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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Eleanor on April 24, 2023, 10:22:00 AM
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Has anyone considered this angle? I know that I have and I expect that The BKA have as well. Brueckner travelled this way many times and there are a lot of Forests on the way. Ideal places to dispose of a body, especially if you know the route.
We do know that Brueckner drove back to Germany shortly after Madeleine disappeared.
I would appreciate some input on this.
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Were the places associated with CB in Luz thoroughly searched, we know about the vehicles but what of his abodes before looking into routes. But weren't some wells searched after a prime suspect was named, reports said it wasn't related but coincidence ?
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Were the places associated with CB in Luz thoroughly searched, we know about the vehicles but what of his abodes before looking into routes. But weren't some wells searched after a prime suspect was named, reports said it wasn't related but coincidence ?
So, as far away as possible would have been a good idea.
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I'm pretty sure that Wolters said that he thought that Madeleine's body was still in Portugal. But then again its all guesswork so she could be anywhere.
Wherever, pretty much a needle in a haystack situation to locate .
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I'm pretty sure that Wolters said that he thought that Madeleine's body was still in Portugal. But then again its all guesswork so she could be anywhere.
Wherever, pretty much a needle in a haystack situation to locate .
Almost impossible to locate if my Theory is correct, unless a body is dug up by a passing Dog Walker. But stranger things have happened.
The possibility is there. And it is a possibility. If Madeleine is dead then she has to have been disposed of somewhere and the further away from Luz then the better.
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This thread is libellous.
But apart from that, why do we assume he buried Maddie?
There are other possible methods of disposal. CB talked to the paedo undertaker about 'destroying' the evidence. I wouldn't count a burial as particularly destructive. Maybe he knew a guy who owned an abattoir?
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This thread is libellous.
But apart from that, why do we assume he buried Maddie?
There are other possible methods of disposal. CB talked to the paedo undertaker about 'destroying' the evidence. I wouldn't count a burial as particularly destructive. Maybe he knew a guy who owned an abattoir?
He knew a butcher...
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This thread is libellous.
But apart from that, why do we assume he buried Maddie?
There are other possible methods of disposal. CB talked to the paedo undertaker about 'destroying' the evidence. I wouldn't count a burial as particularly destructive. Maybe he knew a guy who owned an abattoir?
What don't you understand about the word "Theory?"
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Has anyone considered this angle? I know that I have and I expect that The BKA have as well. Brueckner travelled this way many times and there are a lot of Forests on the way. Ideal places to dispose of a body, especially if you know the route.
We do know that Brueckner drove back to Germany shortly after Madeleine disappeared.
I would appreciate some input on this.
Brueckner was still in Portugal on May 9th - he interpreted for his German holiday fling following her arrest at Faro airport for possessing Mace and that's confirmed by documentary evidence.
Imagine the smell and condition of a corpse possibly 6+ days old...
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Brueckner was still in Portugal on May 9th - he interpreted for his German holiday fling following her arrest at Faro airport for possessing Mace and that's confirmed by documentary evidence.
Imagine the smell and condition of a corpse possibly 6+ days old...
Imagine bagging up a corpse in several plastic bags immediately after death.
IF he dun it then it was well planned. Hence his non existent Alibi with his Holiday Fling.
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What's his alibi supposed to be for ?
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What's his alibi supposed to be for ?
Brueckner appears to have been trying to prove that he wasn't in Luz at the time. But his Holiday Fling couldn't remember if he was with her. Or so she said.
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Brueckner was still in Portugal on May 9th - he interpreted for his German holiday fling following her arrest at Faro airport for possessing Mace and that's confirmed by documentary evidence.
Imagine the smell and condition of a corpse possibly 6+ days old...
The BKA forensically searched his vehicles, Wolters said nothing was found, I know it was at least 13 yrs after the event but if a body was kept in them or one of them for 6+days in the Portuguese heat then some kind of leeching would have occurred. If CB did the deed then with all the police activity around I'm sure he soon rid of.
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Brueckner appears to have been trying to prove that he wasn't in Luz at the time. But his Holiday Fling couldn't remember if he was with her. Or so she said.
There in lies the problem for the BKA imo, was he there, but back to the thread, bins ?
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The BKA forensically searched his vehicles, Wolters said nothing was found, I know it was at least 13 yrs after the event but if a body was kept in them or one of them for 6+days in the Portuguese heat then some kind of leeching would have occurred. If CB did the deed then with all the police activity around I'm sure he soon rid of.
Who knows where he could have kept the body. And nobody was looking for him anyway. He was North of Luz by then. And already planning a trip to Germany.
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Brueckner was still in Portugal on May 9th - he interpreted for his German holiday fling following her arrest at Faro airport for possessing Mace and that's confirmed by documentary evidence.
Imagine the smell and condition of a corpse possibly 6+ days old...
I don't think that he was necessarily transporting a corpse. I think Madeleine could have been kept alive and drugged to keep her subdued or unconscious.
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I don't think that he was necessarily transporting a corpse. I think Madeleine could have been kept alive and drugged to keep her subdued or unconscious.
I think it’s possible he took her up north to Tomar, if Nicole F is to believed (she said she cannot be sure that he returned on the night of 3 May to Foral). From there, the plan could have been to take her across the border via northern Spain. But, something went wrong before she could leave Portugal. CB could still be back in Lagos to take his gf to the airport some days later with the police stopping them. Wolters said ‘murdered within days’.
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The internet is full of little gems.
I found this one of interest.
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Along with a few colleagues, Radcliffe convinced their company to set up a subsidiary focused on hostage response. The subsidiary, which they named Control Risks, would hire security experts – mostly former military and police – to handle negotiations. The cost of hiring the consultant was included in the policy and borne by the insurance company. In 1982, Control Risks became an independent company.
