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Offline Lace

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3255 on: May 22, 2019, 12:48:04 PM »
I'm sure you're perfectly well aware that it was DC 1756 Mike Marshall who reported the contents of David Payne's questionnaire.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Gaspar.htm

That doesn't show that David Payne actually said that.   All the evidence in the statements say that David Payne was on the beach at that time.   Also it was the time where Madeleine would have been eating her dinner.

Dianne Webster -  Concerning the day yesterday, she went to the beach with the children, her son-in-law and her daughter. They arrived there at around 3.45pm and left at around 6.15pm to go to the tennis courts where she stayed until 7pm. The informant then went to the apartment with the small children and ten minutes later, her son-in-law, David, joined them. With her son-in-law's help, they bathed the children.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3256 on: May 22, 2019, 12:54:40 PM »
I'm sure you're perfectly well aware that it was DC 1756 Mike Marshall who reported the contents of David Payne's questionnaire.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Gaspar.htm

Monkey says there are two statements by Payne... At the moment we haven't found one... What questionnaire is DC Marshall referring  to

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3257 on: May 22, 2019, 01:03:35 PM »
That doesn't show that David Payne actually said that.   All the evidence in the statements say that David Payne was on the beach at that time.   Also it was the time where Madeleine would have been eating her dinner.

Dianne Webster -  Concerning the day yesterday, she went to the beach with the children, her son-in-law and her daughter. They arrived there at around 3.45pm and left at around 6.15pm to go to the tennis courts where she stayed until 7pm. The informant then went to the apartment with the small children and ten minutes later, her son-in-law, David, joined them. With her son-in-law's help, they bathed the children.

If you wish to disbelieve Marshall that's your prerogative. I wouldn't rely on the Webster statement myself, as she's the only one who said she went to the beach with him. Everyone else says only the women and children went to the beach together.
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #3258 on: May 22, 2019, 01:10:48 PM »
That doesn't show that David Payne actually said that.   All the evidence in the statements say that David Payne was on the beach at that time.   Also it was the time where Madeleine would have been eating her dinner.

Dianne Webster -  Concerning the day yesterday, she went to the beach with the children, her son-in-law and her daughter. They arrived there at around 3.45pm and left at around 6.15pm to go to the tennis courts where she stayed until 7pm. The informant then went to the apartment with the small children and ten minutes later, her son-in-law, David, joined them. With her son-in-law's help, they bathed the children.
Clearly DC Marshall was in error in saying 5:00 PM.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3259 on: May 22, 2019, 01:12:27 PM »
Monkey says there are two statements by Payne... At the moment we haven't found one... What questionnaire is DC Marshall referring  to
The documents produced by the British police were not included in the archived file.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3260 on: May 22, 2019, 01:23:20 PM »
The documents produced by the British police were not included in the archived file.

So we actually don't have any statement by Payne referring to the time.... Neither the rog or his statement to PJ seem to mention the time

Offline Lace

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3261 on: May 22, 2019, 04:03:39 PM »
If you wish to disbelieve Marshall that's your prerogative. I wouldn't rely on the Webster statement myself, as she's the only one who said she went to the beach with him. Everyone else says only the women and children went to the beach together.

All of them went to the beach apart from the McCann's.  The men did water sports,  I think the men left a bit earlier than the women so as to play tennis. 

Offline Lace

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3262 on: May 22, 2019, 04:08:28 PM »
Rachael -  After the game of tennis, the witness returned home to rest, her husband and Russel having gone to the beach of Luz to sail. At about 15:45, her daughter having woken up, she took her to the beach of Luz in the company of Diane, Jane, Fiona and their respective children, where they found Mathew, Russel and David. At 17H30 the children dined in one of restaurants by the beach, not having detected any abnormal or strange situation.

Russell -  We didn’t stick to our usual routine so much that day the children stayed with us and ate their tea at the bar by the beach called the Paridiso.  Everyone was there at the beach except Kate, Gerry and their kids. 

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3263 on: May 22, 2019, 05:52:05 PM »
Rachael -  After the game of tennis, the witness returned home to rest, her husband and Russel having gone to the beach of Luz to sail. At about 15:45, her daughter having woken up, she took her to the beach of Luz in the company of Diane, Jane, Fiona and their respective children, where they found Mathew, Russel and David. At 17H30 the children dined in one of restaurants by the beach, not having detected any abnormal or strange situation.

Russell -  We didn’t stick to our usual routine so much that day the children stayed with us and ate their tea at the bar by the beach called the Paridiso.  Everyone was there at the beach except Kate, Gerry and their kids.

It's a fact that David Payne was at the Paraiso at 17:47 and he left at 18L14. It's also a fact that Marshall, after 'carefully' reading his questionnaire, said he claimed to have seen Madeleine, Gerry and Kate in 5A at 17:00.
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Offline Erngath

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3264 on: May 22, 2019, 06:03:07 PM »
It's a fact that David Payne was at the Paraiso at 17:47 and he left at 18L14. It's also a fact that Marshall, after 'carefully' reading his questionnaire, said he claimed to have seen Madeleine, Gerry and Kate in 5A at 17:00.

Do you have an opinion on the importance of this seeming discrepancy ?
Does this have any bearing on Madeleine's disappearance?

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3265 on: May 22, 2019, 06:05:06 PM »
It's a fact that David Payne was at the Paraiso at 17:47 and he left at 18L14. It's also a fact that Marshall, after 'carefully' reading his questionnaire, said he claimed to have seen Madeleine, Gerry and Kate in 5A at 17:00.

it is not  afact...we dont have Marshalls statement...we only have the portuguese translation....which may have incorrectly translated 7.00 pm as 17.00 hrs...without a first hand account by Marshall you cannot claim anything as a fact

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3266 on: May 22, 2019, 06:07:57 PM »
It's a fact that David Payne was at the Paraiso at 17:47 and he left at 18L14. It's also a fact that Marshall, after 'carefully' reading his questionnaire, said he claimed to have seen Madeleine, Gerry and Kate in 5A at 17:00.
That is why I think there is an error in "Marshall's" analysis (whether by himself or the translator). "he claimed to have seen Madeleine, Gerry and Kate in 5A at 17:00" IMO is wrong.  It appears to be a time attributed to DP Gerry and Kate that doesn't fit into any of their statements as I understand it ATM.

Do you have an opinion on the importance of this seeming discrepancy ?
Does this have any bearing on Madeleine's disappearance?

The order of events is important. 
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Offline Erngath

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3267 on: May 22, 2019, 06:09:18 PM »
it is not  afact...we dont have Marshalls statement...we only have the portuguese translation....which may have incorrectly translated 7.00 pm as 17.00 hrs...without a first hand account by Marshall you cannot claim anything as a fact

But, but it's in the files
No errors or discrepancies or mistranslations could possibly be in the files!!!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3268 on: May 22, 2019, 06:13:31 PM »
We have the translation of the PJ files.  We have photos of the PJ files to compare .  I'd say what is certain is that the timing error is in the file and has not been noted and corrected, which shows to me they were not placing any importance on the DP timeline.  At least not cross checking it closely.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #3269 on: May 22, 2019, 06:16:24 PM »
We have the translation of the PJ files.  We have photos of the PJ files to compare .  I'd say what is certain is that the timing error is in the file and has not been noted and corrected, which shows to me they were not placing any importance on the DP timeline.  At least not cross checking it closely.

I disagree...they well have noted the error....i would think they cannot start altering files....the files were released.....faults and all