Author Topic: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?  (Read 32803 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #285 on: June 14, 2019, 07:52:58 PM »
May we have a Cite for that.

In here you'll find the request to interview him along with the other previous occupants of 5A
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

In here you'll find his name confirming his statement is being sent along with a lot of others.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm
Read and abide by the forum rules.
Result = happy posting.
Ignore and break the rules
Result = edits, deletions and unhappiness
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0

Offline Eleanor

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #286 on: June 14, 2019, 08:14:32 PM »
No it isn't. I don't know who was involved in typing this letter.

So not much cop then.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #287 on: June 14, 2019, 08:17:00 PM »
In here you'll find the request to interview him along with the other previous occupants of 5A
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

In here you'll find his name confirming his statement is being sent along with a lot of others.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm

What?  Like The Gaspar Statements, do you mean?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #288 on: June 14, 2019, 09:27:54 PM »
What?  Like The Gaspar Statements, do you mean?

I don't quite know what you mean?
Read and abide by the forum rules.
Result = happy posting.
Ignore and break the rules
Result = edits, deletions and unhappiness
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #289 on: June 14, 2019, 09:45:10 PM »
Leicestershire police, with the rogatory interview requested by the PJ.
So no likelihood of it being a forgery then.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #290 on: June 14, 2019, 11:01:37 PM »
So no likelihood of it being a forgery then.

What it is is an unsigned letter, not a police statement. The reason I'm interested in it is the sequence of events. The
letter is dated 06/05/2007.

On 7th January 2008 the contents were leaked to the Evening Standard. The newspaper says 'it was revealed yesterday', but doesn't say by whom. It says ' Mr Gordon was interviewed by Scotland Yard detectives and Metodo 3'. Jeremy Wilkins was interviewed by Scotland Yard and his statement is completely different; it is indeed a police statement.

Mr Gordon, the newspaper admits 'refused to comment about his statement', so who leaked it to the Standard and why?

It was after this newspaper article that LP did an identikit image with Gordon, on 17th January 2007. Seven months after his first 'statement'

Read and abide by the forum rules.
Result = happy posting.
Ignore and break the rules
Result = edits, deletions and unhappiness
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #291 on: June 14, 2019, 11:35:14 PM »
What it is is an unsigned letter, not a police statement. The reason I'm interested in it is the sequence of events. The
letter is dated 06/05/2007.

On 7th January 2008 the contents were leaked to the Evening Standard. The newspaper says 'it was revealed yesterday', but doesn't say by whom. It says ' Mr Gordon was interviewed by Scotland Yard detectives and Metodo 3'. Jeremy Wilkins was interviewed by Scotland Yard and his statement is completely different; it is indeed a police statement.

Mr Gordon, the newspaper admits 'refused to comment about his statement', so who leaked it to the Standard and why?

It was after this newspaper article that LP did an identikit image with Gordon, on 17th January 2007. Seven months after his first 'statement'
You seem to be smelling a rat unless I am very much mistaken.  But as the paperwork went through the hands of the LP I’m not quite sure what it is you think is going on here.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #292 on: June 15, 2019, 09:06:04 AM »
You seem to be smelling a rat unless I am very much mistaken.  But as the paperwork went through the hands of the LP I’m not quite sure what it is you think is going on here.

Why wasn't a proper police statement produced on 6th May 2007? In my opinion it's because  it wasn't the police Gordon spoke  to.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2019, 10:58:13 AM by Robittybob1 »
Read and abide by the forum rules.
Result = happy posting.
Ignore and break the rules
Result = edits, deletions and unhappiness
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0

Offline jassi

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #293 on: June 15, 2019, 09:29:19 AM »
Why wasn't a proper police statement produced on 6th May 2007? In my opinion it's because  it wasn't the police Gordon spoke  to.