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Through the debates and policy changes, the K&R industry not only survived but thrived. Then came September 11 2001, which changed the terms of the whole discussion. Rather than challenging the K&R industry as a whole, governments increasingly sought to draw a clearer distinction between criminal groups, to whom ransom could legally be paid, and terror groups, to whom it could not. The US and UK governments both maintained lists of Foreign Terrorist Organizations who could not receive ransom payments. In industry parlance, these groups were designated as “proscribed”.
This attempt to draw distinctions between criminal and terrorist organisations raised many tricky questions. It was clear that K&R policies could not reimburse policyholders who paid a ransom to a terrorist group. But could security consultants handle negotiations? Could they help families to raise and assemble the funds? And what about the families themselves? Would they be held legally liable for paying ransom to terrorists? “It’s all a grey area,” Milne acknowledged.
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Adapted from We Want to Negotiate: The Secret World of Kidnapping, Hostages, and Ransom, published by Columbia Global Reports and available to buy at guardianbookshop.co.uk
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jan/25/business-of-kidnapping-inside-the-secret-world-of-hostage-negotiation-ransom-insurance
It is quite a long cite, but interesting and well worth the read. It could also explain a lot about Amaral's hang ups regarding government interference, kidnap and his other hang ups as well as "Control Risks".
At more than one point I think the indication is that word from a kidnapper was awaited. I don't think that would have occurred if there hadn't been "proof of life".
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Brueckner doesn't appear to have had Madeleine with him when he arrived in Germany, so either he didn't have her with him when he left or he dropped her off somewhere on the way, or even to someone.
He does appear to have had access to money when he arrived.
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Brueckner doesn't appear to have had Madeleine with him when he arrived in Germany, so either he didn't have her with him when he left or he dropped her off somewhere on the way, or even to someone.
He does appear to have had access to money when he arrived.
It could be that he never set eyes on Madeleine McCann, of course.
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It could be that he never set eyes on Madeleine McCann, of course.
It could be so.
Thank you for your contribution.
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It could be that he never set eyes on Madeleine McCann, of course.
At the moment Brueckner is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance. That is the fact of the matter.
We are indulging in a discussion regarding his return to Germany and the route he may have taken from Portugal to get there. We know he did return shortly after Madeleine disappeared.
We didn't do the sums which made four. The police did that for us.
Unlike the McCanns who had no access to a vehicle but who have been slurred abominably when they eventually hired one, Brueckner had a choice of vehicles and a choice of which routes to take using one of them.
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It could be that he never set eyes on Madeleine McCann, of course.
Correct & it must be presumed he never did. This thread is libellous.
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Correct & it must be presumed he never did. This thread is libellous.
This Thread is A Theory. Theories aren't Libellous. Are you thick or what?
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It could be so.
Thank you for your contribution.
I've never seen any plausible reason being given for Brueckner re-registering his Jaguar on the day following Madeleine's disappearance.
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Bruecnkner has also been linked to a 1993 British Jaguar, model XJR 6, with a German number plate and registered in Germany, which is believed to have been in the Praia da Luz and surrounding areas in 2006 and 2007. The car was originally registered in the suspect’s name but was re-registered to someone else in Germany the day after Madeleine’s disappearance, although the vehicle is believed to have still been in Portugal.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-received-calls-near-holiday-flat-night-vanished-12802689/#:~:text=A%20German%20paedophile%2C%20nameed%20as%20Christian%20Brueckner%2C%20is,someone%20else%E2%80%99s%20name%20the%20day%20after%20the%20disappearance.
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This Thread is A Theory. Theories aren't Libellous. Are you thick or what?
You're quite right. Amaral didn't libel the McCanns.
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You're quite right. Amaral didn't libel the McCanns.
What a good idea. I should write a book.
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What a good idea. I should write a book.
I’m certainly looking forward to Wolters’ book in which he details how Brückner dunnit. It will doubtless make HCW a rich man and there’s not a thing Brückner can do to stop it happening. Precedent clearly set.
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I’m certainly looking forward to Wolters’ book in which he details how Brückner dunnit. It will doubtless make HCW a rich man and there’s not a thing Brückner can do to stop it happening. Precedent clearly set.
#MeeToo. Don't forget Me.
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I've never seen any plausible reason being given for Brueckner re-registering his Jaguar on the day following Madeleine's disappearance.
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Bruecnkner has also been linked to a 1993 British Jaguar, model XJR 6, with a German number plate and registered in Germany, which is believed to have been in the Praia da Luz and surrounding areas in 2006 and 2007. The car was originally registered in the suspect’s name but was re-registered to someone else in Germany the day after Madeleine’s disappearance, although the vehicle is believed to have still been in Portugal.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-received-calls-near-holiday-flat-night-vanished-12802689/#:~:text=A%20German%20paedophile%2C%20nameed%20as%20Christian%20Brueckner%2C%20is,someone%20else%E2%80%99s%20name%20the%20day%20after%20the%20disappearance.
Mark Williams Thomas asked Alexander Bischof about this whilst making his recent documentary. IIRC Bischof said that Brueckner had given him the paperwork about 2 weeks prior to the Jag being re-registered, although I don't recall an explanation was given as to why re-registration was necessary. I'll need to watch the Paramount Plus documentary again.
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At the moment Brueckner is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance. That is the fact of the matter.
We are indulging in a discussion regarding his return to Germany and the route he may have taken from Portugal to get there. We know he did return shortly after Madeleine disappeared.
We didn't do the sums which made four. The police did that for us.
Unlike the McCanns who had no access to a vehicle but who have been slurred abominably when they eventually hired one, Brueckner had a choice of vehicles and a choice of which routes to take using one of them.
It seems to me he would have travelled through Spain and France and into Germany. What more is there to discuss?
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It seems to me he would have travelled through Spain and France and into Germany. What more is there to discuss?
Well done. Another angle to the mix.
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Well done. Another angle to the mix.
However, not much of Spain in the route? Not that this matters. It's a very long way and plenty of time to dispose of a body should Brueckner have so needed.
This by the way is my Theory. You can discuss it or not. Although at no point does Spain border Germany.
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However, not much of Spain in the route? Not that this matters. It's a very long way and plenty of time to dispose of a body should Brueckner have so needed.
This by the way is my Theory. You can discuss it or not. Although at no point does Spain border Germany.
If Brueckner disposed of a body during a drive from the Algarve to Germany it will never be found unless he takes police to the spot.
I would prefer to call this a hypothesis rather than a theory as no evidence supporting it has been found.
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If Brueckner disposed of a body during a drive from the Algarve to Germany it will never be found unless he takes police to the spot.
I would prefer to call this a hypothesis rather than a theory as no evidence supporting it has been found.
Hypothesis. A starting point to further investigation. I think I'll stick with Theory.
Which was it that Amaral wrote? Whatever, No Supporting Evidence has been found. While Brueckner has been charged with Five further Sexual Abuse Crimes.
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If Brueckner disposed of a body during a drive from the Algarve to Germany it will never be found unless he takes police to the spot.
I would prefer to call this a hypothesis rather than a theory as no evidence supporting it has been found.
Since you have absolutely no idea what the evidence against Brueckner is you know nothing about whether or not supporting evidence may have been found.
We know that a lot of police time was spent on Brueckner's vehicles.
Imagine if that diligence had been carried out in 2007 when according to Amaral Brueckner was actually on police radar.
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Since you have absolutely no idea what the evidence against Brueckner is you know nothing about whether or not supporting evidence may have been found.
We know that a lot of police time was spent on Brueckner's vehicles.
Imagine if that diligence had been carried out in 2007 when according to Amaral Brueckner was actually on police radar.
No-one here has evidence supporting a body disposal somewhere along the route between Portugal and Germany.
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No-one here has evidence supporting a body disposal somewhere along the route between Portugal and Germany.
No one has said that they have.
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Since you have absolutely no idea what the evidence against Brueckner is you know nothing about whether or not supporting evidence may have been found.
We know that a lot of police time was spent on Brueckner's vehicles.
Imagine if that diligence had been carried out in 2007 when according to Amaral Brueckner was actually on police radar.
Well, it isn't entirely true to say we have absolutely no idea of the evidence against Brueckner. We know there is no dna, nor forensics, nor anything that will prove Brueckner guilty in a court of law any time in the foreseeable future. Even though this evidence against him is so utterly convincing that, if we knew what it was, we'd be in no doubt. We'd be in no doubt, but not a judge for some reason.
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Hypothesis. A starting point to further investigation. I think I'll stick with Theory.
Which was it that Amaral wrote? Whatever, No Supporting Evidence has been found. While Brueckner has been charged with Five further Sexual Abuse Crimes.
He wrote a thesis apparently. Well he is a Learned Doctor after all. Snort.
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He wrote a thesis apparently. Well he is a Learned Doctor after all. Snort.
Thesis. A posh word for a Theory. Designed to bore the backside off everybody.
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Thesis. A posh word for a Theory. Designed to bore the backside off everybody.
Well with the lack of interest, its worked.
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Well, it isn't entirely true to say we have absolutely no idea of the evidence against Brueckner. We know there is no dna, nor forensics, nor anything that will prove Brueckner guilty in a court of law any time in the foreseeable future. Even though this evidence against him is so utterly convincing that, if we knew what it was, we'd be in no doubt. We'd be in no doubt, but not a judge for some reason.
The problem with living in a time warp is the lack of understanding that things change in a live police investigation. Some issues will be set aside or discarded while other issues will merit closer investigation.
Brueckner and his lawyers are apparently so convinced by the evidence that they have been moving heaven and earth to prevent the five cases currently filed against him being heard any time soon.
Brueckner's phone was in Luz on the evening of May 3.
On May 4 Brueckner changed the registration of his Jaguar.
Thereafter he left Portugal and headed off to Germany. The homeless drifter was subsequently able to buy property in Germany.
It would be interesting to know where he went after leaving Luz and turning up in Germany. The police will have no doubt checked that out as far as possible and the only person who will know his route for sure is Brueckner.
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The problem with living in a time warp is the lack of understanding that things change in a live police investigation. Some issues will be set aside or discarded while other issues will merit closer investigation.
Brueckner and his lawyers are apparently so convinced by the evidence that they have been moving heaven and earth to prevent the five cases currently filed against him being heard any time soon.
Brueckner's phone was in Luz on the evening of May 3.
On May 4 Brueckner changed the registration of his Jaguar.
Thereafter he left Portugal and headed off to Germany. The homeless drifter was subsequently able to buy property in Germany.
It would be interesting to know where he went after leaving Luz and turning up in Germany. The police will have no doubt checked that out as far as possible and the only person who will know his route for sure is Brueckner.
The 5 charges against CB have precisely sod all to do with Madeleine's disappearance. If you wish to imagine they are the reason Brueckner hasn't been charged that 's up to you. But let's not pretend it's the reality of the situation because it isn't.
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The problem with living in a time warp is the lack of understanding that things change in a live police investigation. Some issues will be set aside or discarded while other issues will merit closer investigation.
Brueckner and his lawyers are apparently so convinced by the evidence that they have been moving heaven and earth to prevent the five cases currently filed against him being heard any time soon.
Brueckner's phone was in Luz on the evening of May 3.
On May 4 Brueckner changed the registration of his Jaguar.
Thereafter he left Portugal and headed off to Germany. The homeless drifter was subsequently able to buy property in Germany.
It would be interesting to know where he went after leaving Luz and turning up in Germany. The police will have no doubt checked that out as far as possible and the only person who will know his route for sure is Brueckner.
What If Brueckner passed Madeleine over to someone else on the way to Germany. This could be the horrible job he had to do. Or at least tiresome. But as it was A Job he would have been paid to do it.
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The problem with living in a time warp is the lack of understanding that things change in a live police investigation. Some issues will be set aside or discarded while other issues will merit closer investigation.
Brueckner and his lawyers are apparently so convinced by the evidence that they have been moving heaven and earth to prevent the five cases currently filed against him being heard any time soon.
Brueckner's phone was in Luz on the evening of May 3.
On May 4 Brueckner changed the registration of his Jaguar.
Thereafter he left Portugal and headed off to Germany. The homeless drifter was subsequently able to buy property in Germany.
It would be interesting to know where he went after leaving Luz and turning up in Germany. The police will have no doubt checked that out as far as possible and the only person who will know his route for sure is Brueckner.
Does anyone know the date Brueckner left Luz for Germany? He
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Does anyone know the date Brueckner left Luz for Germany? He
Don't you?
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The 5 charges against CB have precisely sod all to do with Madeleine's disappearance. If you wish to imagine they are the reason Brueckner hasn't been charged that 's up to you. But let's not pretend it's the reality of the situation because it isn't.
The reality of the situation is that Brueckner has been charged with five sexual crimes and his targets are women and children.
He and his legal team are challenging any case being heard on a technicality. This is having the direct effect of delaying the prosecution.
You have no idea whether or not this has delayed charges relating to crime against Madeleine McCann. What is indisputable is that Brueckner remains the prime suspect in her disappearance. And what do you care about it anyway as you are a self proclaimed wind up merchant with a bee in the bonnet about having charges built up behind Brueckner like a train wreck.
If Brueckner and his legal representatives are content to spin things along to suit themselves, as is their legal right ~ have the courtesy to observe that those acting on behalf of the victim enjoy the right to decide when they will lay charges as is their right.
In the intervening period you will note this thread makes reference to Brueckner's journey after May 3 from exiting Portugal and entering Germany and in what activities he may theoretically have indulged while on that journey.
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Don't you?
Clearly you don't. If anyone does I would appreciate being told.
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Clearly you don't. If anyone does I would appreciate being told.
Brueckner lived a transient lifestyle in and around the resort between 1995 and 2007 where he supported himself collecting golf balls and selling them, working doing odd jobs and catering and indulging in criminal activities.
A very difficult if not nearly impossible individual to keep tabs on.
We know Brueckner was definitely in Portugal the day following Madeleine's abduction because there is a record of him at the airport.
As far as I know there is nothing else as definitive as that about his whereabouts prior to and after the 3rd or what his travel arrangements might have been between Portugal and Germany or anywhere else in Europe for that matter.
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What If Brueckner passed Madeleine over to someone else on the way to Germany. This could be the horrible job he had to do. Or at least tiresome. But as it was A Job he would have been paid to do it.
If the crime was planned I think the details would have been plotted beforehand and arrangements made for a handover at some stage of proceedings and payment made.
If the crime was opportunistic the perpetrator had to have the necessary skillset and a means of escape. Brueckner had both of these and he must have known the resort like the back of his hand.
We know Brueckner and one of his internet paedophile friends discussed a vile scenario which would tie in with an opportunistic personal fetish.
But we also know he made enough money to buy into various property ventures in Germany and to acquire the Winnebago style motorhome which although second hand was quite an impressive beast.
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So the date Brueckner left PdL after 4th May 2007 and drove to Germany isn't known?
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So the date Brueckner left PdL after 4th May 2007 and drove to Germany isn't known?
We have the starting point and we have the finishing point and the only person who can know what route he took, what diversions he took, who he spoke to en route and who accompanied him is the person who made the journey.
Brueckner alleged an alibi covering the known time Madeleine vanished ~ apparently it doesn't.
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So the date Brueckner left PdL after 4th May 2007 and drove to Germany isn't known?
Why is the date important? We know that he left soon after.
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So the date Brueckner left PdL after 4th May 2007 and drove to Germany isn't known?
As there is free passage across borders, there will be no records.
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Why is the date important? We know that he left soon after.
How do we know that ?
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How do we know that ?
Every Cite I have read says, Shortly After.
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But are they reliable, or is one source just copying another ?
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But are they reliable, or is one source just copying another ?
Who knows?
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Precisely
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Precisely
Why don't you try proving he didn't leave shortly after?
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How do we know that ?
They don't know that, it's an assumption.
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Why don't you try proving he didn't leave shortly after?
Why would I want to prove that, or indeed anything ?
I'm quite content to query statements. That's what sceptics do.
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Why would I want to prove that, or indeed anything ?
I'm quite content to query statements. That's what sceptics do.
Those who state something is a 'fact' should bear in mind that they need to corroborate their statements.
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Nigh on 16 yrs later how soon is soon in leaving Luz, the next day ? a couple of weeks ?
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Nigh on 16 yrs later how soon is soon in leaving Luz, the next day ? a couple of weeks ?
Soon, barrier, soon after & he is The New Prime Suspect for Madeleine's abduction. What route did he take? Whom did he speak to on his way? How long did it take? Did he stop at any road side burger vans, & if so, did he have mustard, tomato ketchup or both?
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Those who state something is a 'fact' should bear in mind that they need to corroborate their statements.
Please explain why I should have to "corroborate" that at some point in time Brueckner exited the Algarve and subsequently entered Germany via routes unknown, where he set up in business and bought property.
Don't you keep pace with what are no longer current events or do you prefer only to pick and chose those that are acceptable to you.
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Nigh on 16 yrs later how soon is soon in leaving Luz, the next day ? a couple of weeks ?
He has been under lock and key for quite some part of it. With a little drug dealing trip to a German holiday island as well as a short stay in Italy that we know of.
This is a guy who comes and goes like a will o' the wisp who is very difficult to pin down
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Those who state something is a 'fact' should bear in mind that they need to corroborate their statements.
Amaral didn't need to as far as the ECHR are concerned so why should anyone else?
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Amaral didn't need to as far as the ECHR are concerned so why should anyone else?
That just about sums it up.
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Nigh on 16 yrs later how soon is soon in leaving Luz, the next day ? a couple of weeks ?
I don't think there is a definitive answer as to when Brueckner left Luz for Germany or what diversions he might have made during the journey or how long it took him to get there.
All we know is that make the journey he did.
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The day after Madeleine's disappearance, Brueckner suddenly placed his Jaguar in someone else's name. Soon after, he left Portugal and moved back to Germany, eventually settling in the small German city of Braunschweig.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-vacation-resort/9/
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What evidence is there that the transfer was sudden ? He might have planned it earlier as part of his move to Germany.
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Amaral didn't need to as far as the ECHR are concerned so why should anyone else?
Now how does Amaral end up being dragged into this thread? Obsessed, some people are!
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Now how does Amaral end up being dragged into this thread? Obsessed, some people are!
I’m not obsessed, merely making a factual observation, sorry you didn’t like it. 8(>((
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I’m not obsessed, merely making a factual observation, sorry you didn’t like it. 8(>((
So was I.
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Now how does Amaral end up being dragged into this thread? Obsessed, some people are!
Have you actually been discussing the same case as everyone else. If you were I think you would probably recognise that Amaral was an influence from the start.
Remember one Christian Brueckner who the PJ tried to interview, but who dropped off the radar when he didn't answer the police knock on the door. That was on Amaral's watch - but he was far, far too busy leaking disinformation about "badly told stories" tempered with misinformation about Calpol, an over the counter child's analgesic being a dangerous sedative.
Of late Amaral has done everything possible to wreck the German investigation into Brueckner who is their prime suspect by leaking his details on Saunokonoko's podcast prematurely then releasing disinformation about that.
So the guy who was on police radar during Amaral's watch but who couldn't be found despite apparently still living openly in Luz when and after Madeleine's disappearance, was able to use any one of his distinctive vehicles to saunter off to Germany without a backward glance.
If anyone can be classed as having an obsession that person is Amaral who was still casting slurs at Madeleine's father while championing the innocence of a paedophile and rapist who is prime suspect for three national police forces..
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So was I.
As far as I can see from your posts there is plenty of passive aggression but little interest in entering into the spirit of discussing anything in any real depth. I think your posting style is actually the opposite to the "factual observation" you profess for it.
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Have you actually been discussing the same case as everyone else. If you were I think you would probably recognise that Amaral was an influence from the start.
Remember one Christian Brueckner who the PJ tried to interview, but who dropped off the radar when he didn't answer the police knock on the door. That was on Amaral's watch - but he was far, far too busy leaking disinformation about "badly told stories" tempered with misinformation about Calpol, an over the counter child's analgesic being a dangerous sedative.
Of late Amaral has done everything possible to wreck the German investigation into Brueckner who is their prime suspect by leaking his details on Saunokonoko's podcast prematurely then releasing disinformation about that.
So the guy who was on police radar during Amaral's watch but who couldn't be found despite apparently still living openly in Luz when and after Madeleine's disappearance, was able to use any one of his distinctive vehicles to saunter off to Germany without a backward glance.
If anyone can be classed as having an obsession that person is Amaral who was still casting slurs at Madeleine's father while championing the innocence of a paedophile and rapist who is prime suspect for three national police forces..
Maybe that explains why people are obsessed with him. He refused to be silenced, he refused to be brow-beaten and he's still newsworthy.
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Maybe that explains why people are obsessed with him. He refused to be silenced, he refused to be brow-beaten and he's still newsworthy.
Good God!
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So was I.
Oh? I thought you were trying to lay down the law and I was pointing out that the law doesn’t support your demand.
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Maybe that explains why people are obsessed with him. He refused to be silenced, he refused to be brow-beaten and he's still newsworthy.
@)(++(*. What explains your obsession with the McCanns and their friends and family then?
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Maybe that explains why people are obsessed with him. He refused to be silenced, he refused to be brow-beaten and he's still newsworthy.
Personally speaking I do not think that currently Amaral is as newsworthy as he ought to be (by the way he does have his very own thread where he can be eulogised while staying on topic).
Sceptics like asking questions ~ might I suggest one or two or three ~ starting with the revelation that the PJ did know about Brueckner while Amaral was co-ordinating Madeleine's investigation.
When he slipped through the net and back to Germany in 2007 did the Amaral investigation do what Scotland Yard did in 2013 and ask the BKA about him.
But most extraordinary of all ~ why on earth the Amaral pantomime following on from blowing the whistle on him in 2019.
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Personally speaking I do not think that currently Amaral is as newsworthy as he ought to be (by the way he does have his very own thread where he can be eulogised while staying on topic).
Sceptics like asking questions ~ might I suggest one or two or three ~ starting with the revelation that the PJ did know about Brueckner while Amaral was co-ordinating Madeleine's investigation.
When he slipped through the net and back to Germany in 2007 did the Amaral investigation do what Scotland Yard did in 2013 and ask the BKA about him.
But most extraordinary of all ~ why on earth the Amaral pantomime following on from blowing the whistle on him in 2019.
I thought it was you that wanted us to concentrate on the present and not hark back to the past, which those questions would do.
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Personally speaking I do not think that currently Amaral is as newsworthy as he ought to be (by the way he does have his very own thread where he can be eulogised while staying on topic).
Sceptics like asking questions ~ might I suggest one or two or three ~ starting with the revelation that the PJ did know about Brueckner while Amaral was co-ordinating Madeleine's investigation.
When he slipped through the net and back to Germany in 2007 did the Amaral investigation do what Scotland Yard did in 2013 and ask the BKA about him.
But most extraordinary of all ~ why on earth the Amaral pantomime following on from blowing the whistle on him in 2019.
He does indeed have his own thread, but somehow he appears on other threads all the time. I think it's due to some people's obsession with him.
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I thought it was you that wanted us to concentrate on the present and not hark back to the past, which those questions would do.
There are many past issues which have never been addressed by we armchair detectives because the simple fact is that we just did not know about them.
We heard about Brueckner for the first time at the beginning of 2020 as a direct result of Amaral's Saunokonoko's podcast indiscretion of 2019.
There was a bit of a fixation regarding Huelva and hire cars. But never anything about a convicted child abuser and rapist domiciled in Luz 2007 who was circulating from one end of Europe and probably elsewhere while stocking up on his raw materials for dealing drugs.
We did not know about Brueckner. We did not know that he had been of interest to the PJ in 2007. We did not know that Brueckner was resident in Luz while Madeleine McCann was on a holiday there from which she disappeared. So in effect this thread is new material squarely based on past events which are painfully relevant to current affairs under police investigation even as we speak.
Discussion of the prime suspect's movements and whereabouts and the criminal opportunities thus presented by career criminal Brueckner are really up to the minute speculations.
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He does indeed have his own thread, but somehow he appears on other threads all the time. I think it's due to some people's obsession with him.
Must fit in with the topic of the route from the Algarve to Germany, maybe he drove it.
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So anyway, Brueckner left Luz & returned to his native Germany, soon, soon I tell you, after Madeleine's disappearance.
Could it be that it was simply a coincidence?
Yes, that's exactly what was, & Wolters is unable to prove otherwise.
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He does indeed have his own thread, but somehow he appears on other threads all the time. I think it's due to some people's obsession with him.
There are posters who are indeed so obsessed with their single viewpoint that they are incapable of functioning within the confines dictated to remain On Topic of the threads.
It really is quite a simple context to grasp. Amaral is on topic here only insofar as he relates to Brueckner's odyssey in 2007. The fact Amaral claims to know that the PJ knew about Brueckner in 2007 and that he as coordinator must surely have known about him at that time certainly links him into on topic discussion here, but not really in the isolation pejoratively posted by you which is decidedly Off T and apparently just because you dislike the current On T discussion taking place here ;)
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So anyway, Brueckner left Luz & returned to his native Germany, soon, soon I tell you, after Madeleine's disappearance.
Could it be that it was simply a coincidence?
Yes, that's exactly what was, & Wolters is unable to prove otherwise.
CB was at Faro airport on the 9th of May, when his supposed girlfriend was stopped for the mace spray.
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Must fit in with the topic of the route from the Algarve to Germany, maybe he drove it.
You seem to have grasped the concept with both hands. Thank you for explaining this to others ;)
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There are posters who are indeed so obsessed with their single viewpoint that they are incapable of functioning within the confines dictated to remain On Topic of the threads.
It really is quite a simple context to grasp. Amaral is on topic here only insofar as he relates to Brueckner's odyssey in 2007. The fact Amaral claims to know that the PJ knew about Brueckner in 2007 and that he as coordinator must surely have known about him at that time certainly links him into on topic discussion here, but not really in the isolation pejoratively posted by you which is decidedly Off T and apparently just because you dislike the current On T discussion taking place here ;)
But what did the PJ actually know about Brueckner back in 2007?
They didn't know he raped Diane M or Hazel B at that time. It seems the most they knew about him was that he committed child sex crimes a decade prior in Germany.
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CB was at Faro airport on the 9th of May, when his supposed girlfriend was stopped for the mace spray.
Maddie was still bound and gagged in the back of his camper at that point. He wanted to wait until he got back to the Fuherer Land before he murdered her.
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Maddie was still bound and gagged in the back of his camper at that point. He wanted to wait until he got back to the Fuherer Land before he murdered her.
Wolters has said previous he believes she was killed in Portugal, strange how after all these years with a prime suspect emerging talk of murder is allowed and by a paedo.
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CB was at Faro airport on the 9th of May, when his supposed girlfriend was stopped for the mace spray.
That is spot on.
Doesn't Brueckner himself claim to have been present in his camper van in the area and far too busy to be bothered with any kidnapping taking place at the time.
Seems he can be placed well within the relevant area at the relevant time ~ but even so any time between the 3rd and the 9th is a long time to be off radar ~ particularly if the police are knocking at your door looking for you.
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That is spot on.
Doesn't Brueckner himself claim to have been present in his camper van in the area and far too busy to be bothered with any kidnapping taking place at the time.
Seems he can be placed well within the relevant area at the relevant time ~ but even so any time between the 3rd and the 9th is a long time to be off radar ~ particularly if the police are knocking at your door looking for you.
What date did they knock on his door then?
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Maddie was still bound and gagged in the back of his camper at that point. He wanted to wait until he got back to the Fuherer Land before he murdered her.
When asked where he believed she was killed, Wolters claimed: “In Portugal. I am optimistic we will solve this case.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-was-killed-portugal-24116495
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Maybe that explains why people are obsessed with him. He refused to be silenced, he refused to be brow-beaten and he's still newsworthy.
