Again Nine surely VT had to plea to something everyone who is being tried has put in a guilty or not guilty plea, unless I'm missing something.
An extremely interesting point Nina.... And something I had not considered, because I had just assumed that everybody who attends court enters a plea... I had never really considered the fact that someone may still be silent and not enter a plea whatsoever...
So what happens when a defendant doesn't enter a plea ??
Normally apparently... The Judge will enter a 'Not Guilty Plea" on their behalf... But I cannot find anywhere online where the judge enters a "Guilty" plea.... That doesn't mean that it can't happen... (i Believe).. So.... did the words "Guilty ever actually come out of the mouth of Dr Vincent Tabak ???
OMG... Just had a thought.... I presume Court 2 is a closed court .... It's a very special court remember... A court Room that the likes of Dr Vincent Tabak should not have attended .... For what really is a "Simple Murder Case !!
Ok... lets go with that.... Dr Vincent tabak has up until he attends The Old Bailey at Court Room 2 professed his Innocence... Then when we get To The Old Bailey Court Room 2... With such surprise to everyone following this case.... Out of the blue he pleads "Guilty To Manslaughter..... "WHY".... with No deal in place... (which I'll come back too)...
Like all of tis case "THAT" makes no sense .... (IMO)....
So "WHO" actually entered Dr Vincent Tabak's "Guilty To Manslaughter Plea "????? leonora has always gone with it must have been an imposter who made the plea.... A theory that I have never been in support of... (No disrespect leonora)... But with not ever thinking about whether or not Dr Vincent Tabak actually spoke the words himself... "Guilty To Manslaughter"... until you asked Nina... I am now considering the alternative....
So... highly unlikely to be an imposter.... But legally possible for someone else to actually enter the plea for him.... I do not believe that reporetrs were actually in Court Room 2 at the time of Dr Vincent tabak's appearance, with it being a "High" Security Court Room"...
So in Answer to your question... It is possible that Dr Vincent Tabak didn't enter a "Guilty" plea.... I like to look at "How"... How this was possible... But firstly we need to remind ourselves of what has taken place thus far....
* You have "The Head Of The Complex Case Unit at The Helm"... Following and Prosecuting this simple "Murder"
trial to the bitter end...
* A Change Of Venue for this Particular case.. A Hearing at The Old Bailey
* Two different types of hearing listed in the Crime Serve website
* A For Mention Hearing at Court room 2
* A Plea and management Case Hearing at Court room 1... (Check pg 12 on this thread)
* A Foreign National with NO Interpreter
* The use of Court Room 2 at The Old Bailey... A court Room where Terrorism and such cases are heard... An
extremely secure court room indeed...
* A Defence Team... Burying Their Client
* A Prosecution Team with NO Evidence
* No Defence witness's
* No Good Character Witness's
* Too many written statements , read out in court..
* A prison Officer assuming The role of Chaplain
* Searches That were never in Dutch
* Searches that didn't belong to Dr Vincent Tabak..
* 3 Different prisons he was incarcerated in within 48 hours....
* A Prisoner No One Can Locate.....
* The Complex Crime Units Use of "LOR"'s (Letter of Request From a Foreign Nation) To be able to Interview Dr
Vincent tabak in Holland
* And A Placid Dutchman.. Sobbing in Court... Never admitting his "GUILT"...(IMO)..
This case has been strange enough... So Yes Nina.. It is possible for him to "Not To Plead"..... And for someone else to enter his plea.... It May be unusual... But it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE.... And that also would answer leonora's question or should I say theory of an imposter taking Dr Vincent Tabak's place...
So with the irregularities in This Case all ready... And The Highly secure court room that this hearing took place at... I wouldn't be surprised if someone did enter Dr Vincent Tabak's plea for him....
I'll quote from one of my posts...
The defence shall apply to the court for the case to be listed for mention if they are unable to obtain instructions from the defendant. If the defendant fails to attend court, the judge will wish to consider whether a warrant of arrest should be issued.
Here the defence basically have "NO" Instruction from the Defendant.. that would be why it one of the listing at The Old Bailey was listed as 'For Mention"..
But The other listing on the same day at the same time is a 'Plea and management Case hearing"... where obviously some "PERSON"... managed to get the case listed twice... which allowed for the "PLEA" to be entered ....
So if they... who ever "they "May be .... Can list a Case as
(A): For Mention
(B): Plea and Management Case Hearing
At The same time on the same day at two different court Rooms at "The Old Bailey".... Then Nina.... How hard is it to imagine that the very same people actually entered Dr Vincent Tabak's plea for him... Seeing as This Placid Dutchman had kept quite ALL This Time.... And I presume that there is NO Video Evidence of Dr Vincent Tabak entering his plea....
This case is extremely unusual.... In every aspect... from start to finish.... And really Nina... I think a different question really needs to be asked now....
As I have always believed that Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent of this Crime....And obviously someone else is 'GUILTY"/// Then the real question is.... "Why go to such great lengths to put this PLACID DUTCHMAN away for life for a crime he did not commit... And the only logical conclusion I can come up with is that 'The Real Killer' Is being protected... Which means the questions you need to ask yourselves is "WHO" and WHY ???Why did "The Placid Dutchman" become collateral damage to save someone else's skin???? As this extremely weird case seems to suggest...
I would like to see an INQUIRY Into Dr Vincent Tabak's incarceration, Trial and Conviction... I would like to cry tears of joy rather than frustration for a "Foreign National" who had hope and dreams when he came to this country of ours.... A Foreign Nation people have gone to extraordinary lengths to convict with "NO" evidence.... A Foreign National that everyone in our country was happy to see banged up... A Foreign National I have spent a long time trying to prove his Innocence... A Foreign National that is Impossible to Locate via "The Prisoner Relocation Service... A Foreign National who has been Silent for too many Years ... A Foreign National who hasn't got a voice...
And mostly to show this "Placid Foreign National" that people in our country still believe in truth and justice and fairness... And even if he is NOT allowed to speak for himself.... I and other people like me, will do our best to bring to everyones attention, the appauling treatment of this 'Placid Foreign National".. Who had everything going for him... Not only that... The Yeates family deserve to know the truth, and really, I don't envy the person who needs to explain to them, what was done...
So yes Nina... you question is perfect... but I must admit at first I nearly dismissed it, thinking you were pulling my leg...