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icabodcrane

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #660 on: November 06, 2013, 02:20:53 AM »
Front up , what do you really think happened to Madeleine?
I'm sick of your condescending posts.
Lets have your evidence that the McCanns are guilty of anything.

I have no idea what happened to Madeleine  ...  but whatever it was she has never been seen again since that night ... when she was just three years old

THAT  is what is important here  ...  not the defense of her parents' reputations

icabodcrane

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #661 on: November 06, 2013, 02:35:09 AM »
So back off.
You and I have no idea.
Leave these parents alone.

"Back off"  ?

 ... when Admin tell me to,  maybe ...  but  you  ? 


Offline sadie

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #662 on: November 06, 2013, 02:37:14 AM »
"Back off"  ?

 ... when Admin tell me to,  maybe ...  but  you  ?
I agree with Neeley.  Back off and leave the parents alone.  You DONT KNOW anything, but you think you do.

icabodcrane

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #663 on: November 06, 2013, 02:51:59 AM »
I take it you have faith in admin then ?

Yep  ...  they're doing a grand job 


icabodcrane

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #664 on: November 06, 2013, 03:09:33 AM »
Oh dear.

Perhaps you should look for greener pastures  if you're unhappy with the way our forum is run

Me,   I think this forum is just fine  ...  and Admin and the  mods are more than up to dealing with the disruptive,  wum'ing that is part and parcel of this case 

In fact,  I  think they relish it   8@??)(

Offline Kazcutt

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #665 on: November 06, 2013, 07:09:42 AM »
I would normally agree.

But Madeleine begged her mum not to leave her crying again.

But still they left her. She was too young to be in charge of Sean and Amelie.


Begged her not to leave her ??????

Why would you make up stories ? Madeleine asked where she was when she was crying .then carried on

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #666 on: November 06, 2013, 07:37:52 AM »

Begged her not to leave her ??????

Why would you make up stories ? Madeleine asked where she was when she was crying .then carried on

 Because the whole anti McCann movement is based on made up stories

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #667 on: November 06, 2013, 09:09:02 AM »
Because the whole anti McCann movement is based on made up stories

Made up stories?

Sounds like the McCanns account of May 2007.

Fairy tale abduction.
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Offline Kazcutt

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #668 on: November 06, 2013, 09:43:07 AM »
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Police chief blamed Kate and Gerry McCann for Madeleine's disappearance 'to ensure Portuguese detectives didn't abandon case'
Goncalo Amaral was said to have been 'against shelving of original probe'
Kate and Gerry McCann are suing Mr Amaral over his claims in 2008 book
He alleged couple faked the abduction to cover up her death in Portugal
McCanns say book turned people against them when they needed help
By GERARD COUZENS
PUBLISHED: 20:24 GMT, 5 November 2013 | UPDATED: 23:40 GMT, 5 November 2013
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A former Portuguese police chief blamed Madeleine McCann's parents for the three-year-old girl's disappearance to ensure detectives carried on looking for her, a former colleague claimed today.

Antonio Paulo dos Santos told a Lisbon court he believed his friend Goncalo Amaral penned a book pointing the finger at the couple because he was against the shelving of the original investigation.

Kate and Gerry McCann are suing Mr Amaral over his claims in his July 2008 book The Truth of the Lie that they faked their daughter's abduction to cover up her death in their holiday apartment.

 
Trial: Kate and Gerry McCann (right) are suing former Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral (left) over his claims in a book that they faked their daughter's abduction to cover up her death in their holiday apartment
His book was released three days after the Portuguese police probe into the girl’s disappearance was archived and the McCanns were told their status as official suspects or arguidos was being lifted.

Defence witness Mr dos Santos, who worked with Mr Amaral in the early Nineties and remains in close contact with him, spoke at the hearing this afternoon.

He said: ‘Everything that's in the book appears to be in the case files. It's not fictional. They are the conclusions of a factual analysis by Goncalo Amaral as the head of the police investigation.

 
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‘I think the main reason he wrote the book was so that the case would continue to be investigated. When he published the book I presume he didn't agree with its archiving.’

Today's libel trial hearing was the first since Portuguese authorities announced last month they were reopening their probe into Madeleine's disappearance more than five years after it was shelved.

The morning court session started with a disappointment for the defence when it emerged a key witness was on honeymoon and his evidence had to be rescheduled for a later date.


Publication: Mr Amaral's 2008 book was released three days after the Portuguese police probe into the girl's disappearance was archived and the McCanns were told their status as official suspects was being lifted
Criminologist and university professor Paulo Sargento was expected to support Mr Amaral and say he did not believe Madeleine had been abducted from her Algarve holiday apartment.

In October 2007 he created a 3D reconstruction of the night on May 3, 2007 when Madeleine disappeared - and concluded any abductor would only have had eight minutes in which to strike.


Mystery: Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal in May 2007 and has never been found

He later came up with a computer edit based on witness statements of a long-haired bearded man which the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell insisted at the time could cause confusion.

Mario Sena Lopes, editor of Guerra & Paz which published Mr Amaral's controversial book, admitted he could not guarantee all copies had been returned after the McCanns successfully injected it.

The couple secured a temporary injunction in September 2008 before a court upheld the ban in February 2010 after a challenge from Mr Amaral. The injunction was lifted again in March 2011.

Mr Lopes, who is still Mr Amaral's literary agent, told the hearing: ‘There are always booksellers who do not respect the orders of the distributors.’

He also admitted knowing the book had been circulated in Brazil but insisted Guerra & Paz had nothing to do with it.

Luis Vale Frois, former managing director of a firm which distributed a DVD of a documentary based on Mr Amaral's book, said it was inevitable pirate copies would find their way onto the Internet.

