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Offline Albertini

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #195 on: August 09, 2013, 12:55:25 PM »
Only newspapers.

And no dates given

All from July 2013, check them.


Offline gilet

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #197 on: August 09, 2013, 01:00:06 PM »
Why are you being so incredibly pompous? Why can you not take part in discussions without this attempted air of superiority festering in your every post?

No i'm not being presumptious as that's basically the gist of it between the two camps.

I am not unwilling to see two sides of any argument. I am prepared to accept abduction when clear evidence demonstrates it.

I am also happy to take what has been said and use my brain to join the dots where necessary if there are any gaps.

Given we haven't got all the information readily available it's the only way one can draw conclusions in such cases.

Me too, glad we agree.

There was no statement on air as such, however there was i believe an off air question and answer section where it came out. Certainly given the sheer number of media sources that reported it (and all those links i posted were from July and related to the last press conference) to know, with confidence, that it was said.

As I say it simply depends on which media sources (or none) that you choose to trust and believe. I have provided a whole range of links to media which make the claim that the inquiry had ended. I might add that the Telegraph has a different slant in that they proclaim that the review had been upgraded into an investigation of the potential persons of interest.

"You pays your money and you takes your pick". Personally I find it hard to believe that SY are now conducting both the investigation and a review at the same time. But that is just my take on the matter. There is evidence of both options but no proof either way.


Offline gilet

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #198 on: August 09, 2013, 01:03:37 PM »
Cant be bothered.

Only newspapers.

You have to wonder why posters give quotations and tell you to read them but deliberately leave out crucial details like the actual link which you know they possess.

What could the motive for such a deliberate action be I wonder?

Surely they are not playing a silly game and trying to wind up the person who they are challenging to read their evidence? That would be contrary to all good practice in debate.

Perhaps Albertini can explain why he chose not to offer links to the articles he was quoting from but demands that people should waste time finding them for themselves? What is his motive for that deliberate wasting of peoples' time?


Offline Albertini

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #199 on: August 09, 2013, 01:16:43 PM »
You have to wonder why posters give quotations and tell you to read them but deliberately leave out crucial details like the actual link which you know they possess.

What could the motive for such a deliberate action be I wonder?

Surely they are not playing a silly game and trying to wind up the person who they are challenging to read their evidence? That would be contrary to all good practice in debate.

Perhaps Albertini can explain why he chose not to offer links to the articles he was quoting from but demands that people should waste time finding them for themselves? What is his motive for that deliberate wasting of peoples' time?

Oh do go forth and multiply.

How about direct from the Yard themselves:

http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Latest-update-on-Madeleine-McCann-case/1400018438045/1257246741786

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Over the past two years the review, whilst not complete, has been in a unique position having drawn together material from the UK, Portugal and private investigators from seven different companies.

I'm happy to accept your apologies and withdrawl of your spurious claims.


Offline Albertini

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #201 on: August 09, 2013, 01:39:57 PM »
Posted and sourced in full once more for Gilet and Sadie:

http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Latest-update-on-Madeleine-McCann-case/1400018438045/1257246741786

 Latest update on Madeleine McCann case

04 July 2013
Incident Date

03/05/2007
Incident Location

Praia da Luz , Portugal
Description

Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Service conducting the investigative review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have now moved to an investigative stage of the inquiry.

Over the past two years the review, whilst not complete, has been in a unique position having drawn together material from the UK, Portugal and private investigators from seven different companies.

This process has been complex and issues such as translation of material have presented particular challenges. To date some 30,500 documents have entered into the process which has generated in excess of 3,800 actions. The actions that we have completed have generated new findings and new witness evidence.

Our review has sought to prioritise the material, ensuring we are doing everything possible to understand what happened to Madeleine. In the absence of any clear evidence to the contrary we maintain our belief that Madeleine may still be alive.

The MPS has conducted sixteen visits to Portugal and we have met and shared our findings with key members of both the Policia Judiciaria and Judicial Authorities. Our relationship is positive and we are grateful for the co-operation we have received thus far.

We are satisfied that our review has now progressed to a position where we have identified 38 persons of interest. These individuals are from a number of European countries and we are now at an advanced stage of dialogue with each country.

Over the coming months we will be conducting assertive enquiries, with the assistance of host countries to establish more information about the individuals concerned and any potential involvement.

Twelve of the persons of interest are UK Nationals who we believe were in Portugal at the time Madeleine went missing.

