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Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2022, 01:09:00 AM »
They can but there is no evidence that they did. BTW when did Jodi find out about Luke’s ‘bit on the side’? She was described as upbeat when she left the house.

Probably that morning in school (hence why they had their backs to one another in the China Gardens and not talking). Jodi's phone was broken that day, so one plausible theory is that she used LM's phone quite a lot that day and found communications between the two.

Here's a link re LM's bit on the side:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/31/1



Offline Myster

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2022, 05:21:35 AM »
Probably that morning in school (hence why they had their backs to one another in the China Gardens and not talking). Jodi's phone was broken that day, so one plausible theory is that she used LM's phone quite a lot that day and found communications between the two.

Here's a link re LM's bit on the side:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/31/1
The link didn't work for me, so I just cut Google reference out...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/31/1
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Parky41

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2022, 12:34:40 PM »
Faith, happy to have been of assistance to your young relative. The 'gig' happened and Luke with Jodi attended.

We can simply apply context of what would certainly have made her (Jodi) upbeat that day. This girl had been carrying out different forms of punishment over a course of weeks, still semi grounded until she completed daily chores. Her arrival home from school that day saw that punishment lifted in full, her time once more her own.
 
She had no phone, she had not been using her mothers phone nor landline daily, to arrange any meetings with Mitchell over the course of time her phone was broken, she had been making arrangements with him at school around times to meet. Chores completed by around 6pm and it is from this we can apply their recent 'normal' time of meeting being just that. Changing that day and contacting him, she did not have to wait, she was free to go out at this earlier than could have been anticipated time.

No phone logs produced (over the broken phone period) to back up Mitchells claims that there was no pre arranged meeting time, that he had to make dinner and did not go out until around 6pm. He may very well have stayed home for dinner but it was around when Jodi was allowed out, he had no restrictions as such. Again, one is being asked to believe that the older brother, normally home well before Luke would have the 14yr old making his dinner for him. If dinner was usually over by 6pm in the Mitchell home, it is indictive of the mother making it upon her arrival home. The boys perhaps helping at points with preparation, peeling the "totties" for instance.

KT and Jodi, the two girls in Mitchells life, one showering him with adoration in person, the other hanging onto his every word with that constant communication by phone. It is not about Mitchells feelings towards these girls, it is about their feelings, how they felt their place was in his life. Absolutely nothing to do with, 'he was hardly in love, not demanding to go see her, travelling those couple of hours' It is about the deceit, trying to distance himself from any involvement with KT, lying about the relationship and constant communication, of planning to meet with her once more in the school break. It has everything to do with a young girl and having her trust broken. Of adoration turning to confrontation and accusation, upset and wanting to have it out with him. Being allowed out earlier than anticipated would have been beneficial to releasing those pent up feelings, having that 'set to' sooner rather than later! - So yes, it is not at all difficult to realise why this girl was upbeat that day.

Contacting one person only and that person was LM to let him know of this change. Leaving home shortly afterwards to meet with him. LM seen with this girl at the lane tying in with her confirmed time of leaving home. She had no phone, no means of contacting anyone else. That phone plays a key part to several things;

A young girl who knew what danger was, articulate and bright. The ban on that path, of placing herself into dangerous situations. She had no phone, no security, no back, no means of reaching out for help. And again, the person she was leaving to meet knew this, her killer knew she had nothing to reach out with.

The utter nonsense, the complete bollocks - Of a boy who knew of that ban, knew the dangers of that path, knew his girlfriend had no phone, no security, no back up - Claiming to have simply hung around for the best part of 90mins, her non arrival in Newbattle and toddling off to see his pals. Instantly back on the phone to them, chasing them up, wondering where the hell they were! He was setting alibi in place, plain and simple.