He told the hearing: ‘If this week you release a series on TV, next week it's already on the internet with Portuguese subtitles.’


Concern: Kate and Gerry McCann claim Mr Amaral's book turned Portuguese people against them when they most needed their help in finding their daughter
Mr Amaral, removed as head of the Madeleine McCann probe in October 2007 after criticising the British police, attended court for the trial as he has done every day since its start in September.

ANGER AT MONTEIRO REPORTS
Portuguese-based Cape Verdean associations have reacted angrily to reports an immigrant thief has been blamed for Madeleine McCann's disappearance and death.

It emerged last week Euclides Monteiro, who died in a tractor accident in 2009, was a suspect.

A spokesman for a Cape Verdean association said: ‘The representatives of Cape Verdean associations in Portugal always defend the normal workings of justice and the idea that unlawful behaviour should be punished accordingly through the proper legal channels.

‘However we denounce the fact that this immigrant cannot defend himself from these accusations in the Madeleine McCann case which could, conveniently, remove blame from other people and ease some consciences.

‘We discover history repeating itself - with yet another Cape Verdian suspect and a community which feels once again smeared.’

He has been critical of a new British police appeal about the six-and-a-half year-old mystery, branding it a ‘PR campaign of intoxication and misinformation.’

But he declined to comment today on the reopened Portuguese police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

Mr Amaral's lawyer Vitor dos Santos insisted outside court: ‘We are not going to make any comment about the criminal investigation. This is a civil case and when it's over my client will be free to speak. No lawyer should make any statements about people being absolved or not being absolved from an investigation.

'This is not the time to be saying anything about it because it makes no sense to do so.’

The McCanns claim Mr Amaral's book turned Portuguese people against them when they most needed their help in finding their daughter.

The ex-police chief is denying defamation and insists everything in the book was contained in police files. Former police colleagues have given evidence backing his argument.

The McCanns, of Rothley, Leicestershire, have applied to take the witness stand as well as Mr Amaral.

Judge Maria Emilia Melo e Castro is expected to rule on their application at the end of the month. The case, scheduled to finish in December, continues.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487987/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-suspects-Portuguese-detectives-didnt-abandon-case.html#ixzz2jrCUZlNR
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #669 on: November 06, 2013, 09:47:43 AM »
Made up stories?

Sounds like the McCanns account of May 2007.

Fairy tale abduction.

well it looks like SY and the PJ believe it but I bet you know better

Offline gilet

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #670 on: November 06, 2013, 09:49:44 AM »
Dra Duarte asked for being informed before the 27th about the Judge's decision concerning her clients taking the stand not as witnesses but as plaintiffs, in order not to have her clients flying for peanuts, legitimately but disrespectfully of the fact that Mr McCann went twice to Lx knowing perfectly he couldn't be heard.

My feeling is that this kind of trial should occur in a continuity, for the sake of the protagonists' sharp mindedness and the dynamism of the sessions.

Is the 27th turning to be the day of all revelations ? It should be prepared to have an increase of hours, though GA's lawyer told me his allegations wouldn't be long.
Jerry Lawton, who is a nice and handsome guy, told me that 1) he's not the Jamie Oliver of the tabloids' dressing for his articles (my words, not his) and 2) he never reads his articles. But he's convinced, or wants to be, that if something he wrote was twisted he would be informed somehow, Twitter or sms.
He believes that the content is all and the form not much. What is literature for ?

What was disrespecful about either Gerry McCann being in Lisbon or Mrs Duarte not referring to this (it is not clear which you mean) when asking the perfectly reasonable question that the McCanns might be informed prior to any date on which they may or may not be allowed to give testimony?

Your feeling about the continuity issue is reciprocated by me. What reason do you believe lies behind the rather bizarre court procedures in Portugal which lead to such discontinuous trials? Is it poor management of court times? Who makes the timetabling decisions which appear so poor both to you and me?

Unlike you, however, I have no qualms with Lawton preferring to concentrate on content over form. Lawton is not attempting high literature but, rather, his role is to report clear and concise fact. Your question as to what literature is for seems totally out of place. Literature has one role but so has reportage. The reports done by Lawton do not depend on literary techniques and nor should they. The content is the important focus of his articles.

And, honestly, does it matter whether you consider him handsome or otherwise? I am sure that if a poster spent time telling us how beautiful some female reporter was it would be described as tedious and excessive (or worse) so why should the physical attributes of male reporters be the focus? Sexism?

Benita

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #671 on: November 06, 2013, 10:22:49 AM »
A former Portuguese police chief blamed Madeleine McCann's parents for the three-year-old girl's disappearance to ensure detectives carried on looking for her, a former colleague claimed today.
Antonio Paulo dos Santos told a Lisbon court he believed his friend Goncalo Amaral penned a book pointing the finger at the couple because he was against the shelving of the original investigation.



why would amaral blame the parents just because he wanted .... the detectives to keep looking for madeleine ...when he is adamant the McCann's covered up her death ??????????

this doesn't make sense  8-)(--) wonder what the judge makes of this statement  >@@(*&)

Offline Lace

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #672 on: November 06, 2013, 10:36:31 AM »
Sorry don't believe for one moment that Amaral wrote his book so that they would keep looking for her.

In my opinion he wrote his book because he was adamant he was right,  angered he was taken off the case and wanted to make money.

Redblossom

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #673 on: November 06, 2013, 11:18:35 AM »
Because the whole anti McCann movement is based on made up stories

Such a false, wild  sweeping exagerrative and disingenuous statement.....

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Offline jassi

Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #674 on: November 06, 2013, 11:25:09 AM »
Such a false, wild  sweeping exagerrative and disingenuous statement.....

 @)(++(*

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