Any lead/discolouration would be washed off by showering.
DB states in the following "Coupled with the fact that she hadn't had any experience with guns [reluctantly adds] or very little".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo @ 6.20 in
SC no doubt spent time as child with NB walking around the fields shooting. SC was a farmers daughter. Children pick up things without having to be sat down and shown. You don't need to be a nuclear physicist to load the said rifle and fire it. SC was from a birth family of academics and privately educated you seem to want to think of her as someone with learning difficulties.
You have no evidence she showered and bathed nor any reason why she would. You can't find a single case where someone decided to commit murder-suicide and after killing their family took a bath. It doesn't happen it is a stupid suggestion the best anyone could come up with is to raise bathing before ritualistic suicide which no one alleges was the case. Showering and bathing doesn't get rid of evidence on clothing anyway. The killer's clothing would have been covered with GSR, high velocity spatter and medium velocity spatter and gloves were used. No such clothing was found at WHF.
Your simplistic claims about guns have already been addressed and you have no rebuttal you just go back to the same stupid mantra over and over again.
Seeing someone shoot a gun doens't mean that you will be able to load and shoot it yourself. Iguarantee if I fire my semi-auto sniper rifle that you will not notice the steps I take asde from simply pulling the trigger and walking aorund me sometimes doesn't mean I will even perform such in your presence let alone you will understand and appreciate the subtle acts. Lynette Fromme grew up around guns and she failed to chamber around and was thus disarmed without a shot having been fired when she tried to kill president Ford. What rebuttal have you presented to this. Nothing you just ignore it and repeat the same mantra she would have known what to do no matter what because you actually don't care about the truth only pretending SHeila did it so you can present your psychology BS.
What semi-auto guns did they have on the farm? NONE until the murder weapon purchased at the end of 1984.
So if she was busy wathcing her father growing up and so forth then she would have seen him fire shotguns not a semi-auto. You ignore this time and again because it absolutely kills you. Walking with her father as he used a shotgun would not enable her to know how to use the murder weapon no matter how carefully she watched her father. Your simplistic she would have to know how to shoot any and all gun because she lived on a farm is simply pathetic and absurd.
The only thing worse is suggesting it is cake to just easily group shots and neve rmiss your first time using a wepaon you are unfamiliar with while in the middle of a crazy rage.
Even if we assume that the broken crockery was not caused by the raid team, as per soc pics it amounted to just a few large pieces. The glass lampshade was unlikely to be crystal glass and again perhaps a 2/3 pieces? Unless it was in her path she would simply avoided it. You realise that NB was also barefooted and he too had no cuts to his feet.
The killer broke the lamp by being right under it. Nevill was knocked down while the killer was supposedly standing on this mess swinging a rifle at Nevill battering him unconscious and then walked all around the kitchen afterwards. Nevill wasn't walking around was he? In fact the killed stepped on Nevill's feet and kicked his knees bruising them, probably in an effort to get him off his feet.
You have no idea when and how the stock broke. To claim it would cause hand damage is absurd.
The nature of the break demonstrates how it was being used. It was being used in a motion that demosntrates the back of the stock was being used to bash and the way that is done is by holding the weapon with one hand on the fore grip and the other on the narrow area of the stock.
Aside from no evidence the weapon was instead used as you claimed wither her holding the barrel that would still result in injury. The knurled grip of the moderator would cause damage to the arms and the iron sights would damage the wrist and hands. You never think things through you just make simplistic claims based on nothing other than your agenda.
All removed by showering with stained clothes in the buckets.
Again a completely absurd claim not supported by anything. You have no evidence she showered and bathed nor any reason why she would. You can't find a single case where someone decided to commit murder-suicide and after killing their family took a bath. It doesn't happen it is a stupid suggestion the best anyone could come up with is to raise bathing before ritualistic suicide which no one alleges was the case. Showering and bathing doesn't get rid of evidence on clothing anyway. The killer's clothing would have been covered with GSR, high velocity spatter and medium velocity spatter and gloves were used. No such clothing was found at WHF. The buck you cite contianed 2 pairs of panties and leggings all with the crotch stained thus indicative of being menstruated in during the day some time. Probably before she bought tampons and she went shopping that very day and had a supply of tampons including one inserted inside her when killed!
Where is the gown or blouse with GSR and blood spatter from the victims? It wasn't in the buckets so try again.
I don't believe that the silencer ever left the gun cupboard on that fateful night. Her blood may have been inside and if it was then I believe it was deliberately contaminated by EP with blood from SC's sample handed to EP by Dr V.
What you believe doesn't matter what you can provide evidence of matters. You have no evidentiary basis to assert such happened. You have no rational basis to believe it happened. The evidence says it did and unless you can refute that evidence it is a thorn that prevents your claims from being taken seriously. Just dismissing it because you don't want to face it doesn't make it go away.
Why do you think NB only had linear wounds to his right arm?
