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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #105 on: November 15, 2016, 01:14:15 AM »
If you searched the two words were "Miss Yeates"
Then you add the word "Murdered"

Then search "Murdered Miss yeates" you have two different answers

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #106 on: November 15, 2016, 11:26:51 AM »
From what I have read, the fact that Joanna had 43 injuries led people to believe VT intended her harm.  However, we do not know when or how all these injuries were sustained. If they needed fire equipment and a crane to retrieve her body, some of the injuries would have been sustained then, also some might have resulted from being exposed to the snow---we just dont know.  She DID have a lot of bruises though, which can only be sustained when someone is alive, so it was obviously a violent attack on her-----it's just that I think someone other than VT did it!!  So, yes, I think it was murder----but not because of "sex" and not by VT.

Also, people don't generally believe that it is possible to strangle someone by accident, although, as I said before, I know a very decent man who disagrees with this !!!!

Also, it was thought that VT lied in court.  He said that he wanted to kiss Jo, but denied that this was sexual.  Well, I wouldn't have believed that one either!!  However, most people think VT lied in court because he wanted to make himself look less bad than he actually was.  I would say that he lied in court because he was told what to say in the first place.

He needed to keep his girlfriend onside, of course he was going to deny it was sexual.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2016, 01:51:35 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2016, 12:03:13 PM »
If the evidence they have presented in court doesn't stand up to scrutiny and nobody objected at the trail of Vincent Tabak, because for what ever reason he made a plea to manslaughter.

His Solicitor could have Objected on many issues but didnt, because they only had to try prove it was manslaughter and not murder.

But if all the so called evidence had been scrutinised in the first place, the ridculous evidence of Vincent Tabaks internet searches would have been thrown out.

With this forum being about Miscarriages of Justice, it gives a platform for people who have misgivings on convictions..

And the more information i read from the trial and how it was used, the more i am worried about it.

Who is going to put the evidence throught the ringer? For most people they are satisfied that Vincent Tabak is locked up, But what if he's not the real perpetrator? I don't believe he is.. And that in itself is a hard thing to say when your aware the majority of the public believe in his guilt.


The prosecution made much of Tabaks Internet searches, which they used to bolster their case.

I find that some of these searches don't make any sense.. For instance..

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

This link has some trial transcript:

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On 23 Dec 2010 at 4.00 pm
Tabak searched the Dutch Wikipedia for the words
‘extradition’
‘Yeates’
‘missing persons’
‘% of grey cars in UK’
‘Renault Megan cars in UK’

why would he search a dutch wiki for this when the dutch wiki wouldnt have the information?

Take the % of grey cars...

https://translate.google.co.uk/#nl/en/%25%20Van%20de%20grijze%20auto's%20in%20het%20Verenigd%20Koninkrijk

Now if you put that into the dutch wiki you get :

https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:Zoeken&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=%25+Van+de+grijze+auto%27s+in+het+Verenigd+Koninkrijk&searchToken=76r9hzzultimrab2igr01du7m

There isn't an entry, why would there be? It's useless information to the Dutch wiki

Again put the word Yeates in the Dutch wiki and you get this:

https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=yeates&title=Speciaal:Zoeken&go=Artikel&searchToken=ekugxqqdlqri4akdovwrcfq54

So how can they say that he was searching for related information to the case on the dutch wiki when realistically the dutch wiki would be useless just as the english wiki, it just writes information, it has sourced from news papers mainly and tv news.

So he might as well have just looked at the news!!

If i can find holes in a couple of examples, why on earth didn't his Lawyer object..!!

Because for starters as regards the Searches, they were only given the timeline document of 1300 page on the day of trail..

He would not have time to go through all the so called relevant searches and other timeline information.

The timeline chart consisted of 566 events, how on earth would a Lawyer have the time to scrutinise the prosecutions evidence?? They had a day!!

Iv'e spent more than a day looking at a few timeline..

How is the defence going to check whether it is possible to even search the dutch wiki for the supposed searches?


https://translate.google.co.uk/#en/nl/extradition

https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:Zoeken&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=uitlevering&searchToken=1z737ea7a123nljokk36r47vn 

did they follow that up with him clicking on the word extradition??

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"The Netherlands also usually seeks to request that a national accused of crimes committed abroad is tried, or serves a sentence, in the Netherlands," she says.

