Brexit has well and truly begun!

[Venturi Swirl]

What? You admitted that you, as a small business owner, have made no attempt to educated yourself about how to deal with a no deal exit from the EU. You also admitted that you had no plans to do so. The only plan you seem to have is to just keep on complaining if your business goes down the pan. When your defeatist attitude was pointed out you admitted being a wimp and said it was due to the fact that you weren't around in the post WW2 era.

I'm sure there are small business owners of a similar age who are taking action in an effort to save their businesses  if a no deal Brexit happens. They may or may not succeed, but at least they'll have tried to save their businesses, their employees jobs and they may yet enjoy their retirement plans. What do you think should happen to those wimps who put no effort in?

Could I please have a cite for where I admitted I had made no attempt to educate myself and had made no plans to do so?  I think I outlined my plans insofar as I am able without giving away any detail of the business I am in.  Much of the planning you referred to does not in any case apply to my business but to the businesses that I buy from who import the product from the continent in the first place.   You really don’t seem to understand self-deprecating humour, though clearly enjoy making light of other more serious subject matters.  You have at least admitted that Brexit will bring adversity and that those less well equipped to deal with it will suffer greatly.  And you seem to think this is a good thing!!

[G-Unit]

Could I please have a cite for where I admitted I had made no attempt to educate myself and had made no plans to do so?  I think I outlined my plans insofar as I am able without giving away any detail of the business I am in.  Much of the planning you referred to does not in any case apply to my business but to the businesses that I buy from who import the product from the continent in the first place.   You really don’t seem to understand self-deprecating humour, though clearly enjoy making light of other more serious subject matters.  You have at least admitted that Brexit will bring adversity and that those less well equipped to deal with it will suffer greatly.  And you seem to think this is a good thing!!

I don't see why you would need to hide the nature of your business, but I expect you have your reasons. If I misunderstood your posts it's perhaps because you were being obscure.

Playing games doesn't impress me, so I'll end our discussion here.

[Venturi Swirl]

I don't see why you would need to hide the nature of your business, but I expect you have your reasons. If I misunderstood your posts it's perhaps because you were being obscure.

Playing games doesn't impress me, so I'll end our discussion here.

I’m not playing games, I have been as frank as I dare be, but I do have quite a specialist business and I know from bitter experience the lengths some people will go to to “out” me.  I’m not pointing the finger at anyone on this forum specifically before you suggest it. 
The long and the short of it is that a no deal Brexit will have a negative impact on my business certainly in the short term (six months to a year), how can it not?  The question is, will I be able to survive six months to a year of post Brexit consequences?  Will I get the stock I need in time and at a price my customers will be prepared to pay?  Will I turn over enough to keep two people in part-time employment?  Will I be able to pay all my significant overheads?   No amount of planning and reading up on the subject is likely to make everything plain sailing, despite what you seem to think, and if my business crashes it will not be through a lack of business acumen, hard graft and balls on my part. 

[G-Unit]

I’m not playing games, I have been as frank as I dare be, but I do have quite a specialist business and I know from bitter experience the lengths some people will go to to “out” me.  I’m not pointing the finger at anyone on this forum specifically before you suggest it. 
The long and the short of it is that a no deal Brexit will have a negative impact on my business certainly in the short term (six months to a year), how can it not?  The question is, will I be able to survive six months to a year of post Brexit consequences?  Will I get the stock I need in time and at a price my customers will be prepared to pay?  Will I turn over enough to keep two people in part-time employment?  Will I be able to pay all my significant overheads?   No amount of planning and reading up on the subject is likely to make everything plain sailing, despite what you seem to think, and if my business crashes it will not be through a lack of business acumen, hard graft and balls on my part.

I can think of a few things you can do to inform yourself of future problems. Have you done anything at all?

[Alice Purjorick]

Didn't we adopt them as our own in the Withdrawal Bill?

Yes because we had no choice.
This and the immigration bit are where I believe the rabid "leavers" in parliament led the proles up the garden path and dropped them in the pond.
We have to retain EU laws otherwise we have a gaping hole in our legal system which cannot be allowed.
Net EU immigration in 2016 was 74,000 out of a total 248,000, by my reckoning 248k less 74k is few more than the tens of thousands bandied about and those 160k+ are the ones we have little control over.
EU workers taking UK jobs? Well not in agriculture see Tolpuddle Martyrs;  nor in catering. There were issues ten to twenty years ago with French labour taking jobs Brits would not in hotels along the south coast.
Grayling's idea of self sufficiency in food is beyond parody. We nearly starved to death in two world wars and rationing in 1951 was stricter than in the war years. We relied on plundering our Empire for more than a century for our food stuffs.
So that's a few key planks of the leave campaign well and truly mullered......but we were not told that.

[G-Unit]

Yes because we had no choice.
This and the immigration bit are where I believe the rabid "leavers" in parliament led the proles up the garden path and dropped them in the pond.
We have to retain EU laws otherwise we have a gaping hole in our legal system which cannot be allowed.
Net EU immigration in 2016 was 74,000 out of a total 248,000, by my reckoning 248k less 74k is few more than the tens of thousands bandied about and those 160k+ are the ones we have little control over.
EU workers taking UK jobs? Well not in agriculture see Tolpuddle Martyrs;  nor in catering. There were issues ten to twenty years ago with French labour taking jobs Brits would not in hotels along the south coast.
Grayling's idea of self sufficiency in food is beyond parody. We nearly starved to death in two world wars and rationing in 1951 was stricter than in the war years. We relied on plundering our Empire for more than a century for our food stuffs.
So that's a few key planks of the leave campaign well and truly mullered......but we were not told that.

