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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #315 on: June 16, 2019, 08:35:28 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on June 16, 2019, 08:24:20 AM
According to Gerry McCann, Gail Cooper "provided a witness statement whivh was given to Newark (UK) police towards the end of May 2007".

Step one; Gail Cooper provided a witness statement.
Srep two; it was given to the Newark police.
Not necessarily a two step procedure, that is your interpretation of the semantics.  Perhaps if he’d said “Gail Cooper provided us with a witness statement which we gave to Newark police” you might be on to something. 
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Offline jassi

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #316 on: June 16, 2019, 09:02:14 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2019, 08:35:28 AM
Not necessarily a two step procedure, that is your interpretation of the semantics.  Perhaps if he’d said “Gail Cooper provided us with a witness statement which we gave to Newark police” you might be on to something.

But that's not what Gerry  said.

G-UNI't interpretation is correct - IMO

Cooper gave a statement to someone unspecified.
It was handed to Newark police in late May
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #317 on: June 16, 2019, 09:16:22 AM »
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2019, 09:02:14 AM
But that's not what Gerry  said.

G-UNI't interpretation is correct - IMO

Cooper gave a statement to someone unspecified.
It was handed to Newark police in late May
That’s one interpretation.  The other is she gave a statement - which was given to Newark police. 
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Offline Brietta

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #318 on: June 16, 2019, 09:17:30 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on June 16, 2019, 08:24:20 AM
According to Gerry McCann, Gail Cooper "provided a witness statement whivh was given to Newark (UK) police towards the end of May 2007".

Step one; Gail Cooper provided a witness statement.
Srep two; it was given to the Newark police.

You have posted a direct quote ... please provide the source.  Thank you.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #319 on: June 16, 2019, 09:19:33 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2019, 08:35:28 AM
Not necessarily a two step procedure, that is your interpretation of the semantics.  Perhaps if he’d said “Gail Cooper provided us with a witness statement which we gave to Newark police” you might be on to something.

If he had said Gail Cooper's statement was taken by Newark police  it would have made more sense imo. There was no need to separate the two things. Once again it clearly wasn't a bona fide police statement.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #320 on: June 16, 2019, 09:21:41 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on June 16, 2019, 09:19:33 AM
If he had said Gail Cooper's statement was taken by Newark police  it would have made more sense imo. There was no need to separate the two things. Once again it clearly wasn't a bona fide police statement.
Well perhaps Gerry is guilty of not speaking precisely.  Do please provide the cite for his words won’t you?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #321 on: June 16, 2019, 10:00:40 AM »
Quote from: Brietta on June 16, 2019, 09:17:30 AM
You have posted a direct quote ... please provide the source.  Thank you.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POWERPOINT.htm

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Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #322 on: June 16, 2019, 10:06:13 AM »
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #323 on: June 16, 2019, 10:24:08 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
Where specificslly in your link is Gerry quoted?

Within his powerpoint presentation.

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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #324 on: June 16, 2019, 10:41:05 AM »
Thank you.  Do you not agree that the sentence can be read two ways?

 If the police accepted a witness statement without question,  without going over it with the witness and without getting them to sign it then they are guilty of negligence or malpractice.  Perhaps you should raise an FOI to get clarity on this issue and maybe further action against the police will follow?
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #325 on: June 16, 2019, 11:11:07 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2019, 10:41:05 AM
Thank you.  Do you not agree that the sentence can be read two ways?

 If the police accepted a witness statement without question,  without going over it with the witness and without getting them to sign it then they are guilty of negligence or malpractice.  Perhaps you should raise an FOI to get clarity on this issue and maybe further action against the police will follow?

If you consider them guilty of negligence or malpractice, perhaps you should take your own advice.
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Offline jassi

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #326 on: June 16, 2019, 11:24:09 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2019, 10:41:05 AM
Thank you.  Do you not agree that the sentence can be read two ways?

 If the police accepted a witness statement without question,  without going over it with the witness and without getting them to sign it then they are guilty of negligence or malpractice.  Perhaps you should raise an FOI to get clarity on this issue and maybe further action against the police will follow?

I don't see that argyment at all.
UK police were not doing any investigation of their own but merely acting as a conduit to the PJ and passing on a statement ( possibly the one given to Kennedy) to the investigating authority.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #327 on: June 16, 2019, 12:52:53 PM »
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #328 on: June 16, 2019, 01:17:21 PM »
Quote from: ShiningInLuz on June 16, 2019, 11:11:07 AM
If you consider them guilty of negligence or malpractice, perhaps you should take your own advice.
I don't, it's G-Unit that has made an issue of it.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #329 on: June 16, 2019, 01:18:56 PM »
Quote from: jassi on June 16, 2019, 11:24:09 AM
I don't see that argyment at all.
UK police were not doing any investigation of their own but merely acting as a conduit to the PJ and passing on a statement ( possibly the one given to Kennedy) to the investigating authority.
Right, so they were just acting like a postal service.  I see. 
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