Prof Knight's Trial Testimony Re Marks to NB's back.

[Caroline]

I have given 14 reasons why Bamber would.

It would only take a few seconds. While the aga was heating the rifle, Bamber could continue framing the scene.

In Bamber's situation how would you have checked for life ?

If you wanted to check if someone was dead, would you burn them? Or just given them a kick or pinch them?

[APRIL]

If you wanted to check if someone was dead, would you burn them? Or just given them a kick or pinch them?

'Spose you could risk using another bullet. If you're going to inherit a small fortune, In guess you could afford it?

[Caroline]

'Spose you could risk using another bullet. If you're going to inherit a small fortune, In guess you could afford it?

Given that part of his brain was exposed, it was pretty certain he was dead.

[adam]

If you wanted to check if someone was dead, would you burn them? Or just given them a kick or pinch them?

Pinch him ? A 5 year old Bamber may have pinched Sheila to try to make her cry. However he's not going to pinch a 6.4, 16 stone male who had just given Bamber the fight of his life  after being shot 4 times.

How would kicking someone be checking for signs of life ?

Why do you believe Bamber lifted Nevill onto the coal scuttle, so his pyjama top could easily be pulled up to expose his back ?

[adam]

Given that part of his brain was exposed, it was pretty certain he was dead.

Bamber would not have seen any brain underneath Nevill's hair. Blood may spurt a foot into the air in movies, but not in real life.

Bamber was not sure whether his 4 upstairs shots & brutal kitchen  beating had killed Nevill. Which is why he shot Nevill downstairs another 4 times. It's logical he used the aga next to Nevill to simultaneously burn his back.

A semi concious/aiive Nevill would move when receiving the extreme burning pain.

What else do you believe the three rifle nozzle shape burn marks on Nevill's back were ?

[adam]

The three rifle nozzle shape burn marks being an old war wound can be ruled out. Bamber would have seen his fathers bare back several times in the 24 years he was Nevill's son & would have noticed the distinctive marks.

Not sure how a farming accident would cause three separate burn marks in the same location. Something may cause one injury, but then making the same mistake twice more & getting the same injuries in the same locations would not happen.

[adam]

Most supporters, experts & guilters agree that the burn marks were caused by Nevill's killer.

Bamber even used the burn marks in his 2012 appeal to claim the they were caused without the silencer attached.

Supporters claim Sheila suddenly stopped her uncontrollable rage, to be totally composed & calculated & stand by the aga. Although have not said who helped her lift Nevill onto the coal scuttle.

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It would have taken Sheila well over 5 minutes to heat the rifle using the aga.  A big chunk of her 22 or 38 minute time window before the police arrived, considering the mountain of other things she was supposed to have done -

'How long does it take to heat metal?

With a high BTU plumbers torch and starting with a totally cold forge it may take 4 to 5 minutes. You'll know it is ready when the brick starts to glow bright orange inside. Play with it a bit and you'll learn when it's hot and when it's not'.

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Metal also does not melt so any rifle used would not look any different -

'No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC." FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F)'.

[adam]

Bamber has confirmed they were burn marks, in his 2012 CCRC application..

He wouldn't base his appeal around the burn marks unless he was 100% sure they were burn marks. He was 100% sure, as he made them !

The CCRC's 2012 rejection was nothing to do with them not being burn marks. More to do with the fact that the marks were inconclusive about whether they were caused with or without the silencer attached. Common sense also says if 'without', then Bamber had simply burned Nevill after shooting Sheila & taking the silencer off.

[Caroline]

Most supporters, experts & guilters agree that the burn marks were caused by Nevill's killer.

Bamber even used the burn marks in his 2012 appeal to claim the they were caused without the silencer attached.

Supporters claim Sheila suddenly stopped her uncontrollable rage, to be totally composed & calculated & stand by the aga. Although have not said who helped her lift Nevill onto the coal scuttle.

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It would have taken Sheila well over 5 minutes to heat the rifle using the aga.  A big chunk of her 22 or 38 minute time window before the police arrived, considering the mountain of other things she was supposed to have done -

'How long does it take to heat metal?

With a high BTU plumbers torch and starting with a totally cold forge it may take 4 to 5 minutes. You'll know it is ready when the brick starts to glow bright orange inside. Play with it a bit and you'll learn when it's hot and when it's not'.

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Metal also does not melt so any rifle used would not look any different -

'No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC." FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F)'.

I make rings from coins and when metal is heated, it changes colour. Granted I use white metal but I would think any metal put inside the aga would end up scorched on the surface. I will look for something similar and heat it to see what happens.

[adam]

I make rings from coins and when metal is heated, it changes colour. Granted I use white metal but I would think any metal put inside the aga would end up scorched on the surface. I will look for something similar and heat it to see what happens.

Bamber could have used any rifle at WHF to burn Nevill. Which again shows why he was confident enough in 2012 to say the burn marks were without the silencer.

Any rifle nozzle in the gun cupboard that looked a bit burnt, the police would not have noticed as it did not relate to the massacre at all.  The burn marks only really became an issue 27 years later in 2012.

But as said, heating a rifle nozzle to a scalding hot level may have not changed it's appearance anyway.

[APRIL]

Without knowing how the Aga was fired, it's difficult to be conclusive, but it WAS high summer, so quite reasonably it wouldn't have been going full blast at that time of year, OR at that time of the night/morning. How much of a difference might this have made to the time it would have taken to heat up the rifle?

[Angelo222]

Without knowing how the Aga was fired, it's difficult to be conclusive, but it WAS high summer, so quite reasonably it wouldn't have been going full blast at that time of year, OR at that time of the night/morning. How much of a difference might this have made to the time it would have taken to heat up the rifle?

It was a sold fuel Aga so as it was the middle of summer it was probably unlit imo.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=345.msg7236#msg7236

[APRIL]

It was a sold fuel Aga so as it was the middle of summer it was probably unlit imo.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=345.msg7236#msg7236

It makes perfect sense, Angelo. I've yet to know anyone who'd waste fuel by heating a house in high summer.Besides which, the heat they throw out in an already warm environment can make it uncomfortable to be in. My Aga'd up friends all have alternative methods of cooking/heating water.

[adam]

Bamber can always turn the aga on.

[Angelo222]

Bamber can always turn the aga on.

It has to be lit and fired up and that takes time.