And please with the repetitive bleat of pass the buck. Jodi's family were blindsided, it was early evening, around dinner time, they had no idea if Luke was simply running late, where Jodi may have been waiting for him "Up here"  The grans, anywhere but that path. That is the difference, massively. That without a doubt, that no further call from Mitchell had her family believing fully they had met and were spending the night together. The first person contacted when her curfew time past by, was LM. Of meeting with LM and asking him why? Why had he not called back wondering where Jodi was? His answer and used at trial "I thought ? you had grounded her ----------" Telling others the same, of "not coming out" and "being grounded again"

So one family, her mother/father believing the two were together, absolutely nothing to alert them to any danger, no thought of going to Newbattle, of using any path alone, simply nothing. To and please - A lad knowing of the ban, the dangers, of having no phone. Claims of meeting in his end with many dangers on the way. Of claiming to simply hang about in one spot, going nowhere near that path of course (The F&W sighting), for around 90mins. Being asked to believe that not only would any other normal type of boy, simply have walked the route in reverse to meet on the way. But did not bother, thought of no dangers and on it goes. To the boys and chasing them up, phoning them back within minutes of no arrival. To that claimed call to his mother of asking if Jodi had been, the claimed jokes shared, but nothing from a parent, again aware of those dangers. To that lie of coming home around 9pm and again, that brush off from a parent, 'oh she will have got caught up gabbing' For goodness sake he was NOT even in the house again. Not arriving home until 10pm - But the point, from him, his mother, the parent, absolutely no concern. - There was none for Jodi was already dead by his hands! Winging it and making it up.

And you wonder why suspicion fell instantly upon him, remained there and why he could NOT be eliminated - And that is simply a mere bloody fraction of it. that outstanding circumstantial case. Caught in their own web of deceit, continuously. Blaming others! Picking on him, singling him out - As bloody IF. Which of course the bulk of the manipulation is around, one big massive almighty IF! Starting with IF the enablers of this killer are being honest with you. Try starting from there?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #63 on: June 09, 2022, 06:42:46 PM »
Probably that morning in school (hence why they had their backs to one another in the China Gardens and not talking). Jodi's phone was broken that day, so one plausible theory is that she used LM's phone quite a lot that day and found communications between the two.

Here's a link re LM's bit on the side:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2004/dec/31/1

I think it’s an accepted fact now that there was an overlap between Luke’s romantic tristes…I’m sure it’s not a particularly unusual occurrence in the life of a teenage boy. Have their cake and eat it…there’s very few teenage boys who wouldn’t indulge.

Still nothing by way of evidence that they had actually rowed. Jodi had used Luke’s phone that day…was that before or after they’d rowed ? Oh wait it must have been before or why would he have let her use it? Hold on, why let her use his phone at all if there was texts from another girl on it? Further if Jodi had found something incriminating on Luke’s phone at lunchtime why was she so upbeat at home and when leaving to meet Luke? Surely she would have confided in someone about a body blow like that? Her friend? Her mum?

It really doesn’t convince, does it?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2022, 01:28:27 PM »
https://www.concertarchives.org/bands/ramage-inc


Ramage Inc. Concert History
5 Concerts
Ramage Inc. is a progressive metal band from Edinburgh that formed around 2003. The band was formed by Bryan Ramage for the purpose of bringing life to his musical work on stage. Together with his faithful musical companions, the music takes on a new level of energy and elegance in a live environment. Devin Townsend, Vast, Nine Inch Nails, Deftones and Opeth are all cited as being big influences.


Actually they formed together before 2004. Here is a little further information for you that I have been supplied with. The drummer who played at the 'gig' that LM went to with Jodi Jones was a relative of Jodi's thus the reason they went to see them. The band needed a replacement drummer to help at the time.

Hope that clarifies matters for you

Don’t tell me - abuser & con artist Sandra Lean also omitted this from IB ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2022, 01:48:02 PM »
And you wonder why suspicion fell instantly upon him, remained there and why he could NOT be eliminated - And that is simply a mere bloody fraction of it.

Wonder if Shane Mitchell has ever told anyone what he knows ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2022, 06:51:29 PM »
Faith, happy to have been of assistance to your young relative. The 'gig' happened and Luke with Jodi attended.

Parky, Parky, Parky, a ‘gig’ may have happened but not with the band claimed who weren’t even paying live at that time.

We can simply apply context of what would certainly have made her (Jodi) upbeat that day. This girl had been carrying out different forms of punishment over a course of weeks, still semi grounded until she completed daily chores. Her arrival home from school that day saw that punishment lifted in full, her time once more her own.

Absolutely. Upbeat because she was, at last, able to see her boyfriend in the way she wanted. No suggestion that she had found out about Jodi’s ‘other woman’.
 
