"no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive

[Angelo222]

I don't see that the side entryway was lit. Once on the steps up to the apartment I believe someone would be hard to spot unless you were actively looking up the steps.



Hopefully this photograph from 8th May 2007 shows what I mean.

The light in this particular instance was a white media light and not the sodium street lights.  The steps which led up to the patio door were partially lit by a street light which is positioned on the other side of the main road.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Oh.  They achieved the impossible then!

Who  mentioned it was impossible to damage shutters?

You are getting confused  with the claim that the shutters were jemmied and opened and a burglar grabbed MBM and climbed back out the window all with in the space of a few minutes- while her dad was outside and JT  was walking up towards the apartment- and he/she/theynever left a mark. NOT A ONE  ummm well  yeah now that is impossible.

However, once we got hold of the files we were alerted to unlocked doors ... and the walked and wandered theories began to be floated. Which ofcourse, as you know, was denied by the 'family' in order to protect their reputation.

[Venturi Swirl]

Who  mentioned it was impossible to damage shutters?

However, once we got hold of the files we were alerted to unlocked doors ... and the walked and wandered theories began to be floated. Which ofcourse, as you know, was denied by the 'family' in order to protect their reputation.

”woke and wandered”, “abducted from an unlocked apartment” , why should one be far more reputation ruining than the other?  In either case the children were left alone in an unsecured apartment.

[Robittybob1]

”woke and wandered”, “abducted from an unlocked apartment” , why should one be far more reputation ruining than the other?  In either case the children were left alone in an unsecured apartment.

Do the others agree with VS?

[Mr Gray]

Do the others agree with VS?

I certainly do

[misty]

Do the others agree with VS?

Yes - and imo the parents' reputations were already being damaged well before it became clear Madeleine was not going to be found within a reasonable time.

[sadie]

I don't see that the side entryway was lit. Once on the steps up to the apartment I believe someone would be hard to spot unless you were actively looking up the steps.



Hopefully this photograph from 8th May 2007 shows what I mean.

That photograph is no good. 
The street lights are switched off ... and as Angelo states the scene was illuminated by media lights.

Also it is correct, as John pointed out a few months ago, that when on, the closest street lamp did not illuminate the entire length of steps.   There would be some light from the street lamp opposite the tapas reception, which would illuminate any person walking up the steps and possibly the steps themselves when the bushes were freshly trimmed as on May 3rd 2007..

[Sunny]

That photograph is no good. 
The street lights are switched off ... and as Angelo states the scene was illuminated by media lights.

Also it is correct, as John pointed out a few months ago, that when on, the closest street lamp did not illuminate the entire length of steps.   There would be some light from the street lamp opposite the tapas reception, which would illuminate any person walking up the steps and possibly the steps themselves when the bushes were freshly trimmed as on May 3rd 2007..

No sadie the street lights are not switched off. The glare from the media does overwhelm it somewhat but you can still see the yellowish glow shining on the McCanns and Mrs Fenn's apartments.

[sadie]

No sadie the street lights are not switched off. The glare from the media does overwhelm it somewhat but you can still see the yellowish glow shining on the McCanns and Mrs Fenn's apartments.

There are two street lamps, one opposite the patio area to 5A and one oppsite the Tapas Reception area, but no shadows for either

If the media lamps are too strong to obliterate these shadows then they will also be too strong to show lighting on the steps.  The photo is useless because of these reasons


... and also because it is taken from such an angle that one cannot see the steps anyway

Soz Sunny, a good try.

[Brietta]

Yes - and imo the parents' reputations were already being damaged well before it became clear Madeleine was not going to be found within a reasonable time.

I agree with VS too.  Just as I agree that in the shortest possible space of time after Madeleine's disappearance the seeds were being sown to trash the reputations of her parents as well as any and all with the slightest association with them.
That is not opinion ... it is documented fact ... starting with a 'badly told story' and not yet ended.

[barrier]

I agree with VS too.  Just as I agree that in the shortest possible space of time after Madeleine's disappearance the seeds were being sown to trash the reputations of her parents as well as any and all with the slightest association with them.
That is not opinion ... it is documented fact ... starting with a 'badly told story' and not yet ended.

Can't be that bad,two best seller's have been written about it.Once upon a time there was an alleged abduction,...........

[slartibartfast]

I agree with VS too.  Just as I agree that in the shortest possible space of time after Madeleine's disappearance the seeds were being sown to trash the reputations of her parents as well as any and all with the slightest association with them.
That is not opinion ... it is documented fact ... starting with a 'badly told story' and not yet ended.

Just as I agree that in the shortest possible space of time after Madeleine's disappearance the seeds were being sown to trash the reputations of the Portuguese Police as well as any and all with the slightest association with them.

[Venturi Swirl]

Just as I agree that in the shortest possible space of time after Madeleine's disappearance the seeds were being sown to trash the reputations of the Portuguese Police as well as any and all with the slightest association with them.

To what end?

[Lace]

I see your thinking and either your pick or my pick would be choice 1 and 2. If I was a house breaker, and none of you can prove I am, I would be more inclined to go for the patio doors, not only for their notorious vulnerability, but because there's loads of stuff to obscure the view (the parapet wall, relatively dimly lit, foliage, not directly overlooked, scope to escape by jumping down). If I were to try the front door I would be looking to put my shoulder to it or take a pane of glass out, both of which would have me in the full glare of the car park and road and would make a racket.
I think we can both agree, however, that only a fool would first consider the shuttered window, which is sort of my point.

IMO there had been observation of the comings and goings through the week,   the McCann's could be seen entering the apartment through the patio doors.    Now if someone had gone that way,  up the steps,  what if one of the McCann's had decided to visit 5a?   They would have caught who ever it was on the steps or going into the apartment.   IMO the person went in through the front door,  I believe the person had a key, then opened the window as a possible escape route if someone should enter the bedroom.

[Mr Gray]

IMO there had been observation of the comings and goings through the week,   the McCann's could be seen entering the apartment through the patio doors.    Now if someone had gone that way,  up the steps,  what if one of the McCann's had decided to visit 5a?   They would have caught who ever it was on the steps or going into the apartment.   IMO the person went in through the front door,  I believe the person had a key, then opened the window as a possible escape route if someone should enter the bedroom.

I see no reason why someone could not have entered through the window and exited through the front door