So why isn't he spending time in a Dutch prison??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23029814

In Fact I think it would have been better for Vincent Tabak if he was in Holland and they had to extradite him:

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Article 16, paragraph 4 of the European Convention on
Extradition states that provisional arrest can be terminated
somewhere between 18 days and 40 days if the original
request for extradition and accompanying documents are
not received by the requested state.
Following Dutch legislation, provisional arrest can last no
longer than 20 days without the receipt of the original
request for extradition and accompanying documents. If
the original request for extradition and accompanying
documents (a fax version is not sufficient) are not received
within 20 days after a Dutch judge has ordered the
provisional arrest, this provisional arrest must be
terminated. Only after the original request for extradition
and accompanying documents are received can the
requested person be arrested for extradition again.



http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/pc-oc/Country_information1_en_files/NL%20Extradition.pdf

They would have then had to prove to a Dutch judge that the evidence that they had on him was sound, and personally I'm not sure the Dutch Judge would have agreed.


Ive added this since posting:

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Concerning extradition of Dutch nationals the following is
of importance. Article 6 of the European Convention on
Extradition allows states the possibility to deny extradition
of its own nationals. The Dutch declaration to this article
states that the Netherlands can only permit the extradition
of Dutch nationals for purposes of prosecution if the
requesting State provides a guarantee that the person
claimed may be returned to the Netherlands to serve his
sentence there if, following his extradition, a custodial
sentence other than a suspended sentence or a measure
depriving him of his liberty is imposed upon him.

So I cant see Tabak actually leaving holland if he committed the crime.. He was guarented under the extradition Treaty to at least spend his SENTENCE In Holland. If not they wouldn't possibly have extradited him...

If this was supposed to be an extremely calculating man. He would have STAYED

But I now understand why he wasn't given bail originally, when they didn'nt have any real evidence!!!


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #108 on: November 15, 2016, 12:19:08 PM »
He needed to keep his girlfriend onside, of course he was going to deny it was sexual.

Ok.. he's got porn on his computer.. possibly he didnt want her to know...

But.... If he was into Sado Masochisim, surely they would have wanted Tanja Morson on the witness stand to say about Tabaks, sexual demands!!!

That would have bolstered there case....

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #109 on: November 15, 2016, 12:44:37 PM »
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So I cant see Tabak actually leaving holland if he committed the crime.. He was guarented under the extradition Treaty to at least spend his SENTENCE In Holland. If not they wouldn't possibly have extradited him...

If this was supposed to be an extremely calculating man. He would have STAYED

But I now understand why he wasn't given bail originally, when they didn'nt have any real evidence!!!

By taking a DNA sample from him in Holland and as eveyone says .. he knew he was scuppered then..

If his DNA was on Joanna.. it should have been all over joanna..

Then surely he'd have stayed in Holland, knowing it was only a matter of time before they matched him!!!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #110 on: November 15, 2016, 12:51:01 PM »
I believe VT had previously had porn on his computer, and he had admitted this to Tanja.  When they moved in together, he told her he had deleted it.

So, yes, he must have lied to her, and he obviously wouldn't have wanted her to know the police had found porn.  However, I understand from speaking to people that many men watch porn on their computers, and this does not make them in any way deviant:  some of them are merely doing it behind their partners' backs.  Same with using escorts. Not the most edifying of things to do, to my mind, but it isn't criminal!!

I suspect that, by the time VT went to trial, Tanja was already "not on side", as she fled to New Zealand, I believe! If she objected to porn, she certainly would have objected to "kinky" and masochistic sex, so I assume Vincent can't have tried anything like this while they were together.

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #111 on: November 15, 2016, 12:57:49 PM »
I go with the Polices original theory that the Perpetator/perpetrors knew Joanna Yeates.

I have questions about her Mobile phone?

What sort of mobile phone did Joanna Yeates own??? (possibly a smartphone.. i don't know)..

Lots of information to do with this phone is unknown.

If its a smartphone, does it have apps running in the background?

Did she trawl the internet on it on an average day?

Did she check facebook on it? Reply on facebook on it?

Did she do twitter on it? (reading latest tweets?)

Did she take photo's? view photos?

Listen to music on it?

