Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.

[G-Unit]

The point I have been trying to make is these dogs do not detect DNA.  Keela trained smell dried human blood and Eddie was trained to detect human decomposition.

I think Keela alerted to the presence of human blood because that's what she was traoned to alert to. Therefore the DNA found was from human blood imo.

[Mr Gray]

DNA was one of the physical corroborations..  It does not confirm Madeleine died, it doesn't corroborate that.  So what does it point to?  Is there another unknown victim involved?    There were two men seen carrying children around, were the children different kids?   What makes us think they were the same kids, What makes us think one of them was Madeleine?

Grime hasn't said any alerts are corroborated...

[Robittybob1]

I think Keela alerted to the presence of human blood because that's what she was traoned to alert to. Therefore the DNA found was from human blood imo.

DNA is in cells, and there is no DNA in red blood cells (RBCs). The body has a way of removing the nucleus from the RBCs.  The lab must have a way of telling if the DNA is from a human.  (I have no knowledge about that).

Grime hasn't said any alerts are corroborated...

  When would he have said that? 

we know when he did the searches in August 2007
We know when he wrote his report.
We know when FSS sent their report to the PJ.

Does Martin Grime make any announcements after the results come back?  There is a rogatory interview with MG Dated May 14 2008.

In the rogatory he says "In this case in particular, where the dogs alerted there was confirmation by positive results from the forensic examinations. It is the investigators' responsibility to apply the results of the forensic analysis to the suspects, witnesses and crime scenes."

So that clearly states there was confirmation.

[Brietta]

The question I was dealing with is whether Keela's alerts were confirmed. The answer is yes they were; DNA was recovered. Keela did her job. Whether what she found was useful is another question entirely and one which has nothing to do with Grime or his dogs.

 ... and it was all a great big zero as far as Amaral's theory was concerned which was proved when no charges were brought against anyone either as a result of the visit of the British dogs or of any evidence collected by the police.

That reality is something which Mark Saunokonoko with his podcasts and other sceptics appear not to be able to accept despite each regurgitation of the salient facts failure to change facts more to their liking.

I don't think it is even academic ... I think it is pointless and vindictive while Madeleine's case is presently under the investigation her parents fought so hard and for so many years to happen.

How on earth has Saunokonoko failed to notice that the real investigators have progressed far beyond the fantasies of a discredited policeman who appeared to be less concerned with finding Madeleine than convicting her mother?

Twelve years ago is historical in investigative terms and all the insinuation and innuendo stemming from constant revisiting cannot alter the fact that there are two very serious investigations being conducted by Scotland Yard and the Judicial police into what actually happened to Madeleine McCann ... neither of which I am almost certain, will be relying either on Saunokonoko podcasts or Amaral's thesis to inform them.

[Lace]

... and it was all a great big zero as far as Amaral's theory was concerned which was proved when no charges were brought against anyone either as a result of the visit of the British dogs or of any evidence collected by the police.

That reality is something which Mark Saunokonoko with his podcasts and other sceptics appear not to be able to accept despite each regurgitation of the salient facts failure to change facts more to their liking.

I don't think it is even academic ... I think it is pointless and vindictive while Madeleine's case is presently under the investigation her parents fought so hard and for so many years to happen.

How on earth has Saunokonoko failed to notice that the real investigators have progressed far beyond the fantasies of a discredited policeman who appeared to be less concerned with finding Madeleine than convicting her mother?

Twelve years ago is historical in investigative terms and all the insinuation and innuendo stemming from constant revisiting cannot alter the fact that there are two very serious investigations being conducted by Scotland Yard and the Judicial police into what actually happened to Madeleine McCann ... neither of which I am almost certain, will be relying either on Saunokonoko podcasts or Amaral's thesis to inform them.

      Very well said

[Robittybob1]

From MG rogatory
'The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'   [This bit is the question being asked.]

The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

IMO the total idea expressed here is that the blood has to be decomposed but it can still come from a live person.

[Lace]

Why is Colin Sutton bemoaning the fact that he wouldn't have been able to interview the McCann's if he had led OG when he thinks that Madeleine has been abducted !!!

[Mr Gray]

From MG rogatory
'The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'   [This bit is the question being asked.]

The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

IMO the total idea expressed here is that the blood has to be decomposed but it can still come from a live person.

Dried blood

[pathfinder73]

Eddie alerted to the key fob contaminated with cellular material later identified as Gerry McCann's, while it was in the hire vehicle ... that the alert was to the key fob was confirmed by removing it from the vehicle whereupon the dog sought it out and alerted again.

Similarly Keela sought the key fob contaminated with cellular material and alerted to it.  What does that tell you?

Keela also alerted in the boot and that is where a body would have been if there was one. The key was not in the boot which suggests a different source.

[Mr Gray]

DNA is in cells, and there is no DNA in red blood cells (RBCs). The body has a way of removing the nucleus from the RBCs.  The lab must have a way of telling if the DNA is from a human.  (I have no knowledge about that).
  When would he have said that? 

we know when he did the searches in August 2007
We know when he wrote his report.
We know when FSS sent their report to the PJ.

Does Martin Grime make any announcements after the results come back?  There is a rogatory interview with MG Dated May 14 2008.

In the rogatory he says "In this case in particular, where the dogs alerted there was confirmation by positive results from the forensic examinations. It is the investigators' responsibility to apply the results of the forensic analysis to the suspects, witnesses and crime scenes."

So that clearly states there was confirmation.

Grimes, statement... August... FSS report July... So grime says the only alerts that can become corroborated are the CSI... A month after the FSS results, were, sent...

He states confirmation... Not corroboration

[G-Unit]

... and it was all a great big zero as far as Amaral's theory was concerned which was proved when no charges were brought against anyone either as a result of the visit of the British dogs or of any evidence collected by the police.

That reality is something which Mark Saunokonoko with his podcasts and other sceptics appear not to be able to accept despite each regurgitation of the salient facts failure to change facts more to their liking.

I don't think it is even academic ... I think it is pointless and vindictive while Madeleine's case is presently under the investigation her parents fought so hard and for so many years to happen.

How on earth has Saunokonoko failed to notice that the real investigators have progressed far beyond the fantasies of a discredited policeman who appeared to be less concerned with finding Madeleine than convicting her mother?

Twelve years ago is historical in investigative terms and all the insinuation and innuendo stemming from constant revisiting cannot alter the fact that there are two very serious investigations being conducted by Scotland Yard and the Judicial police into what actually happened to Madeleine McCann ... neither of which I am almost certain, will be relying either on Saunokonoko podcasts or Amaral's thesis to inform them.

However. This thread exists because Saunokonoko did his podcasts, corresponded with Grime and reported that Grime mentioned that the dog alerts were confirmed, just as he did in his rogatory reply in 2008.

[Erngath]

      Very well said

Indeed!

[Venturi Swirl]

No, that's not my opinion, and nothing I've written suggests that it is, imo. It seems to be a figment of your imagination, not mine.

It was a question, all you had to do was answer in a civil manner. 

[Erngath]

However. This thread exists because Saunokonoko did his podcasts, corresponded with Grime and reported that Grime mentioned that the dog alerts were confirmed, just as he did in his rogatory reply in 2008.

Has he corresponded with anyone who is involved in the two current investigations?

I've not listened to the podcasts.

[Venturi Swirl]

Does it matter? Dog says 'look there', people do it and find evidence, Dog was correct.

Only if the evidence was found to be blood or body parts.