"Charity collectors" data

[Heriberto Janosch]

Hi all,

I am opening this topic to gather "charity collectors" data from April and May, 2007. Thanks in advance for your comments.

I have four well established cases. The location of one case is doubtful.

 

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[Brietta]

Hi all,

I am opening this topic to gather "charity collectors" data from April and May, 2007. Thanks in advance for your comments.

I have four well established cases. The location of one case is doubtful.

The only one I can find is this ... don't know if it has any relevance.

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Today we can reveal that the worrying incident happened early in spring 2007 at a rented villa which overlooks a large expanse of wasteland in Praia da Luz on the Algarve which was searched this summer by Met search specialists and sniffer dogs.

The woman was surprised by a knock at the door from a lone conman who said he was collecting money for a nearby orphanage, which doesn’t exist.
http://yournewswire.com/mum-in-portugal-says-conman-tried-to-snatch-child-weeks-before-maddie/

[Heriberto Janosch]

The only one I can find is this ... don't know if it has any relevance.

**Snip
Today we can reveal that the worrying incident happened early in spring 2007 at a rented villa which overlooks a large expanse of wasteland in Praia da Luz on the Algarve which was searched this summer by Met search specialists and sniffer dogs.

The woman was surprised by a knock at the door from a lone conman who said he was collecting money for a nearby orphanage, which doesn’t exist.
http://yournewswire.com/mum-in-portugal-says-conman-tried-to-snatch-child-weeks-before-maddie/

Thank you Brietta. I had this incident. "Early Spring" is from March 20 to April 20. Right? Do you have any additional detail about this incident? Date? Place?

From article I am imagining this zone ...

[Brietta]

Thank you Brietta. I had this incident. "Early Spring" is from March 20 to April 20. Right? Do you have any additional detail about this incident? Date? Place?

From article I am imagining this zone ...

The only address I can find is ...

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On the day that Madeleine disappeared, there were four occasions where bogus charity collectors targeted properties in the area.

There are also two e-fits of Portuguese men – one aged 40 to 45, who knocked on the door of the apartment where the McCanns were to stay on April 25 or 26 between 2.30pm and 3pm, saying that he was a charity collector.

The other, aged 25 to 30, approached a property on the Rua do Ramalhete, near the Ocean Club, at around 4pm on May 3.
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/2013/10/15/police-pleased-after-madeleine-mccann-appeal/

I don't know which one it is but it isn't Gail Cooper's encounter as her address given in the files is Beladea, Monte Lemos, Lote 14, Luz, Algarve.

[ShiningInLuz]

Charity collection seems to be a standard out here.  I was approached on 3 times by a total of 4 individuals doing door-to-door collections for charity in a period of about 2 years.

The things in common were -
- the orphanage was in Espiche.  AFAIK there is no orphanage in or around Espiche.
- there was a guarantee that if I donated, we would not get another request for a year.
- ID was that which you could knock up in 5 minutes, and was flashed around for perhaps 5 seconds.

The centre of Luz with individual villas seems to be the hunting ground.  We currently live at the top of one the steepest hills in Luz, and we have not had a charity collector in the 2 years plus we have been here.

There is an orphanage in Lagos.  It does really good work.  We have never had a door-to-door collector asking for money for the Lagos orphanage.

There is a large set up in  W Luz called NECI.  It looks after children with learning disabilities.  Despite living next to it, we were never asked for a donation to NECI.

[Heriberto Janosch]

Charity collection seems to be a standard out here.  I was approached on 3 times by a total of 4 individuals doing door-to-door collections for charity in a period of about 2 years.

The things in common were -
- the orphanage was in Espiche.  AFAIK there is no orphanage in or around Espiche.
- there was a guarantee that if I donated, we would not get another request for a year.
- ID was that which you could knock up in 5 minutes, and was flashed around for perhaps 5 seconds.

The centre of Luz with individual villas seems to be the hunting ground.  We currently live at the top of one the steepest hills in Luz, and we have not had a charity collector in the 2 years plus we have been here.

There is an orphanage in Lagos.  It does really good work.  We have never had a door-to-door collector asking for money for the Lagos orphanage.

There is a large set up in  W Luz called NECI.  It looks after children with learning disabilities.  Despite living next to it, we were never asked for a donation to NECI.

Very interesting Shining. So Charity Collectors seems to be a lot of different people. A classical fraud. Off topic: I was talking with people from NECI, and have taken a couple of pics with the children. They are doing a great job in Luz.

Nevertheless, I think there are two cases of Charity Collectors which may be linked to Madeleine: Gordon and Morgan.

[pegasus]

@Shining may I ask was there a language communication issue when you spoke with these charity collectors?
Did you clearly understand every word of their english or was it sometimes unclear?
BTW there is a completely genuine Espiche connection.

[pathfinder73]

Fake charity collectors are after money not kids.

[pegasus]

"He then went on to tell me about an English family that had been killed on the EN125 motor way 3 days prior and that three children from that family had been looked after by the orphanage" (GC statement)

The witness did not understand the collector's english, and managed to provide the worst mistranslation in this entire case, getting every detail drastically wrong. In fact the collector was relating a true and inspiring story.

[Heriberto Janosch]

@Shining may I ask was there a language communication issue when you spoke with these charity collectors?
Did you clearly understand every word of their english or was it sometimes unclear?
BTW there is a completely genuine Espiche connection.

"BTW there is a completely genuine Espiche connection."

Could you provide a source? Thanks.

[pegasus]

"BTW there is a completely genuine Espiche connection."

Could you provide a source? Thanks.

There are many sources Heri. The collectors were refering to Barão de São João (see IM statement) which Brit tourists don't know where it is so the collectors were describing it as on the other side of Espiche. The collectors were telling the truth. There are two important and valid orphanage connections to BdSJ. First the whole inspiration for one charity resulted from a tragic accident near BdSJ 3 years earlier (not 3 days, and GC got every other detail wrong too). Second, that charity organised a 3-day camping and horse riding trip to BdSJ the previous year for children from Lagos state-run children's home (collectors were showing photos of this trip).

[pegasus]

BTW in their obsession with charity collectors PJ and LP and SY overlook a potentially important observation at end of morgan statement. Did they ever bother asking the witness the exact location and the exact time the witness saw it open? It would only take about 10 minutes with streetview

[misty]

@Heri

http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/lagos-orphans-spoilt-by-silves-entrepreneurs/21033

(Pegasus likes to make you Google. If you follow the trail there are some interesting people connections)

[pegasus]

And the accident that inspired it (which GC got so jumbled up) was near BdSJ (other side of Espiche) see only the last few lines of http://portugalresident.com/couple-killed-in-motor-accident-in-vila-do-bispo

[pegasus]

March 2007 Faro and Lagos fake collectors http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/charity-fraudsters-use-orphans-for-money/22025