Officers, under Operation Grange, have formally requested the Crown Prosecution Service submit an International Letter of Request to the Portuguese Authorities seeking assistance in obtaining evidence relating to lines of enquiry they wish to pursue. This has been done with the full support of the UK Government.

The MPS has requested, in accordance with accepted Mutual Assistance practice, that a small number of UK officers are present in Portugal whilst the enquiries are undertaken.

The MPS will be as open as our operational priorities allow but in the context of this complex operating environment we appeal for media restraint. There is a real risk that a lack of restraint could serve to seriously undermine our ability to progress.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, heading Operation Grange said today:

"We, and the Portuguese authorities, remain completely committed to finding out what happened to Madeleine, and everything we do is utterly focused on her best interests.

"We continue to believe that there is a possibility that Madeleine is alive.

"It is a positive step in our hunt for Madeleine that our understanding of the evidence has enabled us to shift from review to investigation.

"We have identified 38 persons of interest from a number of European countries. Twelve of those people are UK Nationals who we believe were in Portugal at the time Madeleine disappeared.

"Our working relationship with the Portuguese police is positive and now that we have moved to investigation we are requesting further specific assistance through normal judicial routes.

"We remain in close contact with Kate and Gerry McCann and they are updated on our current position.

"We continue to appeal for information. If you were at the resort of Praia da Luz between 28 April and 3 May 2007, either on holiday or in residence in the resort during this period, particularly in the vicinity of the Ocean Club, and you have not been spoken to by police either here or in Portugal then please call us on
0800 0961011 if you are within the UK.

"The number for non-UK residents is +44 2071580 126. Alternatively if you do not want to speak to us directly you can contact Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.”

Offline gilet

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #202 on: August 09, 2013, 01:42:17 PM »
Oh do go forth and multiply.

How about direct from the Yard themselves:

http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Latest-update-on-Madeleine-McCann-case/1400018438045/1257246741786

I'm happy to accept your apologies and withdrawl of your spurious claims.

No mention of the two thirds completion at all I see.  No indication whether the completion is imminent or not?

Had you not been so abusive I would have seriously considered apologising.

But after your disgusting abuse to me. Sorry, not a chance.

Why do people have to resort to abuse in that way I wonder. It reflects badly only on them.

Offline Albertini

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #203 on: August 09, 2013, 01:52:13 PM »
No mention of the two thirds completion at all I see.  No indication whether the completion is imminent or not?

Had you not been so abusive I would have seriously considered apologising.

But after your disgusting abuse to me. Sorry, not a chance.

Why do people have to resort to abuse in that way I wonder. It reflects badly only on them.

Really? From the person who said:

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You have to wonder why posters give quotations and tell you to read them but deliberately leave out crucial details like the actual link which you know they possess.

What could the motive for such a deliberate action be I wonder?

Surely they are not playing a silly game and trying to wind up the person who they are challenging to read their evidence? That would be contrary to all good practice in debate.

Perhaps Albertini can explain why he chose not to offer links to the articles he was quoting from but demands that people should waste time finding them for themselves? What is his motive for that deliberate wasting of peoples' time?

There was not one word in my post which was abusive.

What it does mention is that it isn't complete which was your position. And it is wrong. Whether it is nearly or not at all complete is irrelevant flannel.

You have demonstrated complete arrogance and pompus tone throughout our discussions culminating in the above quoted diatribe casting aspersions on me.

You reap what you sow.

Offline gilet

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #204 on: August 09, 2013, 01:58:42 PM »
Really? From the person who said:

There was not one word in my post which was abusive.

What it does mention is that it isn't complete which was your position. And it is wrong. Whether it is nearly or not at all complete is irrelevant flannel.

You have demonstrated complete arrogance and pompus tone throughout our discussions culminating in the above quoted diatribe casting aspersions on me.

You reap what you sow.

I quote:

Oh do go forth and multiply.

If you do not find that abusive then I simply have to disagree with you. I am certaion others will understand just how abusive that comment is and just how badly it in fact reflects on you.

As I said I would have apologised but for that abuse on your part.

The Scotland Yard document does indicate that the review is incomplete and like the news media which reported that the review was complete I was mistaken in that regard.

But absolutely no apology will be forthcoming to a person who chooses to abuse me in that disgraceful way.