She had no phone, she had not been using her mothers phone nor landline daily, to arrange any meetings with Mitchell over the course of time her phone was broken, she had been making arrangements with him at school around times to meet. Chores completed by around 6pm and it is from this we can apply their recent 'normal' time of meeting being just that. Changing that day and contacting him, she did not have to wait, she was free to go out at this earlier than could have been anticipated time.

Not what her mother said, under oath.

‘The pair would usually make arrangements to meet by text message and Jodi would sometimes visit Luke's house. Jodi was usually a good timekeeper who would observe curfews imposed by her mother, the court heard.’

There certainly doesn’t seem anything to suggest that there was any fixed time for them to meet.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328577/Jodi-mother-face-face-murder-accused.html



No phone logs produced (over the broken phone period) to back up Mitchells claims that there was no pre arranged meeting time, that he had to make dinner and did not go out until around 6pm. He may very well have stayed home for dinner but it was around when Jodi was allowed out, he had no restrictions as such. Again, one is being asked to believe that the older brother, normally home well before Luke would have the 14yr old making his dinner for him. If dinner was usually over by 6pm in the Mitchell home, it is indictive of the mother making it upon her arrival home. The boys perhaps helping at points with preparation, peeling the "totties" for instance.

Rather counterproductive for Luke to wipe anything from his phone when he would have known that there would have been the corresponding messages on Jodi’s mum’s phone, don’t you think? Further strange that the corresponding texts weren’t found on Judith’s phone…why was this? The most plausible reason to me is that Jodi, having texted Luke to say that she would come to him then deleted the texts knowing her mum would not be pleased if she knew that her daughter was going to use that quiet, isolated path.

KT and Jodi, the two girls in Mitchells life, one showering him with adoration in person, the other hanging onto his every word with that constant communication by phone. It is not about Mitchells feelings towards these girls, it is about their feelings, how they felt their place was in his life. Absolutely nothing to do with, 'he was hardly in love, not demanding to go see her, travelling those couple of hours' It is about the deceit, trying to distance himself from any involvement with KT, lying about the relationship and constant communication, of planning to meet with her once more in the school break. It has everything to do with a young girl and having her trust broken. Of adoration turning to confrontation and accusation, upset and wanting to have it out with him. Being allowed out earlier than anticipated would have been beneficial to releasing those pent up feelings, having that 'set to' sooner rather than later! - So yes, it is not at all difficult to realise why this girl was upbeat that day.

There is not on scintilla of proof that Jodi knew anything about Kimberly. The rest of your post is simply nonsensical hyperbole.

Contacting one person only and that person was LM to let him know of this change. Leaving home shortly afterwards to meet with him. LM seen with this girl at the lane tying in with her confirmed time of leaving home. She had no phone, no means of contacting anyone else. That phone plays a key part to several things;

A young girl who knew what danger was, articulate and bright. The ban on that path, of placing herself into dangerous situations. She had no phone, no security, no back, no means of reaching out for help. And again, the person she was leaving to meet knew this, her killer knew she had nothing to reach out with.

The utter nonsense, the complete bollocks - Of a boy who knew of that ban, knew the dangers of that path, knew his girlfriend had no phone, no security, no back up - Claiming to have simply hung around for the best part of 90mins, her non arrival in Newbattle and toddling off to see his pals. Instantly back on the phone to them, chasing them up, wondering where the hell they were! He was setting alibi in place, plain and simple.

And please with the repetitive bleat of pass the buck. Jodi's family were blindsided, it was early evening, around dinner time, they had no idea if Luke was simply running late, where Jodi may have been waiting for him "Up here"  The grans, anywhere but that path. That is the difference, massively. That without a doubt, that no further call from Mitchell had her family believing fully they had met and were spending the night together. The first person contacted when her curfew time past by, was LM. Of meeting with LM and asking him why? Why had he not called back wondering where Jodi was? His answer and used at trial "I thought ? you had grounded her ----------" Telling others the same, of "not coming out" and "being grounded again"

So one family, her mother/father believing the two were together, absolutely nothing to alert them to any danger, no thought of going to Newbattle, of using any path alone, simply nothing. To and please - A lad knowing of the ban, the dangers, of having no phone. Claims of meeting in his end with many dangers on the way. Of claiming to simply hang about in one spot, going nowhere near that path of course (The F&W sighting), for around 90mins. Being asked to believe that not only would any other normal type of boy, simply have walked the route in reverse to meet on the way. But did not bother, thought of no dangers and on it goes. To the boys and chasing them up, phoning them back within minutes of no arrival. To that claimed call to his mother of asking if Jodi had been, the claimed jokes shared, but nothing from a parent, again aware of those dangers. To that lie of coming home around 9pm and again, that brush off from a parent, 'oh she will have got caught up gabbing' For goodness sake he was NOT even in the house again. Not arriving home until 10pm - But the point, from him, his mother, the parent, absolutely no concern. - There was none for Jodi was already dead by his hands! Winging it and making it up.

And you wonder why suspicion fell instantly upon him, remained there and why he could NOT be eliminated - And that is simply a mere bloody fraction of it. that outstanding circumstantial case. Caught in their own web of deceit, continuously. Blaming others! Picking on him, singling him out - As bloody IF. Which of course the bulk of the manipulation is around, one big massive almighty IF! Starting with IF the enablers of this killer are being honest with you. Try starting from there?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2022, 01:19:45 PM »
I think it’s an accepted fact now that there was an overlap between Luke’s romantic tristes…I’m sure it’s not a particularly unusual occurrence in the life of a teenage boy. Have their cake and eat it…there’s very few teenage boys who wouldn’t indulge.

Still nothing by way of evidence that they had actually rowed. Jodi had used Luke’s phone that day…was that before or after they’d rowed ? Oh wait it must have been before or why would he have let her use it? Hold on, why let her use his phone at all if there was texts from another girl on it? Further if Jodi had found something incriminating on Luke’s phone at lunchtime why was she so upbeat at home and when leaving to meet Luke? Surely she would have confided in someone about a body blow like that? Her friend? Her mum?

It really doesn’t convince, does it?

Again, this discussion matters not a jot. It's small fry. The main planks of circumstantial evidence -- LM having guilty knowledge of the locus & leading the search party to the body in suspicious circumstances, the broken alibi, the eyewitness testimonies that placed him at both ends of that path at crucial times and the fact he owned that parka before 30.06.03 and disposed of it -- got him convicted. I was merely asking if anyone could expand on, or provide a cite for, this alleged argument Luke & Jodi had had in school that morning and the alleged sighting of them with their backs to one another in the China Gardens.

Faith, you concede that the Prosecution put forward a very compelling and robust case against LM. A quick question for you: how do you account for the expansive amounts of time LM was not seen by anyone that evening, namely between 1740 - 1800 and 1815 - 1930? A boy of 14 chose to dilly-dally for nearly 2 hours, waiting on his girlfriend? When, ordinarily, he would meet her halfway on that secluded path or go to Easthouses and meet her? The evening she was murdered, he coincidentally doesn't go to meet her and waits for nearly 2 hours on her coming to him? Furthermore, he knows she has definitely left to meet him as per AO and the landline call at 1740 -- yet he chose to wait all that time on her coming to him (do we know how often Jodi walked to Luke's house on her own?)? He then, out of the blue, calls David High and arranges to meet up with him and some other guys for over and hour-and-a-half and doesn't bother checking where his gf -- who he knows has left to met him hours ago -- is? How often did he meet up with DH? How often had he met up with DH since dating Jodi? I think we all know. Even DH was surprised that he LM had called him to meet up that evening and he was even more surprised when Jodi wasn't with Luke when they did meet up in the abbey that night (so much so that DH asked LM where Jodi was . . . to which LM replied, "Jodi won't be coming out tonight."). He then waited the full night until Judith phoned him at 2238, asking him where her daughter was? Really!

Doesn't all the above,  not even taking into account the main planks of circumstantial evidence, make you feel uneasy? And let's not also forget that LM had wiped out his mobile phone's entire history (all text messages and all call logs) before it was confiscated by the police in the early hours of 01.07.03. Why? Do you think it had incriminating evidence? For example, a meeting arrangement with Jodi at 1700 in Easthouses?
« Last Edit: June 12, 2022, 01:23:31 PM by Mr Apples »

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2022, 04:36:20 PM »
Again, this discussion matters not a jot. It's small fry. The main planks of circumstantial evidence -- LM having guilty knowledge of the locus & leading the search party to the body in suspicious circumstances, the broken alibi, the eyewitness testimonies that placed him at both ends of that path at crucial times and the fact he owned that parka before 30.06.03 and disposed of it -- got him convicted. I was merely asking if anyone could expand on, or provide a cite for, this alleged argument Luke & Jodi had had in school that morning and the alleged sighting of them with their backs to one another in the China Gardens.

