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Offline Brietta

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #540 on: November 13, 2017, 10:02:16 PM »
The whole point is, that to prove an abductor existed, you need evidence.

I have yet to see unassailable evidence of that.

You may have seen nothing ... but fortunately for Madeleine's case and hopefully for Madeleine herself Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria have seen enough to keep them actively pursuing the evidence which may lead to resolution.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #541 on: November 13, 2017, 10:05:28 PM »
The car you refer to was in the north car park belonging to block 6.

Hmmm ... so leaving the North parking area, a right then a left turn leads them past the entrance to the car park at block five ... OK.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #542 on: November 13, 2017, 10:07:41 PM »
The car you refer to was in the north car park belonging to block 6.
as opposed to one in the south car park?  How did you work that out?
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Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #543 on: November 13, 2017, 10:13:20 PM »
In my opinion ... a constructive opinion which is all perfectly workable and commensurate with the circumstances surrounding Madeleine McCann's disappearance.  The investigation of which in my opinion could have been classed as one in which "none so blind as those xwho will not see" seemed to prevail.

That is how I regard Sadie's theories.

'Seeing' what she wants to see.

How about Sadie's theories as to Madeleine's origins ?

Do you share those as well ?

How do you know the investigation is being actively pursued ?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #544 on: November 13, 2017, 10:13:53 PM »
It is a theory so how can you say that it isn't a fact that the theoretical car didn't exist.  OK it might not exist in your preferred theory but that is just another theory.

It's  fact that there is no evidence to suggest that the car existed. The evidence available from the witnesses present actually suggests the opposite.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #545 on: November 13, 2017, 10:22:20 PM »
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Neither border nor marine police were given descriptions of Madeleine for many hours, and officers did not appear to make extensive door-to-door inquiries.[70] According to Madeleine's mother, roadblocks were first put in place at 10 am the next morning.[54] Police did not request motorway surveillance pictures of vehicles leaving Praia da Luz that night, or of the road between Lagos and Vila Real de Santo António on the Spanish border; the company that monitors the road, Euroscut, said they were not approached for information.[71] It took Interpol five days to issue a global missing-person alert.[54]
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann.html

Yeah triffic.
The cites mentioned above would seem to be:
[54] Kate McCann's book.
[70] Guardian article
[71] Telegraph article.
I had rather hoped you might find something more substantive with better provenance.
It appears the assertions cannot be demonstrated.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #546 on: November 13, 2017, 11:23:33 PM »
Hmmm ... so leaving the North parking area, a right then a left turn leads them past the entrance to the car park at block five ... OK.

It does.

They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend's apartment was located;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm
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Offline misty

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« Reply #547 on: November 13, 2017, 11:31:07 PM »
It does.

They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend's apartment was located;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm

That would have taken them towards Murat's villa, not Block 5.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #548 on: November 13, 2017, 11:42:08 PM »
It does.

They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend's apartment was located;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm

Taking a right then a left from where you insist, might have endangered Mrs Murat yet again should she have endeavoured to exit her drive around that time ... but I do not think it would have enabled them to pass the entrance to block five as the witness described they did in the continuation of the cite you have provided.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #549 on: November 13, 2017, 11:47:01 PM »
That would have taken them towards Murat's villa, not Block 5.

They used the exit facing block 5.



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Offline misty

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #550 on: November 13, 2017, 11:55:09 PM »
They used the exit facing block 5.
I apologise, you are correct. That exit is the only way in or out of Block 6 north car park.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #551 on: November 13, 2017, 11:58:29 PM »
Here it is;

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Offline Brietta

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #552 on: November 14, 2017, 12:51:22 AM »
I apologise, you are correct. That exit is the only way in or out of Block 6 north car park.

In my opinion the design of block six differs considerably from block five. The witness does not say exactly where the vehicle was parked but she does give a clear indication of exactly where the residence was situated.

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. That she often visits ********, sister of her boyfriend, who resides in Block 6, Apartment 5 in the resort known as the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, in Lagos
. The block in question is contiguous with that one occupied by the McCann family, and is a ground-floor with a kitchen window having visibility to the back windows of the apartment occupied by Madeleine McCann;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm
Front of block 6 at the Praia Da Luz Ocean Club Resort where Madeleine McCann went missing from flat 5a in block 5 of the resort in Portugal (Image: Philip Coburn / Daily Mirror)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-happened-praia-da-luz-10256470
   
      ... and in 2017 still confusion of what is front and what is back.


These are the ground floor windows from which the windows of 5A can be seen.  In my opinion it is six of one and half a dozen of the other which car park was more convenient to be used ... but whichever ... it is a matter of opinion; but it is a fact that a vehicle moved from a car park in close proximity to apartment 5A and no-one apart from the occupants noted it.  Not only an invisible abductor but an invisible vehicle unless we go with the witness statement.
But still, in my opinion, a valid part of Sadie's theory of what events might have taken place on the night Madeleine vanished.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2017, 01:02:50 AM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #553 on: November 14, 2017, 01:53:49 AM »
Arlindo  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm
". When he left, he noticed that the dark blue vehicle was no longer in its location (previously noted) and does not know of the existence or any connection between the presence of that vehicle and the disappearance of the child; "  A car had moved.
Oh, thank you, Rob.

Offline sadie

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #554 on: November 14, 2017, 02:38:43 AM »
In Sadie's theory, at least 3 people would have been required - a watcher, an abductor & a getaway driver. A watcher would have had no quick route from the upper north balcony in Block 6 to the south car park. IMO.
Even * IF * there was no ultra quick way thru to the car parking area opposite the tapas reception, it would have been simplicity itself for The Watcher to exit via the front steps, turning right (east) and almost immeditely turn right again (south) down the alleyway that leads to the other end of that same little car park, which needed a third right turn. 

If the getaway vehicle were parked at this eastern end of the car park, then it would be out of sight of the Tapas Reception and really very hidden ... Just another vehicle parked to the casual eye.


So, in some ways this route would be better to disguiise the Watcher and the vehicle

1)  Vehicle tucked away, yet close and convenient  ..... HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT
2)  Watcher exited the balcony and walked away in the opposite direction to 5A ... so any one who saw him would not associate him with the goings on at 5A...... his actions effectively made his deeds be HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT

He then turned a second corner, going right again, (south) into the first alleyway, before turning right for a third time and walking into the car park and climbing into the vehicle.  Anyone seeing him come into the car parking area would see that he had NOT come from 5A direction, but from the opposite direction  So once again his deeds were effectively HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT



And the total distance that he would have walked  from the bottom of the stairs to the getaway vehicle = 70 metres

Achievable easily in just over a minute, probaly less for a younger man.  Perfect tioming again to match the lifting and taking of Madeleine

AIMHO   Just a theory