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Offline Holly Goodhead

Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« on: April 19, 2021, 09:37:31 PM »
The following is a Bafta-winning real-life drama about the murder of Sophie Lancaster in 2007. She was attacked, along with her boyfriend, because they were dressed as goths:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0559fd8/murdered-for-being-different

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sophie_Lancaster

I watched the above earlier which imo is excellent.  It also portrays how fearful witnesses were about coming forward.
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2021, 09:44:35 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on April 19, 2021, 09:37:31 PM
The following is a Bafta-winning real-life drama about the murder of Sophie Lancaster in 2007. She was attacked, along with her boyfriend, because they were dressed as goths:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0559fd8/murdered-for-being-different

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sophie_Lancaster

I watched the above earlier which imo is excellent.  It also portrays how fearful witnesses were about coming forward.


“.....she was killed because some arseholes killed her. Why can’t we ask what it is about them that made them want to murder someone? Not what it is about someone that made them be murdered.”
Robert Maltby - June 2017 via The Guardian
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2021, 09:49:45 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on April 19, 2021, 09:37:31 PM
The following is a Bafta-winning real-life drama about the murder of Sophie Lancaster in 2007. She was attacked, along with her boyfriend, because they were dressed as goths:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0559fd8/murdered-for-being-different

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sophie_Lancaster

I watched the above earlier which imo is excellent.  It also portrays how fearful witnesses were about coming forward.

‘The timing of the attack did not help; it was one of a series of unconnected crimes that triggered a period of intense media coverage and national soul-searching. On the same night, 25 miles away in Warrington, teenagers attacked Garry Newlove outside his home. He died two days later. The next week, a 16-year-old boy in Liverpool shot and killed 11-year-old Rhys Jones. The following June, three teenagers stabbed Ben Kinsella to death in north London after a minor disagreement with the boy’s friends.
There seemed to be a pattern; groups of young men, who were known to police but not to their victims, committing horrific attacks in public without provocation.

Coverage of the crimes and the campaigns they inspired focused variously on knives, binge drinking, anti-social-behaviour and troubled families.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/15/robert-maltby-on-the-of-his-girlfriend-sophie-lancaster-the-goth-thing-was-an-oversimplification
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2021, 10:00:03 PM »
Really?  Another thread on the same subject??
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2021, 10:16:45 AM »
The following documentary features:

- Slyvia Lancaster (Sophie's mother)
- Stacey Elder (Sophie's friend)
- Suzanne Trickett (Sophie's friend)
- Catherine Symth (Local journalist)
- Dean Holden (Det Chief Insp in charge of investigation)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmpn4F1nE74

@ 38 mins in until the end all refer to Sophie and Rob singled out due to the fact they appeared different.  Sylvia refers to them targetted as a result of being 'alternative' and makes reference to goths and other subcultures.  Stacey Elder refers to them, including herself, targetted as a result of the way they looked, dressed and the music they listened to. 

At the beginning of the vid Suzanne Trickett refers to attending a Marilyn Manson concert with Sophie.

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2021, 10:55:30 AM »
I don't think you answered my question on one of the several other threads where you raise the Goth issue.  It's to do with Goth attacks in Jodi's neighbourhood - how many were there or have there been pre and post her death?  How many physical maimings and murders of Goths in her town or the environs?  Did Jodi report having been bullied or harassed for her interest in Goth Culture?  In short do you have any evidence at all to back up your theory apart from the fact that Goth Bashing is a thing?  It would be like me saying that Damilola Taylor was a victim of a racial attack by white racists without providing any supporting evidence to back it up. 
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2021, 11:11:17 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 20, 2021, 10:55:30 AM
I don't think you answered my question on one of the several other threads where you raise the Goth issue.  It's to do with Goth attacks in Jodi's neighbourhood - how many were there or have there been pre and post her death?  How many physical maimings and murders of Goths in her town or the environs?  Did Jodi report having been bullied or harassed for her interest in Goth Culture?  In short do you have any evidence at all to back up your theory apart from the fact that Goth Bashing is a thing?  It would be like me saying that Damilola Taylor was a victim of a racial attack by white racists without providing any supporting evidence to back it up.

Ive posted links to goth attacks in Scotland but just for you...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44644067

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/goths-threatened-acid-attacks-young-19141062

Why do you think J J's hair was pulled out and her clothes removed?  Both represent goth culture.  No sexual assault. 
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2021, 11:47:27 AM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on April 20, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
Ive posted links to goth attacks in Scotland but just for you...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44644067

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/goths-threatened-acid-attacks-young-19141062

Why do you think J J's hair was pulled out and her clothes removed?  Both represent goth culture.  No sexual assault.
Were those attacks you've posted links to in Jodi's neighbourhood?  Again, it would be like me posting links to racist attacks on blacks in London to justify a theory that Damilola Taylor was killed in a racist attack - you need to do a bit better than that. 

Did Jodi's clothes and hair represent "Goth Culture"  - perhaps you can elucidate on this.  IMO, Goth fashion is quite extreme, with white panstick, black eyeliner and lipstick, big scary black hair, multiple piercings and studded leather items, all black clothing, how much of this was Jodi desporting on the evening of her death? 
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Offline William Wallace

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2021, 12:00:17 AM »
NO. Don't you read other threads?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2021, 07:11:53 AM »
Quote from: William Wallace on April 21, 2021, 12:00:17 AM
NO. Don't you read other threads?
If this is addressed to me what exactly are you saying “NO” to?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2021, 10:08:52 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 21, 2021, 07:11:53 AM
If this is addressed to me what exactly are you saying “NO” to?

I find using the 'quote' when replying avoids confusion.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2021, 12:53:48 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on April 21, 2021, 10:08:52 AM
I find using the 'quote' when replying avoids confusion.
A straight "NO" in response to my post makes no sense so I'm not even sure it was in answer to me...
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Offline Brietta

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2021, 03:15:58 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 21, 2021, 12:53:48 PM
A straight "NO" in response to my post makes no sense so I'm not even sure it was in answer to me...

Actually I thought it was in response to the thread title. I wondered where the suggestion had been made in other threads😮
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Offline William Wallace

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2021, 04:33:56 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on April 21, 2021, 07:11:53 AM
If this is addressed to me what exactly are you saying “NO” to?

Sorry, it was an answer to the thread title.
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Offline William Wallace

Re: Was Jodi Jones Murdered Due To Identifying As A Goth?
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2021, 04:37:42 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on April 21, 2021, 03:15:58 PM
Actually I thought it was in response to the thread title. I wondered where the suggestion had been made in other threads😮

Sorry, it was a response to the thread title. By the reference to reading other threads I meant those which contain more likely theories than just being a Goth. J wasn't killed for that. She wasn't a true Goth anyway.
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