Nothing that we discuss on this forum matters one jot but still we continue the discussion. BTW did you ever get that cite or should be just chalk it down to another rumour?

Faith, you concede that the Prosecution put forward a very compelling and robust case against LM.

Not compelling enough to convince all the jurors who had heard all the evidence and not just Parky’s stream of consciousness.

A quick question for you: how do you account for the expansive amounts of time LM was not seen by anyone that evening, namely between 1740 - 1800 and 1815 - 1930?

I could answer that but seeing Parky seems to be your go to source from everything connected to this case shall we let him do the honours?


“ He is sighted from 5.55 until 6.15 - then there is nothing until his meet with DH around 7pm”

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.1290.html



 A boy of 14 chose to dilly-dally for nearly 2 hours, waiting on his girlfriend? When, ordinarily, he would meet her halfway on that secluded path or go to Easthouses and meet her? The evening she was murdered, he coincidentally doesn't go to meet her and waits for nearly 2 hours on her coming to him?

2 hours? In reality there are witnesses for all but 45 minutes of that time.

 
Furthermore, he knows she has definitely left to meet him as per AO and the landline call at 1740 -- yet he chose to wait all that time on her coming to him (do we know how often Jodi walked to Luke's house on her own?)?

We know for fact that Jodi had arranged to meet Luke but had not appeared. What did he do then? Was he constantly on the phone? Truth is we don’t know how he reacted but what we do know is that it wasn’t totally out of character for her not to show up.

He then, out of the blue, calls David High and arranges to meet up with him and some other guys for over and hour-and-a-half and doesn't bother checking where his gf -- who he knows has left to met him hours ago -- is?

How was he supposed to check where she was? She didn’t have a phone and her stepfather had already told him that she had left her house. As to phoning DH out of the blue if he felt he had been stood up is it really so strange that he’d call his friend for company?

How often did he meet up with DH? How often had he met up with DH since dating Jodi? I think we all know.

I don’t so perhaps it would be useful at this juncture to provide a cite?

Even DH was surprised that he LM had called him to meet up that evening and he was even more surprised when Jodi wasn't with Luke when they did meet up in the abbey that night (so much so that DH asked LM where Jodi was . . . to which LM replied, "Jodi won't be coming out tonight.").

I’m sure he was surprised but that doesn’t mean Luke’s actions were sinister. Of course DH’s powers of recall were questioned in court as is statements differed and also IF Luke had thought that he had been stood up do you think he’d want to admit it to his friend?   
He then waited the full night until Judith phoned him at 2238, asking him where her daughter was? Really!

Yes, really.

Doesn't all the above,  not even taking into account the main planks of circumstantial evidence, make you feel uneasy? And let's not also forget that LM had wiped out his mobile phone's entire history (all text messages and all call logs) before it was confiscated by the police in the early hours of 01.07.03. Why? Do you think it had incriminating evidence? For example, a meeting arrangement with Jodi at 1700 in Easthouses?

For which there would have been corresponding messages on Jodi’s mum’s phone so what would be the point of deleting them?

Of course there is a more interesting question that needs to be answered. If Luke was the calculating murderer that some believe he is why are there so many questions remaining? If he was truly trying to cover his tracks why didn’t he call Jodi’s home more? Why say to DH that Jodi wasn’t coming out when he knew that that statement would be questioned. Why not just say that he’d been stood up? That he’d been expecting her but she had ghosted him.

So many relevant questions that aren’t being asked.

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2022, 06:01:40 PM »
FL, I will get back to you on your replies. Need to go to work soon.

Just quickly . . . a neighbour said that they saw LM going home at approx 2200 on 30.06.03 and some forum members on here have said that that means LM was lying and have suggested LM didn't go home at 2100 after he left the boys in the abbey as he said. So, where did he go after he left the boys and what had he been doing? I don't think he went back to see the body and nor do I think he was disposing any evidence. Doing any of those would be very risky (it would've still been light outside) and plus he would've been risking getting contaminated with incriminating DNA after getting cleaned up and changed (LM was forensically aware?). Perhaps he just went a stroll to clear his head and think about what he was going to do (he knew Judith would've inevitably been on the phone to him, enquiring about her daughter's whereabouts. What are your thoughts on the neighbour's sighting of Luke going home at 2200? Where do you think he'd been and what do you think he had been doing?

