Amaral and the dogs

[Lace]

They mean that a cadaver dog alerted to what he had been trained to, ie cadaver odour, so not "nothing"
Oh, right, I find that hard to believe. If true it makes a mockery of so much.So, no, I probably won't  believe it. Never even read anything to say a dog got tired/fed up so just barked.

ETA re your post below, Eddie wasn't deployed in 5A for hours anyway. If your claim is true, he would be barking at the end of that day's shift rather than at the start (which was 5A)

I'd appreciate a link when you get a spare minute anyway,thanks

Here is the link to the article -  http://csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

In my opinion Eddie looked hot he was panting a lot,  he was called back numerous times.

[stephen25000]

I can substantiate very claim I have made...where do you want to start

Two requests were deleted. &%+((£

Now can you substantiate that no child has died from a fall of a couch, straight after or after a delay, onto a concrete floor ?

[Mr Gray]

Two requests were deleted. &%+((£

Now can you substantiate that no child has died from a fall of a couch, straight after or after a delay, onto a concrete floor ?

I have replied and my reply was deleted...take it up with admin

[ferryman]

Here is another detail that has always intrigued me, from the inspection in the gym:

1. Between 23h20 and 23h30 the two dogs were allowed to reconoitre the entire area to guarantee that there were no existing odours - and none were detected by them.

2. Between 23h30 and 23h40 items from the box labelled 'common room' were inspected by the blood dog without result.
- At 23h41 the cadaver dog began its inspection and 'marked' some clothing on the edge of the area. The inspection ended at 23h52 with the clothing having been collected for later direct examination and photographic report.

A prior inspection of the gym by both dogs with no odour detected.

Then an inspection of clothing that (apparently) resulted in detection of odour on certain clothing.

Except that, there was no gap between the prior inspection of the premises and the inspection of the clothing, tending to suggest that the clothes were already laid out before the inspection of the premises.

So why was no odour detected during the inspection of the premises?

And what was the point of the inspection of the premises?

[Mr Gray]

Here is another detail that has always intrigued me, from the inspection in the gym:

1. Between 23h20 and 23h30 the two dogs were allowed to reconoitre the entire area to guarantee that there were no existing odours - and none were detected by them.

2. Between 23h30 and 23h40 items from the box labelled 'common room' were inspected by the blood dog without result.
- At 23h41 the cadaver dog began its inspection and 'marked' some clothing on the edge of the area. The inspection ended at 23h52 with the clothing having been collected for later direct examination and photographic report.

A prior inspection of the gym by both dogs with no odour detected.

Then an inspection of clothing that (apparently) resulted in detection of odour on certain clothing.

Except that, there was no gap between the prior inspection of the premises and the inspection of the clothing, tending to suggest that the clothes were already laid out before the inspection of the premises.



So why was no odour detected during the inspection of the premises?

And what was the point of the inspection of the premises?

Had there been any coconuts in the box previously

[pegasus]

Had there been any coconuts in the box previously

Or was the cardboard box made in part of coconut fibre?
Or were all the alerts due to transfer from a coir doormat?
Or was a coconut dropped by a migrating swallow and rolled into the underground parking garage and ...

[pegasus]

Here is another detail that has always intrigued me, from the inspection in the gym:

1. Between 23h20 and 23h30 the two dogs were allowed to reconoitre the entire area to guarantee that there were no existing odours - and none were detected by them.

2. Between 23h30 and 23h40 items from the box labelled 'common room' were inspected by the blood dog without result.
- At 23h41 the cadaver dog began its inspection and 'marked' some clothing on the edge of the area. The inspection ended at 23h52 with the clothing having been collected for later direct examination and photographic report.

A prior inspection of the gym by both dogs with no odour detected.

Then an inspection of clothing that (apparently) resulted in detection of odour on certain clothing.

Except that, there was no gap between the prior inspection of the premises and the inspection of the clothing, tending to suggest that the clothes were already laid out before the inspection of the premises.

So why was no odour detected during the inspection of the premises?

And what was the point of the inspection of the premises?

Thankyou. By looking at the original portuguese of what you posted, some progress is made:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2101.jpg
The alerted items were from box "sala comum".
There was another box "sala da estar" (which produced no alerts).
Some internet research reveals that in open-plan layouts in portugal where there is both a "sala da estar" area and a "sala comum" area, usually the "sala comum" refers to the dining area.

IMO the the alerted clothes were all from the dining area of the Rua Das Flores house.

[slartibartfast]

Or was the cardboard box made in part of coconut fibre?
Or were all the alerts due to transfer from a coir doormat?
Or was a coconut dropped by a migrating swallow and rolled into the underground parking garage and ...

Presumably an African Swallow.

[pegasus]

Presumably an African Swallow.

But African swallows do not migrate. European swallows do, they go to Africa and back.
So maybe small particles of coconut dropped from a European swallow returning from Africa, onto the items being tested in Portimao?

[mercury]

But African swallows do not migrate. European swallows do, they go to Africa and back.
So maybe small particles of coconut dropped from a European swallow returning from Africa, onto the items being tested in Portimao?

 

You should give up the day job, comedy is your forte!

@ Lace, thanks for the link, alot to read there. Very interesting to read there are three types of "cadaver dog" too

[slartibartfast]

But African swallows do not migrate. European swallows do, they go to Africa and back.
So maybe small particles of coconut dropped from a European swallow returning from Africa, onto the items being tested in Portimao?

 

[ferryman]

Thankyou. By looking at the original portuguese of what you posted, some progress is made:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2101.jpg
The alerted items were from box "sala comum".
There was another box "sala da estar" (which produced no alerts).
Some internet research reveals that in open-plan layouts in portugal where there is both a "sala da estar" area and a "sala comum" area, usually the "sala comum" refers to the dining area.

IMO the the alerted clothes were all from the dining area of the Rua Das Flores house.

Certainly all the clothes, apparently, "alerted" to came from the same box, which is probably what prompted the question put to Grime in his rogatory interview about cross-contamination.

He confirmed that cross-contamination is immediate (indeed it is!)

[Benice]

Certainly all the clothes, apparently, "alerted" to came from the same box, which is probably what prompted the question put to Grime in his rogatory interview about cross-contamination.

He confirmed that cross-contamination is immediate (indeed it is!)

When you think of the huge number of items of clothing collected in various boxes/cases  - the chances of the only items alerted to - all being packed in the same box must be phenomenal.

[Mr Gray]

Here is the link to the article -  http://csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

In my opinion Eddie looked hot he was panting a lot,  he was called back numerous times.

a very interesting article ...read the whole of it ...it gives some good pointers how false positives can occur..
a dog repeatedly called back will get tired and alert just to end the search....very interesting. No wonder Grime thought it important to point out that without confirmation the alerts should not be taken as evidence

[pegasus]

a very interesting article ...read the whole of it ...it gives some good pointers how false positives can occur..
a dog repeatedly called back will get tired and alert just to end the search....very interesting. No wonder Grime thought it important to point out that without confirmation the alerts should not be taken as evidence

See also the study on the same csst site which found that a minimum of 85 minutes post-mortem interval was required for even one of their five dogs to alert.
Compare that with Mr Amaral's theory which has PMI commencing hypothetiacally at the earliest at 9.10pm (chat outside window) and add the csst minimum 85 minutes to that which gives at earliest 10.35pm which obviously would make it impossible the Smith sighting is relevant. IMO Amaral's theory (sofa during chat + smith sighting) doesn't work.