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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4110 on: June 10, 2019, 04:40:32 PM »

Why only the T9 + Jez? What about all the other people around there that evening?

What's materially impossible?

Yes, interesting isn't it? they are all each others witneses. Jez being the exceptionas an INDEPENDANT witness. chatted for a few minutes. never saw Jane or an abductor.Or heard windows being jemmied. Or noticed gushing winds

So let us look at the opportunity the gang,person, whoever... 'jimmy abductor'. what are the Mcanns and their die hard supporters offering us?

the apartment is being watched by staff  or others who read the childs crache  notes and saw the kids being left alone- they used a key- after jemmying the shutters, which in this one off case didn't make any noise at all- just as well as they could have woke the children, but then the children were very fast asleep owing to the fact jimmy drugged em all,  (at this point I am thinking they used the key to get in and drugg- then forgot to tell other kidnappers to use the door)Tks. So anyway, jimmy almost being cought out by moving the door- hid in the house as Gerry was doing...  as Gerry and jez were chatting jimmy thought he should use this opperchancity to climb out the window with MBM in tow. leave her on the ground go back into the apartment clean it up a bit and wipe all dna away.

Yeah, I suppose it could have happened,that way and in that time frame, but then I loved the peter pan story.. kids flying out of windows in their jammies...
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Online Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4111 on: June 10, 2019, 04:45:32 PM »
Yes, interesting isn't it? they are all each others witneses. Jez being the exceptionas an INDEPENDANT witness. chatted for a few minutes. never saw Jane or an abductor.Or heard windows being jemmied. Or noticed gushing winds

So let us look at the opportunity the gang,person, whoever... 'jimmy abductor'. what are the Mcanns and their die hard supporters offering us?

the apartment is being watched by staff  or others who read the childs crache  notes and saw the kids being left alone- they used a key- after jemmying the shutters, which in this one off case didn't make any noise at all- just as well as they could have woke the children, but then the children were very fast asleep owing to the fact jimmy drugged em all,  (at this point I am thinking they used the key to get in and drugg- then forgot to tell other kidnappers to use the door)Tks. So anyway, jimmy almost being cought out by moving the door- hid in the house as Gerry was doing...  as Gerry and jez were chatting jimmy thought he should use this opperchancity to climb out the window with MBM in tow. leave her on the ground go back into the apartment clean it up a bit and wipe all dna away.

Yeah, I suppose it could have happened,that way and in that time frame, but then I loved the peter pan story.. kids flying out of windows in their jammies...

Such a pity that no one of importance is taking any notice.  But then they are much too busy looking for an abductor.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4112 on: June 10, 2019, 04:55:33 PM »
Such a pity that no one of importance is taking any notice.  But then they are much too busy looking for an abductor.

Yes it is indeed a pity they are still  looking for an abductor. all over the world they travel and yet...
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Online Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4113 on: June 10, 2019, 05:04:18 PM »
Yes it is indeed a pity they are still  looking for an abductor. all over the world they travel and yet...
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4114 on: June 10, 2019, 05:51:47 PM »
Yes, interesting isn't it? ....snip ....

Yeah, I suppose it could have happened,that way and in that time frame, but then I loved the peter pan story.. kids flying out of windows in their jammies...
I just love it!
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4115 on: June 10, 2019, 06:03:27 PM »
Had they and their reconstruction-shy friends cooperated fully with the original investigation then they could very well have been excluded as persons of interest. But as another poster has already pointed out, the moment the police took an interest in the tapas group was the moment they all put up the walls. I have often wondered what a full reconstruction would have uncovered.
Nothing at all.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4116 on: June 10, 2019, 07:19:51 PM »
Yes, interesting isn't it? they are all each others witneses. Jez being the exceptionas an INDEPENDANT witness. chatted for a few minutes. never saw Jane or an abductor.Or heard windows being jemmied. Or noticed gushing winds

So let us look at the opportunity the gang,person, whoever... 'jimmy abductor'. what are the Mcanns and their die hard supporters offering us?

the apartment is being watched by staff  or others who read the childs crache  notes and saw the kids being left alone- they used a key- after jemmying the shutters, which in this one off case didn't make any noise at all- just as well as they could have woke the children, but then the children were very fast asleep owing to the fact jimmy drugged em all,  (at this point I am thinking they used the key to get in and drugg- then forgot to tell other kidnappers to use the door)Tks. So anyway, jimmy almost being cought out by moving the door- hid in the house as Gerry was doing...  as Gerry and jez were chatting jimmy thought he should use this opperchancity to climb out the window with MBM in tow. leave her on the ground go back into the apartment clean it up a bit and wipe all dna away.

Yeah, I suppose it could have happened,that way and in that time frame, but then I loved the peter pan story.. kids flying out of windows in their jammies...