Who else might he have contacted?  Or did someone contact him and if so, why so early in the game ?
« Last Edit: June 15, 2019, 10:57:31 AM by Robittybob1 »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #294 on: June 15, 2019, 10:12:26 AM »
Who else might he have contacted?  Or did someone contact him and if so, why so early in the game ?

I was trying to work that out. He said in his rog interview that he phoned the police in May, but if so why didn't they take a bona fide statement? If someone contacted him who were they? We have been led to believe that no-one else began to investigate until CRG arrived on the scene. 
Read and abide by the forum rules.
Result = happy posting.
Ignore and break the rules
Result = edits, deletions and unhappiness
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #295 on: June 15, 2019, 10:21:22 AM »
I was trying to work that out. He said in his rog interview that he phoned the police in May, but if so why didn't they take a bona fide statement? If someone contacted him who were they? We have been led to believe that no-one else began to investigate until CRG arrived on the scene.
Where was he when this interview took place?

In this sentence you talk of a scene "We have been led to believe that no-one else began to investigate until CRG arrived on the scene", am I right thinking the scene was PdL?  What makes you think Paul Gordon was at PdL on the 6th?

Why did you write the date " 6th May 200??"  why the double "??" ?
Moderation
John has instructed all moderators to take a very strong line with posters who constantly breach the rules of this forum.  This sniping, goading, name calling and other various forms of disruption will cease.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #296 on: June 15, 2019, 10:37:43 AM »
Where was he when this interview took place?

In this sentence you talk of a scene "We have been led to believe that no-one else began to investigate until CRG arrived on the scene", am I right thinking the scene was PdL?  What makes you think Paul Gordon was at PdL on the 6th?

Why did you write the date " 6th May 200??"  why the double "??" ?

He was back in the UK, having returned on 28th April. Jassi asked if someone contacted him, but as I said, only LP and the PJ were investigating before CRG appeared. Saying 'the scene' is a figure of speech, it's not meant to refer to a particular location. The double question marks are a typo.

How come there was no proper police statement taken?

Read and abide by the forum rules.
Result = happy posting.
Ignore and break the rules
Result = edits, deletions and unhappiness
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #297 on: June 15, 2019, 11:01:47 AM »
He was back in the UK, having returned on 28th April. Jassi asked if someone contacted him, but as I said, only LP and the PJ were investigating before CRG appeared. Saying 'the scene' is a figure of speech, it's not meant to refer to a particular location. The double question marks are a typo.

How come there was no proper police statement taken?
Right I've amended your post  to remove the double ??.
So why do you think it isn't a "proper police statement"?
Moderation
John has instructed all moderators to take a very strong line with posters who constantly breach the rules of this forum.  This sniping, goading, name calling and other various forms of disruption will cease.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #298 on: June 15, 2019, 05:17:00 PM »
Right I've amended your post  to remove the double ??.
So why do you think it isn't a "proper police statement"?

It isn't a police statement because it isn't signed and it doesn't include this;

 a declaration by the maker that it is true to the best of his/her knowledge and belief and that it was made knowing that, if it were tendered in evidence, the maker would be liable to prosecution if s/he wilfully stated in it anything which he knew to be false or did not believe to be true (known as a `perjury declaration');
http://www.hse.gov.uk/enforce/enforcementguide/investigation/witness-witness.htm
Read and abide by the forum rules.
Result = happy posting.
Ignore and break the rules
Result = edits, deletions and unhappiness
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=2.0

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #299 on: June 15, 2019, 05:36:18 PM »
The accused in any case is legally obliged to answer any questions, including questions about what they told the police in their previous witness statements. That make the answers to those questions admissible evidence.
.

The proscecution can bring to the attention to the court the various interviews and the reconstruction done by the BBC. They can also call witneses to attest what the defendants told them in relatin to the case. ie the Tapas witneses. They can call the PJ and Amaral as witneses against the McCanns by relaying what they were told and how they behaved.

And a clever prosecution team could make a  case based on circumstancial evidence.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin