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Offline kizzy

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2790 on: May 06, 2019, 08:53:16 AM »
Why stage an abduction by opening a window and shutter claiming it was jemmied and then not actually jemmy it and then closing it?


Wasnt it the blowing curtains/slamming door - that alerted kmc to look in the bedroom.

Something had to attract her attention - or how else would she have known Maddie had gone.  8**8:/:

Offline kizzy

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2791 on: May 06, 2019, 09:02:30 AM »
Only the patio door was left open & no one went in or out of it without tidying up after themselves.
The front door was locked, the fairytale abductor required a key to enter it.



Or maybe the window would have been jemmied- but backfired in the time scale and obvious panic.

Maybe not - no fingerprints were found only kmcs

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2792 on: May 06, 2019, 09:04:31 AM »

Wasnt it the blowing curtains/slamming door - that alerted kmc to look in the bedroom.

Something had to attract her attention - or how else would she have known Maddie had gone.  8**8:/:
Ooh,now let’s see, she could have claimed one of the twins cried out in their sleep or she went in to make sure they were all covered up with blankets, don’t you think?  8**8:/:
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Offline kizzy

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2793 on: May 06, 2019, 09:15:42 AM »
Ooh,now let’s see, she could have claimed one of the twins cried out in their sleep or she went in to make sure they were all covered up with blankets, don’t you think?  8**8:/:

What - wouldn't she have had to wake one of them up if that was the case.

That wouldn't have been easy -  would it.

Make sure they where all covered up with blankets - no I don't think.  8**8:/:

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2794 on: May 06, 2019, 09:51:33 AM »
Ooh,now let’s see, she could have claimed one of the twins cried out in their sleep or she went in to make sure they were all covered up with blankets, don’t you think?  8**8:/:

That wouldn't have allowed her to deduce abduction immediately.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2795 on: May 06, 2019, 09:52:43 AM »
That wouldn't have allowed her to deduce abduction immediately.
It would if she’d claimed she looked at Madeleine’s bed and there was no Madeleine.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2796 on: May 06, 2019, 09:54:03 AM »
What - wouldn't she have had to wake one of them up if that was the case.

That wouldn't have been easy -  would it.

Make sure they where all covered up with blankets - no I don't think.  8**8:/:
Zero logic in you post IMO.  Are you a parent?  Are you not familiar with the idea of making sure your young children are covered up at night?   &%%6
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Offline Lace

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2797 on: May 06, 2019, 09:56:25 AM »

Why use the window at all - if there had been someone observing them as they say on previous nights.

They would have seen that the doors were left open.

They would also have seen many people up and down the patio area.   The front door was more secluded.    It could be the person got in through the window and handed Madeleine out to another person,  or came in through the window and went out through the door,  or just opened the window once inside to hand Madeleine out through it,  or to get suspicion away from the fact they had a key,  or just as a quick getaway if caught in the room.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2798 on: May 06, 2019, 10:09:47 AM »
They would also have seen many people up and down the patio area.   The front door was more secluded.    It could be the person got in through the window and handed Madeleine out to another person,  or came in through the window and went out through the door,  or just opened the window once inside to hand Madeleine out through it,  or to get suspicion away from the fact they had a key,  or just as a quick getaway if caught in the room.
The latter is the most plausible explanation in my view.  Makes total sense.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2799 on: May 06, 2019, 10:12:03 AM »
It would if she’d claimed she looked at Madeleine’s bed and there was no Madeleine.

Would she have known immediately that Madeleome had been taken? Not accordinf to her. Har first thought was that Madeleine was in her parent's bed. It was the opin window and shutters that told her what had happened.
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Offline Lace

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2800 on: May 06, 2019, 10:30:09 AM »
Only the patio door was left open & no one went in or out of it without tidying up after themselves.
The front door was locked, the fairytale abductor required a key to enter it.

Can you explain how the person who entered apartments to get into bed with children actually entered the apartments?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2801 on: May 06, 2019, 10:44:37 AM »
Gerry found that the shutter could be raised from outside,   was it supposed to do that?   If the shutter was onlly supposed to be raised by using the control in the bedroom then,  yes it was broken.   Gerry by the sound of it was very upset 'roaring like a bull'  it was said,  so maybe he did say it was broken or levered up.   How can anyone suggest that he was lying about it?

Who actually saw him raise the shutters? DP entered the apartment after the alarm and never saw it. Read his rog. And more importantly, why would Kate ask DW to try and raise them which she was unable to do if Gerry had already done so?
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2802 on: May 06, 2019, 10:48:44 AM »
Would she have known immediately that Madeleome had been taken? Not accordinf to her. Har first thought was that Madeleine was in her parent's bed. It was the opin window and shutters that told her what had happened.
Why does thr “immediately “ factor matter in this scenario?  After checking the apartment she would have been able to conclude (remember in this scenario she s alleging an abduction) that Madeleine must have been taken.  It’s really tiresome to have to keep pointing out the obvious. 
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2803 on: May 06, 2019, 10:56:08 AM »
If the window was shut and it is later found open it has been tampered with IMO.

People forget that pushing up the shutter doesn't allow access to the bedroom if the window is closed and secured.  The only way an intruder could get into that bedroom via the window was if the window was open to begin with.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #2804 on: May 06, 2019, 10:58:10 AM »
Zero logic in you post IMO.  Are you a parent?  Are you not familiar with the idea of making sure your young children are covered up at night?   &%%6




Well being logic  @)(++(*

She wasn't going to to do that anyway was she - make sure her little ones were covered up

If the door hadn't of slammed -  she would have gone straight back out

But hey your right a caring parent would have done that - but she wasn't going to was she.


As for asking what I would do VS - I'm not the one who left the little ones alone am i