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C.Edwards

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #345 on: October 02, 2013, 08:08:33 PM »
Madeleine's parents pain at losing her was 'multiplied 100 times' by police chief's book >@@(*&)

So over the top it's gone Brass Eye now.

I hope they can quantify that otherwise it's just meaningless drivel, surely?

C.Edwards

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #346 on: October 02, 2013, 08:09:33 PM »
More likely that Amaral is playing catch up.

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C.Edwards

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #347 on: October 02, 2013, 08:10:09 PM »
Because I see things differently to you, sadie,  does not mean that it is my perspective that is  'twisted'

I was just about to type the same thing. Well said. 8@??)(

C.Edwards

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #348 on: October 02, 2013, 08:11:28 PM »
I tried and it didn't work, DCI. Anyhow I sent pictures to John. This one is a stolen photograph, you're not allowed to take pictures inside of the Palácio da Justiça, I was about to delete it and then found it expressed what happened to Mrs Healy to-day. But the 3 British left in a rather good mood, much better than the weather. Mrs Duarte though had a gloomy face.

ID doesn't have anything but a gloomy face judging by the pictures I've seen. In fact she's the one who looks permanently anxious, depressed, etc.  Wonder what makes her like that?

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #349 on: October 02, 2013, 08:12:52 PM »
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/tia-acredita-que-maddie-esta-viva

Child's family is in Portugal

Aunt believes that Maddie is alive

In a session held on Wednesday, in which Gerry McCann have not been heard, Aunt Madeleine McCann said he does not believe in the book of Gonçalo Amaral.

The older sister of Gerry McCann, Maddie's father, was heard on Wednesday, at the Palace of Justice in Lisbon. Aunt Maddie described to the court the time of suffering the child's parents when the book of former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral - 'The Truth of the Lie' - was published.
"Kate was very low and Gerry did not believe it," said Trish Cameron, Aunt Maddie, adding he did not believe anything the book says. "There is a missing girl and there is someone trying to fool people by saying that the girl is dead," he said.
Gerry McCann also appeared at the trial session, which would testify. Maddie's father did not, however, an opportunity to testify in court, because the judge does not grant its request to speak.

In response, the defense attorney Gonçalo Amaral downplayed the possibility of Gerry McCann give evidence, stating that they are not relevant to the case.

Remember that Maddie's father is in Portugal to witness in the case against Goncalo Amaral. Parents of missing girl seeking compensation of 1.2 million euros to former PJ inspector for damage caused by the book 'The Truth of the Lie'.

In his book, Gonçalo Amaral says Maddie McCann is already dead and that her parents hid the body.


Not relevant to the case, is he round the bend, or scared sh***less?

I'm not a legal eagle but how can GM not be relevant to the case?  I've heard it all now. >@@(*&)

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #350 on: October 02, 2013, 08:13:06 PM »
Please note that the comments relating to today's events have been combined on this thread.  I have expunged a few of the more disingenuous comments.

Some photos shortly courtesy of Anne.

« Last Edit: October 02, 2013, 08:14:43 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

C.Edwards

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #351 on: October 02, 2013, 08:19:02 PM »
I'm not a legal eagle but how can GM not be relevant to the case?  I've heard it all now. >@@(*&)

I have to agree. I can't see any way in which the McCanns personally are not relevant to the case in question to be honest. Judging by the text, it looks like a google translation. Maybe some context has been lost...?

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #352 on: October 02, 2013, 08:35:23 PM »
The text in Portuguese: Em reacção, o advogado de defesa de Gonçalo Amaral desvalorizou a possibilidade de Gerry McCann prestar declarações, afirmando que não são relevantes para o processo".

In reaction, Gonçalo Amaral's defense lawyer gives little importance to the possibility of Gerry McCann making statements, afirming that they (the statements) are not relevant to the case.

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #353 on: October 02, 2013, 08:38:47 PM »


The McCanns' pain over the disappearance of their daughter was "multiplied 100 times" by a book by a former Portuguese police chief, a court has heard.

Gerry McCann's sister Trish Cameron said he and wife Kate had been left in "purgatory" by the disappearance of Madeleine and claims that they were somehow involved.

Speaking at the libel trial of former police chief Goncalo Amaral, Mrs Cameron said the publication of his book in 2008 and a TV documentary based on it the following year caused the family to be "vilified" and "demonised".

And she said Madeleine's twin siblings Sean and Amelie, now eight, were aware of them by comments made by fellow pupils at their school.

"My brother and sister-in-law live in purgatory because they have no end and they are looking for the truth," she told the court.

"They would like an end but there is no end because they don't know what's happened."

The McCanns say the former detective's claims in the book The Truth Of The Lie, including suggestions that they hid their daughter's body after she died in an accident and faked an abduction, damaged the hunt for Madeleine and exacerbated their anguish.

If successful the family stands to gain around £1 million in damages.

Mrs Cameron, whose voice cracked as she gave evidence, said: "They were vilified in this book so their distress was multiplied 100 times.

"This pain was felt by all of their family because we still have a missing child and we knew that what is in there is not true."

The nurse, from Glasgow, travelled to Lisbon with brother Gerry, who has applied to give evidence in the case.

No decision was made today and other legal teams are thought to have until October 16 to give their views before the judge's decision.

As Mr McCann left court at lunchtime, he said: "Obviously it's disappointing, but we will just keep going."

Mrs Cameron told the court that she travelled to Portugal after her brother told her about Madeleine's disappearance in May 2007, spending three months there with him and Kate, and later continuing to help them as they struggled to cope.

She described how her brother called her in a "cry for help" when Mr Amaral's book was published.

