Author Topic: Goncalo Amaral.  (Read 212837 times)

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Offline The General

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4155 on: January 21, 2022, 10:36:30 AM »
nope...it all fits in with my conclusions. Eddie located the remains of attracta harron...thats the only VICTIM....the VICTIM recovery dog found in 5 years. By any standards thats patheteic. So Harrison and Grime came up with the idea of using just the alerts as intelligence..Grime decided he could make a lucrtaive business out of it...not opinion..fact...all documented
Eddie did better than that. He located the makeshift grave where she was temporarily moved to.
He also alerted to the car mat - the car that was torched.
He also paved the way for your weak protestations to be rendered meaningless, simply by being a good boi.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4156 on: January 21, 2022, 10:47:19 AM »
Eddie did better than that. He located the makeshift grave where she was temporarily moved to.
He also alerted to the car mat - the car that was torched.
He also paved the way for your weak protestations to be rendered meaningless, simply by being a good boi.

You arent really understanding the alerts and their significance. The only reliable cadaver dog is one trained solely on human remains...do you know where taht comes from. Your ignorance is overwhelming. I notice you cannot counter any of the facts i posted. If Eddie is reliable maddies body was in the car...case solved

Online Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4157 on: January 21, 2022, 10:54:02 AM »
You arent really understanding the alerts and their significance. The only reliable cadaver dog is one trained solely on human remains...do you know where taht comes from. Your ignorance is overwhelming. I notice you cannot counter any of the facts i posted. If Eddie is reliable maddies body was in the car...case solved

We have all known about Eddie for a very long time.  Not Eddie's fault.  Martin Grime tried to teach Eddie too many new tricks.  This was disingenuous to say the very least and made the alerts meaningless.

Offline The General

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4158 on: January 21, 2022, 10:59:35 AM »
You arent really understanding the alerts and their significance. The only reliable cadaver dog is one trained solely on human remains...do you know where taht comes from. Your ignorance is overwhelming. I notice you cannot counter any of the facts i posted. If Eddie is reliable maddies body was in the car...case solved


So it's a coincidence that he alerted to the confirmed makeshift grave? Or the makeshift grave also contained vestiges of piglet cadaverine?
What's the chances.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4159 on: January 21, 2022, 11:34:34 AM »

So it's a coincidence that he alerted to the confirmed makeshift grave? Or the makeshift grave also contained vestiges of piglet cadaverine?
What's the chances.

You don't understand.. If there's a body hw will find it.. He's a victim recovery dog. That doesn't mean every time he barks cadaver odour is present

Offline The General

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4160 on: January 24, 2022, 07:11:11 AM »
You don't understand.. If there's a body hw will find it.. He's a victim recovery dog. That doesn't mean every time he barks cadaver odour is present
No, you clearly don't understand, or are being deliberately obtuse - no, it's definitely the former; in the example I provided, over and above the three you keep on a constant loop, he didn't find the body, he found where the body had been briefly secreted.
Jenga!
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4161 on: January 24, 2022, 08:52:27 AM »
No, you clearly don't understand, or are being deliberately obtuse - no, it's definitely the former; in the example I provided, over and above the three you keep on a constant loop, he didn't find the body, he found where the body had been briefly secreted.
Jenga!

He had found one body in 5 years. Fact
Thats why Grime thought he needed another job.. Opinion

Online Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4162 on: January 24, 2022, 08:55:42 AM »

Poor Eddie.  The subject of human failings.  Although I don't suppose he knew.

Offline barrier

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4163 on: January 24, 2022, 09:08:55 AM »
Poor Eddie.  The subject of human failings.  Although I don't suppose he knew.

Poor Madeleine, still being subjected to human failings.


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Online Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4164 on: January 24, 2022, 09:16:53 AM »
Poor Madeleine, still being subjected to human failings.

Ah, but those of whom?

Offline The General

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4165 on: January 24, 2022, 09:21:53 AM »
Ah, but those of whom?
Kate and Gerry.
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Offline barrier

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4166 on: January 24, 2022, 10:28:34 AM »
Ah, but those of whom?


Starter for 10.


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Offline Carana

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4167 on: January 27, 2022, 03:39:36 PM »
You don't understand.. If there's a body hw will find it.. He's a victim recovery dog. That doesn't mean every time he barks cadaver odour is present

There COULD have been elements of "cadaver" odour present, but there are hundreds of components (many of which, in small combinations, may trigger a totally irrelevant alert ). The odour of decomposiiton is everywhere, although unless in work mode, he wouldn't necessarily have been attentive. Smelly socks, bad breath, babies' nappies... were any of those possibilites ever ruled out? True for him, but totally irrelevant to the investigation.

And I still find it incredible that nearly 15 years later the Dogwin* principle still applies.

*Apologies to Godwin.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4168 on: January 27, 2022, 04:42:14 PM »
There COULD have been elements of "cadaver" odour present, but there are hundreds of components (many of which, in small combinations, may trigger a totally irrelevant alert ). The odour of decomposiiton is everywhere, although unless in work mode, he wouldn't necessarily have been attentive. Smelly socks, bad breath, babies' nappies... were any of those possibilites ever ruled out? True for him, but totally irrelevant to the investigation.

And I still find it incredible that nearly 15 years later the Dogwin* principle still applies.

*Apologies to Godwin.

The point is that by using the word cadaver odour it's natural for people to.. Believe... Grime is referring to the odour FROM a dead body... Not smelly socks. That's a point I think Grime should have explained more clearly, but that would not have helped his business plans.
Then we have the fact the dogs only alerted to things mccann. That's why I say Grime has a lot of explaining to do if it's shown maddie did not die in the apartment
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Offline Brietta

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4169 on: January 27, 2022, 04:57:29 PM »
There COULD have been elements of "cadaver" odour present, but there are hundreds of components (many of which, in small combinations, may trigger a totally irrelevant alert ). The odour of decomposiiton is everywhere, although unless in work mode, he wouldn't necessarily have been attentive. Smelly socks, bad breath, babies' nappies... were any of those possibilites ever ruled out? True for him, but totally irrelevant to the investigation.

And I still find it incredible that nearly 15 years later the Dogwin* principle still applies.

*Apologies to Godwin.

We watched the dog prior to his entry to the apartment as he pulled his handler along the outside pathway behind the wall..

He did not sit and wait to be told when he had clocked on for the start of his shift and was in work mode.   He was far too excited to do that.  He was right in there.  A cadaver dog who couldn't differentiate between when he was on the job and when he wasn't.

Something set Eddie off before he had even entered the apartment - that was obvious.  Fifteen years later there are still numpties around who haven't thought about the implications of that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....