Offline Albertini

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #205 on: August 09, 2013, 02:23:31 PM »
I quote:

If you do not find that abusive then I simply have to disagree with you. I am certaion others will understand just how abusive that comment is and just how badly it in fact reflects on you.

As I said I would have apologised but for that abuse on your part.

The Scotland Yard document does indicate that the review is incomplete and like the news media which reported that the review was complete I was mistaken in that regard.

But absolutely no apology will be forthcoming to a person who chooses to abuse me in that disgraceful way.

Which is not the same as telling someone to eff off!

Your pomposity had consantly been writing cheques your intellect couldn't cash throughout this thread, directed at me in particular. This arrogance culminated in you accusing me of playing silly games and your inference was that i had falsified or changed quotes.

Given those allegations and inferences against me you deserved a polite rebuke for acting in this manner.

It is amusing to note your faux outrage as a way of deflecting debate away from the fact that you were quite spectacularly wrong.

Irrespective of my polite rebuke you would not have apologised, you would have simply found some other deflection or tangent in which to attempt to weasel out of accepting you wrong.

I couldn't care less if you do apologise or not my point has been proven correct and that's good enough for me.

Offline sadie

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #206 on: August 09, 2013, 02:25:31 PM »
I quote:

If you do not find that abusive then I simply have to disagree with you. I am certaion others will understand just how abusive that comment is and just how badly it in fact reflects on you.

As I said I would have apologised but for that abuse on your part.

The Scotland Yard document does indicate that the review is incomplete and like the news media which reported that the review was complete I was mistaken in that regard.

But absolutely no apology will be forthcoming to a person who chooses to abuse me in that disgraceful way.
Would be highly surprising if SY investigation and review was absolutely complete, as they have a further 38 peeps to interview, twelve of them British Nationals.  Maybe some have now been interviewed and that number has diminished?   

But the facts of the matter are that with each interview, even if they do not have the actual man/group behind the abductions ... then they are hoping to gain further information.

So the investigation will regain impetus and direction with the new information gleaned.



That is how it seems to me anyhow.

Redblossom

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Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #207 on: August 09, 2013, 02:58:25 PM »
I quote:

If you do not find that abusive then I simply have to disagree with you. I am certaion others will understand just how abusive that comment is and just how badly it in fact reflects on you.

As I said I would have apologised but for that abuse on your part.

The Scotland Yard document does indicate that the review is incomplete and like the news media which reported that the review was complete I was mistaken in that regard.

But absolutely no apology will be forthcoming to a person who chooses to abuse me in that disgraceful way.

Gosh the indignation is astounding! When you directly or without a thin  veil make accusations or cast aspersions against others, what do you expect? A muted swear expression out of exasperation  is acceptable and far less abusive  than what you do and most people CAN see that   

your constant pomposity, air of superiority, condescending posts, calling people stupid or silly, immoral, liars, commenting on their characters,vexatious attacks 24/7, and the rest, have a word with yourself!
Pot kettle black.
And as said, you reap what you sow.And you reaped it well today!

Offline sadie

Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #208 on: August 09, 2013, 03:09:50 PM »
Gosh the indignation is astounding! When you directly or without a thin  veil make accusations or cast aspersions against others, what do you expect? A muted swear expression out of exasperation  is acceptable and far less abusive  than what you do and most people CAN see that   

your constant pomposity, air of superiority, condescending posts, calling people stupid or silly, immoral, liars, commenting on their characters,vexatious attacks 24/7, and the rest, have a word with yourself!
Pot kettle black.
And as said, you reap what you sow.And you reaped it well today!
You have proved that you are happy abusing others, any time except when stopped by authority.

Even to the extent that it has been commented on, and decryed,  in at least two other internet places.

May I respectfully suggest that you are no person to judge anything to do with abuse and furthermore you are not always truthful.



There is nothing pompous about gilet, just an amazing intellect that is sorting you all out.  I have only seen one other poster to equal her.

If you cant take the heat then pls leave the kitchen

Redblossom

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Re: Sadie's theory, the watcher and a getaway car.
« Reply #209 on: August 09, 2013, 03:22:37 PM »

There is nothing pompous about gilet, just an amazing intellect that is sorting you all out.  I have only seen one other poster to equal her.

If you cant take the heat then pls leave the kitchen

And you are WHO? With what qualifications to say anyone  has an amazing intellect? Well guess what, I would take honest down to earth posters anyday than GILETs billous offerings intellect or not, an intellect which is abused unfortunately