She described how a family "rota" to help the couple when they first returned from Portugal had to be reinstated in the aftermath of the publication in July 2008.

"Kate was in a very low mood, she was not coping with daily things," she said.

"She was doing solitary things, almost like torturing herself, out running long, long distances by herself.

"She was going to church and praying on a daily basis, and she was sleeping for a long time too.

"She wouldn't go out socially at all, she would not go to a shop.

"We had to help with practical things like the shopping and cooking and looking after the children to help her."

The effects of the book were worse than when the McCanns were made arguidos, or formal suspects, she said.

"This was a different thing. It was much more conclusive and demonising them, dehumanising them, saying they did not care for their children, that they were responsible.

"It makes it out that they weren't truthful and they have been vilified and it's very hard to turn round opinion about them that has been so widely spread."

She told the court the Portuguese people had "turned against" the McCanns, saying Mr McCann had been jeered at in the street when he returned to Portugal in April 2009, and was advised to hire security.

"This (the book) perhaps gave people a conclusion, but it's not the right conclusion, it's all lies," she said.

She said the couple had only started to socialise again in the last year or two but are more comfortable in people's houses "where they are not being watched or scrutinised".

And asked if twins Sean and Amelie knew about the book and the TV programme, she said: "Last week Amelie came in from school and said some people had been talking about it.

"She said that people were talking about them at school, and that it was not all good things that had been said.

"In the past Sean has come in and said to Gerry, 'daddy are you famous?' .

"Gerry said, 'why are you asking that?', and he said because a boy at school had seen him on the television.

"Gerry continued doing what he was doing and said, 'no I'm not famous, it's because your sister is missing'."

Kate McCann's mother Susan Healy, who also travelled to the court, was expected to give evidence today but it emerged that the McCanns' lawyer Isabel Duarte had previously dismissed all of her English-speaking witnesses other than Mrs Cameron, but forgotten the request amidst the confusion of the case.

Madeleine, who was then nearly four, disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3 2007 as her parents dined at a nearby restaurant with friends.

Mr Amaral, who initially led the inquiry into her disappearance, was removed from the Portuguese investigation in October 2007 after criticising the British police.

He has also applied to give evidence at the trial.

Under cross-examination from the former police chief's lawyer Vitor Oliveira, Mrs Cameron was asked if she was aware of a petition, signed by 17,000 people in England, in January 2008 calling for social services to investigate the McCanns for leaving their children alone.

"I had heard of it, yes," she said. "They were not happy about it and they took action to counteract it."

Mr Oliveira also asked if she was aware that 70% of British people in August 2007 condemned the couple for having left the children alone on the night Madeleine disappeared, to which she replied: "No I did not know that."

The case, at the Palace of Justice in Lisbon, was adjourned to next Tuesday after hearing evidence from Eduardo Damaso, deputy editor of Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manha.

It is expected to finish hearing evidence in November.

British detectives launched a fresh investigation into the youngster's disappearance in July this year - two years into a review of the case - and believe she could still be alive.

The Portuguese investigation into Madeleine's disappearance is officially closed.




ferryman

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #354 on: October 02, 2013, 08:39:45 PM »
The text in Portuguese: Em reacção, o advogado de defesa de Gonçalo Amaral desvalorizou a possibilidade de Gerry McCann prestar declarações, afirmando que não são relevantes para o processo".

In reaction, Gonçalo Amaral's defense lawyer gives little importance to the possibility of Gerry McCann making statements, afirming that they (the statements) are not relevant to the case.

For someone whose testimony they pay such little heed to, they've gone to extraordinarily great lengths to stop him testifying ...

C.Edwards

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #355 on: October 02, 2013, 08:44:39 PM »
The text in Portuguese: Em reacção, o advogado de defesa de Gonçalo Amaral desvalorizou a possibilidade de Gerry McCann prestar declarações, afirmando que não são relevantes para o processo".

In reaction, Gonçalo Amaral's defense lawyer gives little importance to the possibility of Gerry McCann making statements, afirming that they (the statements) are not relevant to the case.

Yeah that has a different slant on it, I agree. But... I still would like to hear "from the horse's mouth" as it were. I have to disagree with GA's lawyer. It would have been far better for the McCanns to appear personally and speak.

C.Edwards

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #356 on: October 02, 2013, 08:45:25 PM »
For someone whose testimony they pay such little heed to, they've gone to extraordinarily great lengths to stop him testifying ...

Didn't the McCanns and their own lawyer do that?

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #357 on: October 02, 2013, 08:46:08 PM »
The text in Portuguese: Em reacção, o advogado de defesa de Gonçalo Amaral desvalorizou a possibilidade de Gerry McCann prestar declarações, afirmando que não são relevantes para o processo".

In reaction, Gonçalo Amaral's defense lawyer gives little importance to the possibility of Gerry McCann making statements, afirming that they (the statements) are not relevant to the case.

Still has the same meaning, no matter how you dress it up. His statement is relevant. They don't want Gerry to speak out, I wonder why?
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ferryman

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #358 on: October 02, 2013, 08:47:36 PM »
Didn't the McCanns and their own lawyer do that?

The McCanns and their lawyer had nothing to do with this impediment to Santos' grown-up son ...

C.Edwards

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Re: The McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel trial as it happens.
« Reply #359 on: October 02, 2013, 08:49:49 PM »
The McCanns and their lawyer had nothing to do with this impediment to Santos' grown-up son ...

Oh get real man. That had nothing to do with Gerry McCanns non-appearance! He wouldn't have been heard on that day either.  I sense this is another recurring theme that will be added to the list of propaganda you recycle on a regular basis now.