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2022, 12:25:53 AM »
FL, I will get back to you on your replies. Need to go to work soon.

Just quickly . . . a neighbour said that they saw LM going home at approx 2200 on 30.06.03 and some forum members on here have said that that means LM was lying and have suggested LM didn't go home at 2100 after he left the boys in the abbey as he said. So, where did he go after he left the boys and what had he been doing? I don't think he went back to see the body and nor do I think he was disposing any evidence. Doing any of those would be very risky (it would've still been light outside) and plus he would've been risking getting contaminated with incriminating DNA after getting cleaned up and changed (LM was forensically aware?). Perhaps he just went a stroll to clear his head and think about what he was going to do (he knew Judith would've inevitably been on the phone to him, enquiring about her daughter's whereabouts. What are your thoughts on the neighbour's sighting of Luke going home at 2200? Where do you think he'd been and what do you think he had been doing?

I’ve no idea what he was doing. What was the background to the statement from the neighbour? How long after the night of Jodi’s murder did the neighbour give their statement and if it was some time why were they so precise about the time? If true it does make you wonder why, with such observant neighbours, Luke risked coming back to his house  to clean up. If a neighbour saw him in the quiet semi-darkness on the 30th why did no one in the houses around his see him in the busier daytime that very same day?

Another question has occurred to me. Corrine Mitchell may be many things but stupid she is not. Why buy her son a parka jacket after their house had been searched and no parka found? Surely she would have known that that would appear suspicious, unless it was as she claimed?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mrs S

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2022, 12:36:57 AM »
I've no idea why faithlilly continues with this charade. What's in for him/her?. Luke Mitchell is exactly where he should be.
This far into his sentence he should/would?be well on his way to freedom and not classed as a danger to society! He's not made it past shotts prison gates to barlinnie top end never mind castle huntly. There's  a reason for that.

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2022, 01:01:41 AM »
I've no idea why faithlilly continues with this charade. What's in for him/her?. Luke Mitchell is exactly where he should be.
This far into his sentence he should/would?be well on his way to freedom and not classed as a danger to society! He's not made it past shotts prison gates to barlinnie top end never mind castle huntly. There's  a reason for that.

Do you think that constantly maintaining his innocence no matter what the consequences may have something to do with that?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mrs S

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2022, 03:19:17 AM »
No.  Luke mitchell maintains his innocence because consequences of him admitting what he done isn't good he kniws that!People supporting him have consequences they look complete fools and charlatans. He's not going any where anytime soon and everyone in shotts prison knows that! Prisoners and staff. Believe it or not vast majority of prisoners int shotts just want to get on with their hefty sentences and live quiet life. What they don't like is anyone who has comitted a crime to women or children and if they can cause them harm they  they will. But luke mitchell types are heavily protected.  Majority of prisoners in shotts are doing life sentence and have nothing to loose.  If they thought luke mitchell was being released into society they would harm him. He's not rehabilitated,  he's a danger to society and will remain in prison. Luke mitchell maintains his innocence because he knows consequences
« Last Edit: June 13, 2022, 03:40:34 AM by Mrs S »

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2022, 09:32:19 AM »
No.  Luke mitchell maintains his innocence because consequences of him admitting what he done isn't good he kniws that!People supporting him have consequences they look complete fools and charlatans. He's not going any where anytime soon and everyone in shotts prison knows that! Prisoners and staff. Believe it or not vast majority of prisoners int shotts just want to get on with their hefty sentences and live quiet life. What they don't like is anyone who has comitted a crime to women or children and if they can cause them harm they  they will. But luke mitchell types are heavily protected.  Majority of prisoners in shotts are doing life sentence and have nothing to loose.  If they thought luke mitchell was being released into society they would harm him. He's not rehabilitated,  he's a danger to society and will remain in prison. Luke mitchell maintains his innocence because he knows consequences

Or perhaps it’s because he is innocent?

Everyone in Shotts knows he’s guilty? How? What information do they have that we who believe in his innocence don’t?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?