Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.

[Robittybob1]

Are you suggesting that OC should have taken some firm action, such as refused to serve them, or perhaps ejected them from their facilities ?

Yes I do.  In fact there was some evidence that something like this did happen.  There were reports of Silvia Batista claiming to have offered the McCann's or was it Tapas 9 free babysitting on that Thursday.  There were hints in various conversations that the block booking was off that day.   There are reports that the other clients were getting annoyed the Tapas 9 had somehow taken the large table every night which stopped others having a large group dining.

[Robittybob1]

I have seen no evidence that Kate told Madeleine where she could find her parents.

That is in Fiona Payne's statement, where she says Kate discussed this with her.  Surely you know that?

[Robittybob1]

Sorry, pure and utter speculation.   

I'm discussing a possible scenario.  If that scenario arose what contingencies were put in place to prevent a disaster happening?

[jassi]

Yes I do.  In fact there was some evidence that something like this did happen.  There were reports of Silvia Batista claiming to have offered the McCann's or was it Tapas 9 free babysitting on that Thursday.  There were hints in various conversations that the block booking was off that day.   There are reports that the other clients were getting annoyed the Tapas 9 had somehow taken the large table every night which stopped others having a large group dining.

All gossip by the sound of it.

[Robittybob1]

The OC would assume, like most sane people, that small children were in the care of an adult.

You haven't been following this debate between Jassi and myself have you.  We both accept that at least one of the staff knew the kids (4 families) were being left alone.
So that makes your statement "The OC would assume, like most sane people, that small children were in the care of an adult" totally in error.

The OC is not a person as such, but if it had a policy on this matter please present it.

All gossip by the sound of it.

I'm afraid not for in Wilkins/O'Donnell statements were the hints of annoyance toward the Tapas 9.
All gossip by the sound of it.

[Robittybob1]

Indeed.  "There were nine sexual assaults in all, three near misses and six incidents where the intruder was disturbed before anything happened."


Does that mean that 6 weren't even near misses? In fact, not even assaults at all ?

"Intruder" still seems bad enough.

[Robittybob1]

When an assistant commissioner to the met police  considers most  newspaper reports are nonsense, they should be regarded as such.

Cite please.  Where does "When an assistant commissioner to the met police  considers most  newspaper reports are nonsense" come from?

[barrier]

Cite please.  Where does "When an assistant commissioner to the met police  considers most  newspaper reports are nonsense" come from?

April 2017.

MR: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8138.30

[Robittybob1]

April 2017.

MR: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.

The fact that Mark Rowley said "odd" ones tells you (all of us I hope) that it isn't most headlines in general but most of the odd ones only.

[G-Unit]

You haven't been following this debate between Jassi and myself have you.  We both accept that at least one of the staff knew the kids (4 families) were being left alone.
So that makes your statement "The OC would assume, like most sane people, that small children were in the care of an adult" totally in error.

The OC is not a person as such, but if it had a policy on this matter please present it.

If the block had burned down and all the children had perished the companies naking up the Ocean Club wouldn't have been prosecuted unless their maintenance or fire precautions were inadequate. The only people legally responsible for the care and safety of those children were their parents.

[Robittybob1]

If the block had burned down and all the children had perished the companies naking up the Ocean Club wouldn't have been prosecuted unless their maintenance or fire precautions were inadequate. The only people legally responsible for the care and safety of those children were their parents.

I'm not a lawyer as such but I'd imagine if it could be proven the OC staff knew the parents were leaving the children in deadlocked buildings so they could dine alone at the OC Tapas Restaurant and that eventuality happened (the block had burned down and all the children had perished) some lawyer would take out a class action against the firm.

[G-Unit]

I'm not a lawyer as such but I'd imagine if it could be proven the OC staff knew the parents were leaving the children in deadlocked buildings so they could dine alone at the OC Tapas Restaurant and that eventuality happened (the block had burned down and all the children had perished) some lawyer would take out a class action against the firm.

I don't think the staff knowing makes the company liable. Even if the sraff reported it, the company could only advise the parents not to do it. They weren't breaking the law as far as I know, all they were doing was being stupid.

I find it ironic actually. The law doesn't make it an offence for parents to leave small children in danger, but it can force parents to allow their young children to be taught subjects in school which the parents believe the children are too young to learn.

[Robittybob1]

I don't think the staff knowing makes the company liable. Even if the sraff reported it, the company could only advise the parents not to do it. They weren't breaking the law as far as I know, all they were doing was being stupid.

I find it ironic actually. The law doesn't make it an offence for parents to leave small children in danger, but it can force parents to allow their young children to be taught subjects in school which the parents believe the children are too young to learn.

I had heard it was unlawful to deadlock someone in a building.  If you lock up a building so there was no escape, that could be illegal.
I don't know about the other topic.

[G-Unit]

I had heard it was unlawful to deadlock someone in a building.  If you lock up a building so there was no escape, that could be illegal.
I don't know about the other topic.

I've not heard of that, but the OC weren't dead locking anyone in anywhere anyway.

Goodnight Rob; bedtime here now.

[Robittybob1]

I've not heard of that, but the OC weren't dead locking anyone in anywhere anyway.

Goodnight Rob; bedtime here now.

Something about a fire code.  I'll see if I can find it.

Wikipedia has the general idea right:
"In the event of a fire, occupants will be prevented from escaping through double-cylinder locked doors unless the correct key is used. ... The risk can be mitigated by locking the deadlock only when there are no occupants inside the building, or leaving the key near the keyhole.