You should realise that by posting every day for several years shows that you are obsessed with this case and in no position to criticize others
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So anyway, Brueckner left Luz & returned to his native Germany, soon, soon I tell you, after Madeleine's disappearance.
Could it be that it was simply a coincidence?
Yes, that's exactly what was, & Wolters is unable to prove otherwise.
It depends what is meant by 'soon'. He was in Faro on 10th May and that's a fact.
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Wolters has said previous he believes she was killed in Portugal, strange how after all these years with a prime suspect emerging talk of murder is allowed and by a paedo.
The Germans were as ignorant as we were about the existence of Brueckner until witnesses came forward after appeals being made for Madeleine by her parents on German media and witnesses came forward as a result.
The positive response was a far cry from a previous occasion when
MARTIN FRICKER in Berlin
MADELEINE McCann's parents were yesterday cruelly forced to deny being involved in her kidnap.
In a shocking slur, German reporter Sabine Mueller asked Kate and Gerry McCann: "How do you feel that more and more people seem to imply you might have something to do with it?"
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The McCanns were in Berlin to publicise the disappearance of Madeleine, four. Defiant Mueller, 35, said: "Either they're very good actors or they're telling the truth."
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/DESPICABLE%3B+German+reporter+asks+McCanns%3A+Were+you+involved+in...-a0164574665
One wonders did the negativity emanating from the police investigation in Portugal have an adverse effect on previous responses to appeals. Although I think a witness did come forward in response to an appeal in 2013 when Brueckner did manage to slip through the net.
While no-one knew of his existence Brueckner was free to come and go at will doing pretty much as he pleased. If he did dispose of Madeleine one way or another, he certainly had the scope to do so.
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What date did they knock on his door then?
You will require to ask Amaral that one as he professes knowledge of the details.
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It depends what is meant by 'soon'. He was in Faro on 10th May and that's a fact.
Where was he oon the 3,4,5 th. I would say ..if hes as smart as Ithink he is....Wolters has spoken to everyone CB knows.......and no one knows
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When asked where he believed she was killed, Wolters claimed: “In Portugal. I am optimistic we will solve this case.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-was-killed-portugal-24116495
Nothing is set in tablets of stone.
Particularly in a case with fresh evidence still being claimed.
Only close intimates knew enough to have any suspicion of Brueckner and I think it possible they never gave it a thought. By all accounts he was capable of being a very personable character.
No-one else knew anything much about him. There may well be a lot of thought being given to events and places by casual acquaintances insignificant at the time but which taken on a new relevance when given a little thought.
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It depends what is meant by 'soon'. He was in Faro on 10th May and that's a fact.
Do you suppose en route to Germany or returning from.
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Maybe that explains why people are obsessed with him. He refused to be silenced, he refused to be brow-beaten and he's still newsworthy.
and he did not understand the evidence
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Do you suppose en route to Germany or returning from.
I thought you were the one who knew, not me? I've got no idea if and when CB went to Germany. It seems no-one else knows either.
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I thought you were the one who knew, not me? I've got no idea if and when CB went to Germany. It seems no-one else knows either.
Brueckner most certainly went to Germany. I now that for the simple reason it is well documented that he did. I must admit to surprise that you admit not knowing the fact that he did return but not surprised that you really do know little about this case beyond that to which you have limited yourself.
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I thought you were the one who knew, not me? I've got no idea if and when CB went to Germany. It seems no-one else knows either.
Wolters has interviewed everyone who knows him so has a good idea
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Wolters has interviewed everyone who knows him so has a good idea
How many books and documentaries have there been documenting some of his travels? The authors of which have been in contact with the prosecutors too. I think a lot of the blanks will have been filled in by now. Maybe more as intelligence rather than evidence.
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Brueckner most certainly went to Germany. I now that for the simple reason it is well documented that he did. I must admit to surprise that you admit not knowing the fact that he did return but not surprised that you really do know little about this case beyond that to which you have limited yourself.
So well documented that not one cite has been posted since I asked how people knew he went to Germany after Madeleine disappeared.
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So well documented that not one cite has been posted since I asked how people knew he went to Germany after Madeleine disappeared.
I can't provide a cite, but I believe there was a statement from the person who was allowing Brueckner to live in his attic, which would confirm date he was there.
This was only a tabloid-type report so may not be altogether reliable.
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So well documented that not one cite has been posted since I asked how people knew he went to Germany after Madeleine disappeared.
as I said...you would need to ask the man who knows...Wolters
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as I said...you would need to ask the man who knows...Wolters
I've been asking those who have claimed they know;
"We do know that Brueckner drove back to Germany shortly after Madeleine disappeared."
"We know he did return shortly after Madeleine disappeared."
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So well documented that not one cite has been posted since I asked how people knew he went to Germany after Madeleine disappeared.
My opinion. If you don't know that Brueckner returned to Germany after Madeleine's disappearance ~ you don't know much.
Is your googley thingy broken again disallowing you from checking some of his well documented sojourn in his native land. You know things like kiosks, disused box factory, allotments, dead dogs etc.
Didn't someone say he was still in the Algarve on May 10 and I'm certain that the police will have spoken to the witness he apparently stayed with for a short time when he arrived from one of his sabbaticals. So highly likely they know more than you credit them with.
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I can't provide a cite, but I believe there was a statement from the person who was allowing Brueckner to live in his attic, which would confirm date he was there.
This was only a tabloid-type report so may not be altogether reliable.
In the early days I'm sure I saw him being interviewed either on a news programme or in a documentary, possibly both.
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My opinion. If you don't know that Brueckner returned to Germany after Madeleine's disappearance ~ you don't know much.
Is your googley thingy broken again disallowing you from checking some of his well documented sojourn in his native land. You know things like kiosks, disused box factory, allotments, dead dogs etc.
