Amaral and the dogs

[misty]

Convection currents inside a parked car may cause air to come out one hole more than another IMO.
IMO Eddie's alert at base of driver door was alert to mixed air coming from every part of the interior passenger/boot areas.

Why not the passenger door also?

[pegasus]

Why not the passenger door also?

The drain hole is same size.
But the seal on the driver door is much more worn than the seals on the passenger doors or boot door.

[misty]

The drain hole is same size.
But the seal on the driver door is much more worn than the seals on the passenger doors or boot door.

That's a bit of speculation on your part, I think. IMO the passenger door would have been equally as well used (if not more so with the passengers accessing the rear) whilst the Scenic was on hire to the McCanns. I believe the car only had around 3000km on the clock when they hired it.

[pegasus]

That's a bit of speculation on your part, I think. IMO the passenger door would have been equally as well used (if not more so with the passengers accessing the rear) whilst the Scenic was on hire to the McCanns. I believe the car only had around 3000km on the clock when they hired it.

The driver door is the most used, it gets used every journey..
The 3 passenger doors are used only when there are passengers.

[misty]

The driver door is the most used, it gets used every journey..
The 3 passenger doors are used only when there are passengers.

As we have no statistics regarding how many times the driver was the sole occupant of the vehicle, argument is futile.
The only grounds for dispute would be if the vehicle was used as a taxi.

[stephen25000]

Would you not expect the molecules to be pushed to the rear of the car & out through the ventilation vents there when the vehicle was being driven & the air conditioning in use? Why didn't Eddie alert at the tailgate seal?

I would presume the vehicle would have had air conditioning, which would have a significant impact on the dispersal of airborne materials.

[Brietta]

I would presume the vehicle would have had air conditioning, which would have a significant impact on the dispersal of airborne materials.

                             Does Eddie's alert in the garage merit further interminable discussion?

It is proven that when Eddie was given the choice of alerting to a vehicle some still think was reeking of cadaver odour ... and alerting to a key fob buried in sand ... Eddie chose the key fob.

[stephen25000]

                             Does Eddie's alert in the garage merit further interminable discussion?

It is proven that when Eddie was given the choice of alerting to a vehicle some still think was reeking of cadaver odour ... and alerting to a key fob buried in sand ... Eddie chose the key fob.

Were samples of the 'sand' taken to be tested ?

[Brietta]

Were samples of the 'sand' taken to be tested ?

I take it you are being facetious.  The test was carried out by the best specialists to hand at the time ... are you questioning the methodology they used?

[stephen25000]

I take it you are being facetious.  The test was carried out by the best specialists to hand at the time ... are you questioning the methodology they used?

Not in the slightest.

If the key fob was in the sand, and the dog alerted, it would seem to be logical just to take a sample of the sand for testing.

[Mr Gray]

I take it you are being facetious.  The test was carried out by the best specialists to hand at the time ... are you questioning the methodology they used?

what about the bucket the sand was in.....what about everything the sand and bucket had been in contact with...and of course...had any of the police involved had contact with a cadaver...the list is endless and that is why the alerts themselves are meaningless

[Brietta]

what about the bucket the sand was in.....what about everything the sand and bucket had been in contact with...and of course...had any of the police involved had contact with a cadaver...the list is endless and that is why the alerts themselves are meaningless

I have always had my reservations about the key fob actually being in the sand.  It seemed a strange thing to do.  More like the demonstration of a party trick than a genuine investigation.

[ferryman]

I have always had my reservations about the key fob actually being in the sand.  It seemed a strange thing to do.  More like the demonstration of a party trick than a genuine investigation.

The parallel with Grime's modus operandi in the Bianca Jones case is uncanny: stuff tested in one place, transported to another and tested a second time.

In Detriot (Bianca Jones) it was the car seat, taken out of D'Lane's car, wrapped in brown paper and hidden in offices for the dog to sniff out a second time; also D'Lanes clothes, similarly treated and not found by Morse.

Under the auspices of the Forensic Canine Program this business of testing a thing in one place, then testing it again in another place was the (additional) safeguard to a cadaver dog desensitised to the scent of blood that was the basis of the rationale that an uncorroborated cadaver dog alert could be accepted as stand-alone evidence of murder.

[Angelo222]

I have always had my reservations about the key fob actually being in the sand.  It seemed a strange thing to do.  More like the demonstration of a party trick than a genuine investigation.

The big difference however being that a party trick has a predetermined outcome whereas an investigation by its very nature is just that, an investigation.  Unless of course you are claiming the outcome was engineered??

[misty]

The big difference however being that a party trick has a predetermined outcome whereas an investigation by its very nature is just that, an investigation.  Unless of course you are claiming the outcome was engineered??

Why, in the first instance, place a key fob in a place  it would never have previously been put, ie. the side pocket of the driver door, in order to carry out a forensic test?