He had skin ripped off a finger, bruising to his elbow and his forearm had "relatively linear" wounds. The butt of the stock jabbing into his arm made the gauges. Yhe flat bottom, top or sides of the stock do not make gauges like that. It was made by the butt of the rifle glancing off and digging in.
The buttplate has ridges and can thus gauge but worse loo at the corners of the butt
Nevill raised his right arm blocking his face with it. Elbow was facing to his right and his hand to his left. The killer was striking his arm with the butt of the rifle.
Given the shot NB received on the stairs ie downward it would seem SC followed NB downstairs. Why did NB head for the kitchen? He thought he could continue the conversation he started with JB before he run upstairs when he heard SC firing shots? To escape and raise the alarm and to deter JB from entering?
He didn't receive any shots on the stairs. If he was hit while running away down the stairs that would even be worse to try to claim Sheila made such a shot. There is zero evidence of a shot on the stairs. The shell casing would have been at the bottom of the stairs not the top if a killer were aiming at him as he was below running down the stairs. The killer would have shot him in the back and the only shots that coudl have been fired from the top of the stairs as he ran down based on angle of impact is one of the shots in the top of his head which woudl have made him collapse and which Vanzis said was clearly fired int he kitchen as all 4 shots were fired at the same range and tightly grouped and had they been delivered elsewher ehe would have passed out and not made it ot the kitchen. the shell caseing against the wall in the hall was somehow stuck to a shoe of either the killer or police and tracked up there because 4 shots were fired in the kitchen and only 3 casings were there. The only odd casing was in the hall and it could not have gotten in that location unless someone were shooting in that direction from th vicinity of Sheila's room.
The other 4 shots were all side profile shots and thus could not have been fired from someone standing behind Nevill so can't have been delivered on the stairs. Nevill's left side was facing the killer when the shots were fired.
The killer fired 11 rounds at June and Nevill in the master bedroom. That alone proves it was Jeremy, Sheial would not have loaded the gun to capacity. The gun was empty when either Nevill fled the bedroom with his killer giving chase or alternatively he chased his killer. Since he probably did not move that fast and left blood on the walls it is quite possible he was tailing his killer and could not catch up uintil the kitchen. It seems unlikely his killer would not catch up sooner. Why would his killer go the the kitchen? To get more ammo which Nevill woudl have every reason to try to stop. Why would Nevill go to the kitchen? Most likely to grab a weapon be it a knife, gun or something else available in the kitchen. The guns were stored in the back kitchen AKA office kitchen.
Dr V states NB put up a "spirited defense". He does not mention a "struggle".
A spirited defense is a struggle. It certainly refutes your claim Nevill passed out and his limp body was bludgeoned.
If you want to claim the above you need to rule SC out by providing the following measurements to the nearest mm:
Height from kitchen floor to lowest point of lampshade
Height of SC
Arm length/reach of SC
Length of rifle with and without silencer (Now kindly provided by Myster)
I believe EP fabricated the scratches after the tragedy.
I don't need to rule her out. The moderator had ot be attached to break the lampshade. That could have been accomplished by Sheila or Jeremy fighting with Nevill over it though much more likely Jeremy since he was taller and the higher the gun the easier to take away from sheila. The moderator attached period sinks Jeremy by your own admission that if it was attached then Jeremy is guilty so I have zero need to say she was too short to have broken the light with the moderator attached.
You need to provide evidence that the moderator was not attached and that the blood and paint were planted. you can't you have not even a detialed theory of how it came about let alone any evidence it is possible to plant blood in the manner it was found. You just refuse to believe the evidence. Taht doens't make it go away it just akes your opinion baseless.
You don't know when and how the stock was damaged. How could SC have told JB anything?
We do indeed know when and how. The broken piece was in the kitchen so it obviously was broke off while Nevill was being bludgeoned not some other time prior to the murders especially since the gun by Jeremy's own admission was unbroken prior ot the murders.
The way it was sheered off indicates the butt striking something hard and dorcing the stock into the receiver. This was all explained already.
You have nothing to rebut my points or evidence anymore than you have anything to establish the evidence on and in the mdoerator was planted. You just dismiss anythign you don't want to face. taht doesn't refute it though and doesn't make it go away.
The other rooms you refer to were bedrooms and the stairs. Not too much to break in those rooms. The other victims were perhaps not beaten as they didn't try to resist either verbally or physically.
Those with disorganised attachments are capable of extreme rage, aggression and violence as a result of the initial trauma.
There was plenty to break in the bedrooms and knock over. There were also victims to attack and bash in the bedrooms. Why only Nevill when he was the man who clamed her down instantly in the past? You have nothing at all to answer any of these questions.
ONly th emost dishonest clown refuseds to admit that Nevill was beaten because the killer was out of ammunition and needed to reload but Nevill was trying to disarm the killer and the killer had to knock him out in order ot be able to reload and then be able to shoot him dead. You can't refute any of this and so just childishly dismiss it as if that does a thing.