Didn't someone say he was still in the Algarve on May 10 and I'm certain that the police will have spoken to the witness he apparently stayed with for a short time when he arrived from one of his sabbaticals. So highly likely they know more than you credit them with.
I certainly try not to claim I know something which I can't corroborate.
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I can't provide a cite, but I believe there was a statement from the person who was allowing Brueckner to live in his attic, which would confirm date he was there.
This was only a tabloid-type report so may not be altogether reliable.
THIS is the dingy attic bolthole where ‘nervous’ Madeleine suspect Christian Brueckner slept after leaving Portugal ‘to start a new life’.
Brueckner told landlord Alexander Bischof he was ‘between jobs and had no money’ and missed his English girlfriend.
Mr Bischof also said he agreed to take on the registration of Brueckner’s Jaguar, which is at the centre of the police inquiry, as a ‘favour’.
Brueckner arrived at his house in Braunschweig, near Hanover, shortly after the three-year-old vanished.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20200606/281595242759588
So no specific date there. But the investigators are sure to have narrowed it down.
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I certainly try not to claim I know something which I can't corroborate.
We all know how perfect you are ~ you post about it often enough.
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I've been asking those who have claimed they know;
"We do know that Brueckner drove back to Germany shortly after Madeleine disappeared."
"We know he did return shortly after Madeleine disappeared."
You seem a bit obsesed with Breukner
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You seem a bit obsesed with Breukner
Isnt the thread about him and travel ?
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Isnt the thread about him and travel ?
My mistake I thought it was about Amaral
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It was only a joke, Folks. Just my Theory. And everybody has got one of those. But I certainly didn't expect it to be quite so successful. Or to produce quite so much support for the dregs of humanity. But whatever floats your boat.
However, it has fulfilled it's purpose more than I could ever have hoped for. So thank you all.
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He does indeed have his own thread, but somehow he appears on other threads all the time. I think it's due to some people's obsession with him.
Well here's the thing. If you search for the word "Amaral" in my posts it returns 6 pages of results. If you search for the word "Amaral" in your posts it returns 13 pages of results. Now, what was that you were saying about obsession...? 8)--))
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You should realise that by posting every day for several years shows that you are obsessed with this case and in no position to criticize others
Well exactly. Talk about pots and kettles. G-Unit is utterly obsessed with trying to prove that the McCanns are hiding something. What a sad obsession to have.
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So well documented that not one cite has been posted since I asked how people knew he went to Germany after Madeleine disappeared.
Well he's definitely there now, unless you dispute that too?
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I can't provide a cite, but I believe there was a statement from the person who was allowing Brueckner to live in his attic, which would confirm date he was there.
This was only a tabloid-type report so may not be altogether reliable.
yes, I tried to find that too.
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There doesn't appear to be a definitive Date, probably because Brueckner was ducking and diving at the time.
It takes 28 and a half hours to do the road trip, presuming it is done non stop, which is hardly likely. And that is just to The German Border.
And once he got there he was immediately up to no good again.
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Didn’t someone on this forum (The Know-It-All General) claim that CB would have gone into the German Car License office in person to re-register his Jag?
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Didn’t someone on this forum (The Know-It-All General) claim that CB would have gone into the German Car License office in person to re-register his Jag?
He did. He said that there was no other way. The General, that is.
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So well documented that not one cite has been posted since I asked how people knew he went to Germany after Madeleine disappeared.
The day after Madeleine's disappearance, Brueckner suddenly placed his Jaguar in someone else's name. Soon after, he left Portugal and moved back to Germany, eventually settling in the small German city of Braunschweig.
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The day after Madeleine's disappearance, Brueckner suddenly placed his Jaguar in someone else's name. Soon after, he left Portugal and moved back to Germany, eventually settling in the small German city of Braunschweig.
That's a report from the Daily Mail - enough said.
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Didn’t someone on this forum (The Know-It-All General) claim that CB would have gone into the German Car License office in person to re-register his Jag?
I do miss the Generals posts....he was the person who provided the cite that the ECHR judgement was not based on facts....as we understand...but facts as Amaral and the PJ
understood
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That's a report from the Daily Mail - enough said.
They willmost likely have got the information from German newspapers. What makes you doubt its veracity? Any particular reason apart from it’s in a newspaper you dislike?
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https://youtu.be/Jh9ZYthNqTk?t=2650
Registering the Jaguar was arranged weeks before May 4th, according to a witness from the MWT documentary.
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One of Brückner’s drug convictions was for dealing on the German island of Sylt in 2007.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-a-timeline
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Also this
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11890671/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-left-portugal-days-before-her-disappearance-to-set-up-drugs-network/
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You seem a bit obsesed with Breukner
Out of all the burgling paedo rapists in the world, he is my favourite.
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It was only a joke, Folks. Just my Theory. And everybody has got one of those. But I certainly didn't expect it to be quite so successful. Or to produce quite so much support for the dregs of humanity. But whatever floats your boat.
However, it has fulfilled it's purpose more than I could ever have hoped for. So thank you all.
I have a big interest in this and would like to join in.
Unfortunately am really quite poorly atm and know I haven't the enrgy to make a worttwhile contributtion, but who knows, Maybe in a few days? Hope so. Ret might be able to enlighten you.
Well done Elli and Anthro, for starting thread. That journey needs careful examination
RobittyBob is good on these sort of conundrums. He picks the info apart. Please try not to ponce on him if he does return
Byee, sadie xx
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Also this
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11890671/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-left-portugal-days-before-her-disappearance-to-set-up-drugs-network/
He bought & sold kilos of weed. What an absolute Chad. This could be significant, as Kate believed Madeleine was drugged ?>)()<