I can only speak for what I see. I spent quite a lot of time in our local Casualty a while back. It was difficult not to notice how many of those waiting didn't speak English as their native language. They were in the majority. I don't begrudge them being treated, but it definitely created pressure on our NHS which was not being acknowledged by politicians. I saw doctors and nurses who were struggling to reach the targets those politicians were setting. The same unacknowledged pressure was exerted on GP's, housing and probably in other areas.

Rationing wasn't just imposed because of food shortages. There was less food available and there were concerns about fairness. Those with money could afford to buy up the scarce goods and stockpile, leaving poorer people in desperate straights. We're unlikely to be unable to import food after a no deal Brexit, but prices will rise and again the poor will suffer most.

It is as it ever was. Those with money can buy what they need. It is those who are on low incomes who will always suffer from cuts in services or rising prices. That's how I see it.

[Venturi Swirl]

I can think of a few things you can do to inform yourself of future problems. Have you done anything at all?

Such as?

[Venturi Swirl]

I can only speak for what I see. I spent quite a lot of time in our local Casualty a while back. It was difficult not to notice how many of those waiting didn't speak English as their native language. They were in the majority. I don't begrudge them being treated, but it definitely created pressure on our NHS which was not being acknowledged by politicians. I saw doctors and nurses who were struggling to reach the targets those politicians were setting. The same unacknowledged pressure was exerted on GP's, housing and probably in other areas.

Rationing wasn't just imposed because of food shortages. There was less food available and there were concerns about fairness. Those with money could afford to buy up the scarce goods and stockpile, leaving poorer people in desperate straights. We're unlikely to be unable to import food after a no deal Brexit, but prices will rise and again the poor will suffer most.

It is as it ever was. Those with money can buy what they need. It is those who are on low incomes who will always suffer from cuts in services or rising prices. That's how I see it.

I was in A & E for several hours this year, hospital for two weeks and in and out of hospital all year.  I would say a good 50% of staff attending to me were non British nationals.  I was in a ward where 5 sixths of the patients were old, white, British, this in a part of the city with high levels of Asiian immigration.  Make of those statistics what you will.  Brexit will as you admit hit the poorest the hardest so why would anyone with any sort of social conscience think that no-deal Brexit will be good or even just “ok” for this country?  It won’t in my (ignorant, ill-informed, don’t read-anything, wimpish) opinion.

[G-Unit]

Such as?

You tell me what you've done and then I'll give you my thoughts.

[Venturi Swirl]

You tell me what you've done and then I'll give you my thoughts.

Now you’re playing games.  If you have some advice for me that you think will help me and my business survive the impact of a no-deal Brexit then kindly share it. 

[G-Unit]

I was in A & E for several hours this year, hospital for two weeks and in and out of hospital all year.  I would say a good 50% of staff attending to me were non British nationals.  I was in a ward where 5 sixths of the patients were old, white, British, this in a part of the city with high levels of Asiian immigration.  Make of those statistics what you will.  Brexit will as you admit hit the poorest the hardest so why would anyone with any sort of social conscience think that no-deal Brexit will be good or even just “ok” for this country?  It won’t in my (ignorant, ill-informed, don’t read-anything, wimpish) opinion.

I've never said I thought it was good, I said it might not be the car crash being predicted. Most of the prophets of doom are concerned about business needs. If challenged they will say successful businesses=more GDP, more tax revenue and more jobs. Well Amazon is doing great, but it manages not to pay much tax and it doesn't offer job security to it's employees. They are not the only ones either.

[Alice Purjorick]

I can only speak for what I see. I spent quite a lot of time in our local Casualty a while back. It was difficult not to notice how many of those waiting didn't speak English as their native language. They were in the majority. I don't begrudge them being treated, but it definitely created pressure on our NHS which was not being acknowledged by politicians. I saw doctors and nurses who were struggling to reach the targets those politicians were setting. The same unacknowledged pressure was exerted on GP's, housing and probably in other areas.

Rationing wasn't just imposed because of food shortages. There was less food available and there were concerns about fairness. Those with money could afford to buy up the scarce goods and stockpile, leaving poorer people in desperate straights. We're unlikely to be unable to import food after a no deal Brexit, but prices will rise and again the poor will suffer most.

It is as it ever was. Those with money can buy what they need. It is those who are on low incomes who will always suffer from cuts in services or rising prices. That's how I see it.

If they are not EU citizens or paying up front, I begrudge it.
"That'll be cash on the barrelhead, son
You can take your choice
You're twenty one
No money down
No credit plan
No time to chase you
'Cause I'm a busy man"
Join the waiting list squire.

The rich stockpiling only works with goods that can be stockpiled. Bread was rationed when I was a kid.

[G-Unit]

Now you’re playing games.  If you have some advice for me that you think will help me and my business survive the impact of a no-deal Brexit then kindly share it.

I tried that, only to realise I was wasting my time. You may have already taken the steps I'm thinking of, so I'll wait until I know what you've already done first.

[Venturi Swirl]

I've never said I thought it was good, I said it might not be the car crash being predicted. Most of the prophets of doom are concerned about business needs. If challenged they will say successful businesses=more GDP, more tax revenue and more jobs. Well Amazon is doing great, but it manages not to pay much tax and it doesn't offer job security to it's employees. They are not the only ones either.

I’m not quite sure what you’re on about,  Amazon is an international business and in a supremely powerful position to cope with any impact from post Brexit no-deal chaos.  Most businesses are not Amazon, and Brexit could even be an advantage for internet giants such as them if it causes the closure of even more high street shops in the aftermath of a no deal.

[Venturi Swirl]

I tried that, only to realise I was wasting my time. You may have already taken the steps I'm thinking of, so I'll wait until I know what you've already done first.

I have taken no steps at all.  Now over to you.