wiltshire – as a family liaison officer.

“This is a specialist role, which can at times be traumatic and demanding. It requires a very understanding individual to take on this difficult role, working closely with the families of victims, consoling, supporting and reassuring them at what is often the worst period of their lives. Jon has demonstrated the skill to carry out the role with real compassion and humility.

“Through fulfilling this role, Jon has also built trust in policing among communities where that trust did not previously exist. Jon is a tireless champion for fairness and justice in society.

“I congratulate both Adge and Jon on the announcement of their respective awards,” said the Chief Constable.

Posted on Wednesday 2nd January 2019

So he is a Family Liaison Officer.... So why was he taking Peter Stanley to Avon and Somersets Police station on the 31st December 2010??

Nothing makes sense or adds up..... ever....!!

“I would like to take the opportunity to thank all the people within the organisation – past and present -who have supported me over the years and continue to do so.

“I have worked for the police for 27 years and I have had the privilege of working with fantastic people within the community and with Avon and Somerset Police. I am shocked that I have been honoured in this way. It is truly humbling – there are more deserving people than me.

“I gratefully accept the award on behalf of the organisation, my colleagues, the Major Crime Investigation Team and all the families of the murder victims across the Brunel Collaboration,” said Jon.

Jon tells us what you did in The Joanna Yeates Murder case please... I keep trying to work it out.....

We know have 3 Family Liaison Officers

* DC Jon Hook....  Who for??

* DC Russ Jones (Yeates)

* DC Emma Davies (Yeates? Reardon)

Thank you for your thoughts. We would like to thank the police liaison officers, Emma and Russ, for their consideration towards us, and as far as they could keeping us informed of developments. We would also like to express our appreciation to the members of Operation Braid for giving up their time, especially over the festive period, and their efforts in apprehending Jo’s killer.

So what happened to DC Jon Hook??

Joanna Yeates murder: Christopher Jefferies questioned / new witness
Joanna Yeates murder: Christopher Jefferies questioned / new witness; Joanna Yeates murder: Christopher Jefferies questioned / new witness; ENGLAND: Somerset: Bristol: EXT Peter Stanley (Neighbour of murder victim Joanna Yeates and Chris Jefferies, who has been arrested on suspicion of her murder) from building where he lives with a police officer and to car (numberplate obscured) Stanley sitting in car Car being driven away

Credit:   ITN
Clip #:   665467820   SD
Collection:   ITN
Date created:   31 December, 2010

video....
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/christopher-jefferies-questioned-new-witness-joanna-news-footage/665467820

Why is DC Jon Hook getting into Peter Stanleys car??  And what connection does PS have to the case other than helping starting the car of Greg Reardon??.... Why would PS need a Family Liason Officer???

So many questions... It's never ending......  The article states that DC Jon Hook was involved with The Joanna Yeates case.... He's role through his career appears to be an Family Liaison Officer

DC Jon Hook is a member of the Major Crime Investigation Team, providing support to the regional and collaborative services.

His citation confirms he has been given the award for “distinguished service” to the police.

He has given almost three decades service to the police, including much of the time spent in his specialist role as a family liaison officer. This can be at times traumatic and demanding and requires a very special person to work with the families of victims, giving them support and reassurance when they need it most.

So who's family Liaison Officer was DC Jon Hook??? Seeing as it''s his specialist role???

I'm sure he deserves his award... I just want to clarify his role in The Joanna Yeates Murder Investigation....

Who's Family Liaison Officer was he?? If not what did he actually do??  We saw him collect forensic bags... But they could have sent a forensic Officer to do that....


You see Carolyn nothing is as it seems, so many people on scene at Canygne Road....

Edit..

A Bristol policeman who has helped the families of some of the city's most shocking and brutal murders has been named in the Queen's New Year's Honours list.

Many will remember the tragic stories of the likes of Joanna Yeates, Jama Powell and Becky Watts .


It was Det Con Jon Hook who worked with the victim's families during the truly heartbreaking period of losing a loved one in the most awful of circumstances.

As a member of Avon and Somerset Constabulary's Major Crime Investigation Team, his job is to help and support the families of those victims of serious crime.

Double Edit.. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8194.msg434516;topicseen#msg434516



https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/meet-police-officer-one-hardest-2371200


https://www.avonandsomerset-pcc.gov.uk/News-and-Events/News-Archive/2019/January/New-Year's-Honours-for-two-officers-from-Avon-and-Somerset-Police.aspx

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8856277/Joanna-Yeates-family-statement-in-full.html

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3178118

[Caroline]

I don't know to be honest Carolyn, nothing makes sense....

I'll do one more post after this one, and see if you can answer the question I pose at the end of the post...

Caroline.