What to do in the event of a fire in Block 5? Or in apartment 5A?

[G-Unit]

In my opinion you are quite wrong.  It is entirely possible to be a victim without being targeted, say for example dying in a tsunami, unless you believe in acts of a vengeful God of course.

A victim of a natural disaster, not a crime. I thought we were discussing whether Madeleine's family are victims of a crime.

[Venturi Swirl]

A victim of a natural disaster, not a crime. I thought we were discussing whether Madeleine's family are victims of a crime.

I thought we were discussing what it is to be a victim.  You claim being targeted is an essential component of victimhood, I was pointing out that this is not true.  If you are harmed by an act, intentional or not, you are a victim of said act.  Losing a child and being unaware of her whereabouts for over 11 years is harmful to the chld’s parents, because of the anguish and despair it causes, which may and often does have long term repercussions for health and general well being.  Look at the family of Sarah Payne for example and tell me that they were not victims of a dreadful crime, alongside their daughter, whose suffering was at least mercifully short.

[G-Unit]

I thought we were discussing what it is to be a victim.  You claim being targeted is an essential component of victimhood, I was pointing out that this is not true.  If you are harmed by an act, intentional or not, you are a victim of said act.  Losing a child and being unaware of her whereabouts for over 11 years is harmful to the chld’s parents, because of the anguish and despair it causes, which may and often does have long term repercussions for health and general well being.  Look at the family of Sarah Payne for example and tell me that they were not victims of a dreadful crime, alongside their daughter, whose suffering was at least mercifully short.

There are three main theories about what happened to Madeleine McCann, but no proof. Until a crime is identified the only confirmed victim is Madeleine.

[Venturi Swirl]

There are three main theories about what happened to Madeleine McCann, but no proof. Until a crime is identified the only confirmed victim is Madeleine.

So if and when it is confirmed that Madeleine was abducted then we can certainly include the McCanns as victims of this terrible crime. 

[G-Unit]

So if and when it is confirmed that Madeleine was abducted then we can certainly include the McCanns as victims of this terrible crime.

I'm still quite uncomfortable with this definition of a victim. My viewpoint is clearer when looking at it from another angle;

victimisation
the action of singling someone out for cruel or unjust treatment.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=vicyimisation&oq=vicyimisation&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.7031j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If Madeleine was abducted she was singled out, but it's quite possible that the abductor didn't give a thought to the effect on her wider family. In which case they are the victims of the circumstances, not of the crime. I began this discussion in answer to;

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If maddue, was, abducted as may well be the, reason for her disappearance the whole McCann family are victims of an awful crime
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10493.msg506005#msg506005

[ShiningInLuz]

What’s a victim impact statement for then, in cases involving murder?

Please clarify.

I'm looking at the Dawson case in Australia.

Will a victim impact statement affect the jury verdict?

 

[Mr Gray]

Please clarify.

I'm looking at the Dawson case in Australia.

Will a victim impact statement affect the jury verdict?

 

I think you will find victim impact statement s are given after the verdict

[Mr Gray]

I'm still quite uncomfortable with this definition of a victim. My viewpoint is clearer when looking at it from another angle;

victimisation
the action of singling someone out for cruel or unjust treatment.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=vicyimisation&oq=vicyimisation&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.7031j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If Madeleine was abducted she was singled out, but it's quite possible that the abductor didn't give a thought to the effect on her wider family. In which case they are the victims of the circumstances, not of the crime. I began this discussion in answer to;

snip/

If maddue, was, abducted as may well be the, reason for her disappearance the whole McCann family are victims of an awful crime
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10493.msg506005#msg506005

It's not really important what your personal views, are according to the justice system family members are victims if crime

[G-Unit]

It's not really important what your personal views, are according to the justice system family members are victims if crime

Well when the crime has been identified we'll learn what their status is, won't we? Until then saying they are victims is an opinion, not a fact.

[Mr Gray]

Well when the crime has been identified we'll learn what their status is, won't we? Until then saying they are victims is an opinion, not a fact.

If you read my post... You will see what I have said and it is totally correct

[Mr Gray]

Well when the crime has been identified we'll learn what their status is, won't we? Until then saying they are victims is an opinion, not a fact.

I haven't said the McCann's are victims of crime... I have said... IF Maddie was abducted ...then they are victims of a crime... And have supplied cites to support it

[Venturi Swirl]

I'm still quite uncomfortable with this definition of a victim. My viewpoint is clearer when looking at it from another angle;

victimisation
the action of singling someone out for cruel or unjust treatment.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=vicyimisation&oq=vicyimisation&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.7031j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If Madeleine was abducted she was singled out, but it's quite possible that the abductor didn't give a thought to the effect on her wider family. In which case they are the victims of the circumstances, not of the crime. I began this discussion in answer to;

snip/

If maddue, was, abducted as may well be the, reason for her disappearance the whole McCann family are victims of an awful crime
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10493.msg506005#msg506005

If your house is broken into and a burglar steals your priceless family mementos are you not a victim of a crime?  How much more so then are you a victim if they take not your priceless family mementos but your irreplaceable daughter instead?

[John]

Please stay within topic guys.

[Venturi Swirl]

There wasn’t a fire in Block 5. Has there ever been a fire in block 5?  If not statistics, would indicate that having your child disappear into thin air is more likely to happen in Block 5 than a fire breaking out so why are we discussing this actually?

[Eleanor]

There wasn’t a fire in Block 5. Has there ever been a fire in block 5?  If not statistics, would indicate that having your child disappear into thin air is more likely to happen in Block 5 than a fire breaking out so why are we discussing this actually?

Apart from my son's completely useless advice, I have no idea.