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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #765 on: November 23, 2017, 10:02:09 AM »
Quote from: Lace on November 23, 2017, 09:49:57 AM
So there were no gusts of wind when Matthew did his check,   all that means is that the wind hadn't picked up then nothing more,   he did a quick glance in and was gone.   Though he did say the room was lighter he thought it was the moon.    I beleive the blind and window were open when he did his check.
I don't believe any of that.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #766 on: November 23, 2017, 10:50:19 AM »
Quote from: misty on November 23, 2017, 01:10:27 AM
Did Matt move the door/leave it ajar again during his check or did he leave it as he found it - open over 45° - meaning there were only 2 door moves?

Matt didn't touch the door. He and Gerry both said it was half-open. Only the McCanns thought it was strange that it had moved from ajar and went to investigate. As Jassi correctly pointed out, Matt didn't know anything was wrong about the half-open door.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #767 on: November 23, 2017, 11:01:55 AM »
Quote from: Lace on November 23, 2017, 09:49:57 AM
So there were no gusts of wind when Matthew did his check,   all that means is that the wind hadn't picked up then nothing more,   he did a quick glance in and was gone.   Though he did say the room was lighter he thought it was the moon.    I beleive the blind and window were open when he did his check.

In my opinion ... The window was not open when he did his check as he explained to the police - no fluttering curtains, no sounds, no draughts - he reckons he could hear twins breathing it was so quiet but not notice a fully open window with cold wind haha - he was in there for a few minutes looking at books by the light in the living room. You have no evidence of it being open before Matt's check. Russell and Jane went through the car park after Matt's check and didn't notice a unmissable raised shutters and open window from one of the children's bedroom. The twins didn't wake with an open window for 30 minutes. No evidence leads to an open window before Matt's check. In my opinion ... The only person that connected to an open window before Matt's check was Tannerman who McCann supporters love to blame as the abductor.

Listen Up! SY has found Tannerman. He is history!

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Jane Mcard

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #768 on: November 23, 2017, 01:13:35 PM »
IMO. no proof whatsoever that that window was ever open or that the shutters had been tampered with at all.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #769 on: November 23, 2017, 01:17:48 PM »
Just to dispel a recurring myth, the balcony of 5A was not 'bathed' in light. 8:23, Panorama May 2012

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/PANORAMA_20_04_2012.htm
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stephen25000

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Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #770 on: November 23, 2017, 01:19:24 PM »
Quote from: Jane Mcard on November 23, 2017, 01:13:35 PM
IMO. no proof whatsoever that that window was ever open or that the shutters had been tampered with at all.

Quite right, and certainly never verified that the window was open or the shutters disturbed, until Kate McCann went to the apartment.

Naturally, I.M.H.O.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #771 on: November 23, 2017, 07:36:50 PM »
Quote from: Jane Mcard on November 23, 2017, 01:13:35 PM
IMO, no proof whatsoever that that window was ever open or that the shutters had been tampered with at all.


I would love to know how you came to be so opinionated so soon?
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Offline Jane Mcard

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #772 on: November 24, 2017, 01:58:02 PM »
There is no proof that the shutters were ever open or were tampered with by anyone else. It's in the files, no one other than I think 1 member of staff allege they saw it open and it was shut when the police arrived. So it was the McCanns themselves if they ever saw it open in the first place that tampered with the crimescene. Alternatively they opened and shut it themselves, allowing one person to see it open. imo.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #773 on: November 24, 2017, 02:04:11 PM »
Quote from: Jane Mcard on November 24, 2017, 01:58:02 PM
There is no proof that the shutters were ever open or were tampered with by anyone else. It's in the files, no one other than I think 1 member of staff allege they saw it open and it was shut when the police arrived. So it was the McCanns themselves if they ever saw it open in the first place that tampered with the crimescene. Alternatively they opened and shut it themselves, allowing one person to see it open. imo.

Kate said they were open...she isn't a suspect so its reasonable to believe her
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stephen25000

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Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #774 on: November 24, 2017, 03:25:19 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 24, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
Kate said they were open...she isn't a suspect so its reasonable to believe her

Why should we believe her ?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #775 on: November 24, 2017, 03:41:38 PM »
Quote from: stephen25000 on November 24, 2017, 03:25:19 PM
Why should we believe her ?
Why should we not believe her..
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stephen25000

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Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #776 on: November 24, 2017, 04:24:58 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 24, 2017, 03:41:38 PM
Why should we not believe her..

NO VERIFICATION of the windows open and shutters disturbed before 10 pm.

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #777 on: November 24, 2017, 04:28:49 PM »

We will not be accusing Kate McCann of lying.  Thank you.

Oh, and Back On Topic.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #778 on: November 24, 2017, 04:37:59 PM »
Quote from: stephen25000 on November 24, 2017, 04:24:58 PM
NO VERIFICATION of the windows open and shutters disturbed before 10 pm.

 8((()*/

We have verification from Kate
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stephen25000

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Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #779 on: November 24, 2017, 04:39:34 PM »
The truth of what happened, and who has or who has
 not told the truth , has not been determined, and would only be done so if charges were brought to court.

The rest is opinion.
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