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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 10:36:22 AM
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https://www.cellmapper.net/map?MCC=268&MNC=6
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https://www.cellmapper.net/map?MCC=268&MNC=6
All I get is blue.which is more than can be said for the sky here at the moment.
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All I get is blue.which is more than can be said for the sky here at the moment.
Once you've got shot of the bot just keep minimising down on screen with your fingers and you'll get to Africa! Then find your way to Portugal/PDL.
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I'm not sure what this means. Is it saying that the Luz phone masts covered quite a significant area?
In 30 minutes, according to the Microsoft AutoRoute software, at an average of 70km/h, it is possible to make a round-trip journey between the village of Luz and the localities of: Raposeira, if travelling West; Bensafrim, if travelling North, and Odi?ere if going East.
That movement would have produced records only in the antennae that serve Praia da Luz, and thus the absence of any record.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm
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Once you've got shot of the bot just keep minimising down on screen with your fingers and you'll get to Africa! Then find your way to Portugal/PDL.
Ta muchcy.
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I'm not sure what this means. Is it saying that the Luz phone masts covered quite a significant area?
In 30 minutes, according to the Microsoft AutoRoute software, at an average of 70km/h, it is possible to make a round-trip journey between the village of Luz and the localities of: Raposeira, if travelling West; Bensafrim, if travelling North, and Odi?ere if going East.
That movement would have produced records only in the antennae that serve Praia da Luz, and thus the absence of any record.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm
Does that mean it was the only mast within about a 15 Km radius ?
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Does that mean it was the only mast within about a 15 Km radius ?
I don't know, but if so it puts Bruekner's phone call into context. How do they know he was actually in Luz?
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I've noticed that German police have been very coy about stating where the other phone was located - just in a different area, I believe.
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I don't know, but if so it puts Bruekner's phone call into context. How do they know he was actually in Luz?
I don't think police have ever said more than area of PDL
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I'm not sure what this means. Is it saying that the Luz phone masts covered quite a significant area?
In 30 minutes, according to the Microsoft AutoRoute software, at an average of 70km/h, it is possible to make a round-trip journey between the village of Luz and the localities of: Raposeira, if travelling West; Bensafrim, if travelling North, and Odi?ere if going East.
That movement would have produced records only in the antennae that serve Praia da Luz, and thus the absence of any record.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm
I've only had a quick look at the map. I'm assuming the liitle orange triangles just outside Luz, either side, near the coast are masts? I think the number and location are based on phone traffic too. The Luz population is only crica 3.5k.
I don't believe cell site analysis is like GPS where the location can be pinpointed with accuracy. Afaik all CSA is capable of doing is confirming a call was made/received through a tower.
CSA was used in part to try and convict the Omagh bomb suspects. Numerous calls were made from the South to Omagh allegedly when the suspects were allegedly en route to plant the bomb but it didn't stand up.
It was successfully used in part to convict those held responsible for the Rettendon murders.
I can't see in this case how it could assist as CB was living in Luz at the time.
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No the orange triangles are not phone masts. It might be the red dots but again there are only two for PDL and these are situated on the inland main road EN125.
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https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm
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https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm
Thanks. I’d not read that before. You’d think there must be a way to retrieve deleted texts - though possibly not so far down the line.
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Mr Mitchell said: 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened'.
That’s an interesting quote (though reported second hand). If they had no phones and no watches then how were any of them able to confirm the timings of the checks? I’m presuming someone can answer this for me!
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3 May 2007
1578 'And did you wear watches''
Reply 'Yes'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
Jane and I were having a hit on the court when, in the afternoon, so about half two, three o'clock when Grace was having her sleep and Evie was asleep, erm Gerry and Kate were watching us, so we saw them then and then we saw Kate running on the beach later on that day, about quarter to five, five o'clock'.
00.44.16 1578 'Yes'.
Reply 'Erm and then Gerry we saw on the tennis court later on in the evening when the boys came up to play tennis for that social session and that was at about you know, seven'.
1578 'About seven''
Reply 'Yeah'.
1578 'Until''
Reply 'Until about twenty past seven when he went back to help Kate put the children to bed,erm and then at the table then at sort of twenty to nine (inaudible) a bit then, oh well Matt and I saw them walking down to the table, sort of eight thirty eight or something like that and then we got down to the table at just after about twenty to nine'.
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Mr Mitchell said: 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened'.
That’s an interesting quote (though reported second hand). If they had no phones and no watches then how were any of them able to confirm the timings of the checks? I’m presuming someone can answer this for me!
The Oldfields wore watches.
1578 'And did you wear watches''
Reply 'Yes'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
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The Oldfields wore watches.
1578 'And did you wear watches''
Reply 'Yes'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
Were they responsible for announcing the time for the checks?
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I don’t wear a watch and I can usually tell what time it is to within a few minutes instinctively. What has any of this got to do with phone masts or Madeleine’s disappearance? Are,you all still trying to make it the McCanns wot dunnit?
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I don’t wear a watch and I can usually tell what time it is to within a few minutes instinctively. What has any of this got to do with phone masts or Madeleine’s disappearance? Are,you all still trying to make it the McCanns wot dummit?
No I was actually interested in phone masts and deleted texts. The link someone provided about the deleted texts also had the "no watches, no phones" quote attributed to the chap of Cambridge Analytica fame (CM).
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Were they responsible for announcing the time for the checks?
Normally they would do checks between meals e.g. after they've had their starters they would perform a check before the main meal arrives - that makes sense (Russell and Matt left at 9:25pm after they finished their starters). The McCanns claim they checked every 30 minutes.
Matt said Kate left the table to check at 9:50pm
Gerry said it was exactly 10:03pm @)(++(*
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Normally they would do checks between meals e.g. after they've had their starters they would perform a check before the main meal arrives - that makes sense (Russell and Matt left at 9:25pm after they finished their starters). The McCanns claim they checked every 30 minutes.
Matt said Kate left the table to check at 9:50pm
Gerry said it was exactly 10:03pm @)(++(*
Maybe he asked the Oldfield's what time it was?
I don't want to wander off topic though I'm more interested in K and G's deleted texts,
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Mobile phone masts locations & range (courtesy of H42A Wordpress)
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Mobile phone masts locations & range (courtesy of H42A Wordpress)
Was that the coverage in 2007?
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Was that the coverage in 2007?
I believe so. Ben wouldn't have used incorrect data.
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Quite a wide range for the Luz masts, so hardly pin point accuracy
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I don’t wear a watch and I can usually tell what time it is to within a few minutes instinctively. What has any of this got to do with phone masts or Madeleine’s disappearance? Are,you all still trying to make it the McCanns wot dunnit?
So could Gerry McCann, apparently. He was very precise; he knew when it was 22:03.
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So could Gerry McCann, apparently. He was very precise; he knew when it was 22:03.
Ooh wow, lock him up.
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I believe so. Ben wouldn't have used incorrect data.
Thanks for the above. Who's Ben?
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Thanks for the above. Whose Ben?
Ben Salmon. He did a lot of work tracking down phone numbers;
https://h42a.wordpress.com/