Jez was walking that area but the direction he came from before meeting Gerry meant the other side would be safer if any removal of Madeleine happened just before that meeting. You certainly wouldn't do a Tannerman and cross the same road they used to check. You go away from danger which was in the opposite direction towards the wasteland i.e. Smithman sighting side.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4117 on: June 10, 2019, 07:31:42 PM »
Don’t you think it would have established if it was possible for Jane to have walked past Jez and Gerry on the same side of the street without either of them seeing her, at the very least? Or have you already established that in your own mind?
Where would the police have placed all the protagonists? 
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4118 on: June 10, 2019, 08:02:53 PM »
On the pavement near to the side gate as Jane and Jez said. Gerry crossing the road to the non-tapas side makes no sense when Jez had to cross to get back to his apartment lol.

p.s. Gerry put himself in a position with his back to Jane so he couldn't see her.  Jez would have been towering over him with him still on the road *%87
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4119 on: June 10, 2019, 08:26:28 PM »
Where would the police have placed all the protagonists?

At the very least it would have been interesting to see Jez Wilkins trying to decide whether to go into the Tapas Restaurant, the Tapas Bar or the toilet. I don't know where the toilet was, and Jez wasn't very clear. It was either in the var, near the bar or in the pool area.
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https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

In my opinion he went into the restaurant between 8:30 and 9:00 because that's what he told the PJ on 4th May when events were fresh in his mind.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4120 on: June 10, 2019, 08:47:42 PM »
As has been pointed out dozens of times before the reconstitution would have proven nothing as it would have been impossible to mesh all the various recollections into one timeline, and any attempt to do so would have been pure guesswork, not an exact representation of that evening’s events.  It’s only purpose was to try and catch out the members of the McCann party, it could not have helped to determine any other scenario.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4121 on: June 10, 2019, 09:34:30 PM »
As has been pointed out dozens of times before the reconstitution would have proven nothing as it would have been impossible to mesh all the various recollections into one timeline, and any attempt to do so would have been pure guesswork, not an exact representation of that evening’s events.  It’s only purpose was to try and catch out the members of the McCann party, it could not have helped to determine any other scenario.


It has also been pointed out dozens of times that a reconstruction would flagg up many annomolies.

Let us begin at the begining- putting the children to bed -we could use dolls. look at the door position  and the time-was Maddie under the covers as it was cold or on top of the covers where dad left her?

 at what time did they leave the apartment and what device did they use to check this time? (no one has watches or clocks) SO from that we can deduce  they did not know for certain what times they then left the table to do checking?
 They claimed every half hour- it would be intersting to see what device they used to clock watch with this very precarious schedule they claimed to have.

Bring in 'Jimmy the abductor'- where in this time frame would he be jemmying the shutters very very quietly so as not to wake the kids, grab MBM and get out carrying her according to JT .

The time line would show- HOW MANY MINUTES PASSED?
Gerry in the apartment watching his daughter proudly> he leaves> chats with JEZ for a few moments> along pops  JT seeing the abductor- just after Gerry left the apartment. in fact Gerry would have been in the street as the abductor was..erm   abducting?
So in essence what I am saying is this  IF gerry was in the apartment and no shutters were jemmied and MBM was where he left her how many minutes did it take for the abductor to get in and out with MBM  via a window?
A reconstructiotn would certainly show this up.


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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4122 on: June 10, 2019, 09:48:14 PM »

It has also been pointed out dozens of times that a reconstruction would flagg up many annomolies.

Let us begin at the begining- putting the children to bed -we could use dolls. look at the door position  and the time-was Maddie under the covers as it was cold or on top of the covers where dad left her?

 at what time did they leave the apartment and what device did they use to check this time? (no one has watches or clocks) SO from that we can deduce  they did not know for certain what times they then left the table to do checking?
 They claimed every half hour- it would be intersting to see what device they used to clock watch with this very precarious schedule they claimed to have.

Bring in 'Jimmy the abductor'- where in this time frame would he be jemmying the shutters very very quietly so as not to wake the kids, grab MBM and get out carrying her according to JT .

The time line would show- HOW MANY MINUTES PASSED?
Gerry in the apartment watching his daughter proudly> he leaves> chats with JEZ for a few moments> along pops  JT seeing the abductor- just after Gerry left the apartment. in fact Gerry would have been in the street as the abductor was..erm   abducting?
So in essence what I am saying is this  IF gerry was in the apartment and no shutters were jemmied and MBM was where he left her how many minutes did it take for the abductor to get in and out with MBM  via a window?
A reconstructiotn would certainly show this up.
Was the reconstitution going to include an abduction then?
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4123 on: June 10, 2019, 10:03:27 PM »
Was the reconstitution going to include an abduction then?

That is what the resonstitution would have shown= when was this to have taken place exactly.  With gusts of wind and doors moving jemmied shutters being 'evidence' of an abductor it would have had to have happened when Gerry was in the apartment or had just left and was standing just outside as Jane walked past... AND would Jane not have noticed the shutters being open?

So, we need a reconstitution to see when this 'abductor' got in and out.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4124 on: June 10, 2019, 10:16:08 PM »
That is what the resonstitution would have shown= when was this to have taken place exactly.  With gusts of wind and doors moving jemmied shutters being 'evidence' of an abductor it would have had to have happened when Gerry was in the apartment or had just left and was standing just outside as Jane walked past... AND would Jane not have noticed the shutters being open?

So, we need a reconstitution to see when this 'abductor' got in and out.
No we don’t, the Met have already established it.
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