We know she texted on it, We know she rang on it on the day of the 17th Dec 2010

We don't know how many texts she made that day or how many phone calls she made that day, we only know some of that information.

Was she constantly recieving Alerts?

So i wondered when she last charged her phone?

Smartphones are notorious for losing battery fast.. there a pain in the..!!

I know they're alot of factors regarding battery life, but it puzzled me how the phone had life in it at 9.00pm on Sunday 19th 2010

It could still have had, i'd be suprised.




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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #112 on: November 15, 2016, 12:58:42 PM »
I suspect they wont extradite him because they are afraid that if he is back home, he might start talking!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #113 on: November 15, 2016, 01:15:29 PM »
If Vincent Tabak  was sent to a Dutch Prison after the murder trail was over. He would have never been extradited again to face Trail on the Porn charges.

Can you imagine the expense of extraditing him?

Are the images in a Dutch court classified as child porn??

They got this evidence from over 4 computers Vincnet Tabak had access to... and an EXTERNAL hardrive that anyone could put things onto...

They needed these charges to stick, so the British Public can sleep comfortably at night knowing That Evil man is behind bars and he's not getting out!!

The have vilified him like they did with Chris Jefferies.

The Child Porn Conviction is pointless.. (with regards to this conviction )He's on a register, that will probably finish before he leaves prison. As far as I'm aware they don't have a Sex Offenders Register in Holland. And He got 10 month...



So the only real purpose I can she in this Conviction is to tell the British Public....


There you go,..We told you he was a nasty man!!!!

Appauling...


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #114 on: November 15, 2016, 01:19:08 PM »
I suspect they wont extradite him because they are afraid that if he is back home, he might start talking!

I absolutley agree with you there Mrswah...

Maybe thats why he's not protesting his Innocence, maybe thats why His family are not making a song and dance..

If he behaves .. they'll let him serve time in a dutch prison..

He is probably desperate to be back in Hollland,whether its in prison or not his mother is really old and I'm sure she would like to see him

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #115 on: November 15, 2016, 01:45:48 PM »
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was she receiving alerts

Well we knew she received texts.. that evening

We also know that her boyfriend had text and rung her several times. Over that weekend

So that information adds to the wear on the battery life..

I'm sure Vincent Tabak didnt plug her phone in to keep the charge!!!


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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #116 on: November 15, 2016, 02:18:06 PM »
Tabak was in the house when Jo Yeates was on her last known evening alive.  He was alone and had no alibi.  He said he did it.  There is a wealth of evidence to back up his admission.  You can play these sorts of games on pretty much any case you want, indeed there are people on the internet convinced that Ian Huntley was stitched up and that Sarah Payne's murderer is a lovely man wrongly convicted.  What purpose this serves other than to make you feel like Miss Marple I do not know.  Put yourselves in the shoes of the victim's familiy for a moment and then tell me that what you're doing here is in their best interests.

There maybe a wealth of supposed evidence to back up an addmission, but where is the Hard evidence to prove he even entered Joanna Yeates flat??

Are there Vincent Tabaks finger prints anywhere in that flat??

He supposedly moved her round the flat to various locations.where are the finger prints??

He turned the tv off.. again wheres his finger prints or dna on the remote control

He turned off the oven.. where are his finger prints, surely by this time he was sweating profusley as he's apparently had just killed Janna Yeates.

There is no DNA evidence in Her flat Or His Flat..

He didn't leave his coat behind to prove he'd been in the flat..

Nobody saw him enter or leave the flat

There is no CCTV footage of him going into the Flat, because theres no CCTV's

He didn't ring anyone saying he's at his neigbours..

No Hard Evidence!!  They need to support Vincent Tabak admission of guilt with hard evidence!!!

The supposed evidence in court fits snuggly with what the prosecution need you to believe:


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Defence Counsel: Accepting that she was dead, what did you do?
Tabak: After a couple of minutes I lifted the body and carried it over to my flat.
Defence Counsel: Your hand being on what part of her body?
Tabak: One arm was underneath her knees.

from http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf


One arm was underneath her Knee... What about her other Knee?
where was the rest off Vincent tabak? His other arm?

Did he draw her up towards his chest so that he had hold of her properly?

Surley if he did that more of his sweat would have dripped on her.

did he have one arm supporting her neck? so he could lift her?

Did he just move her by her legs..
 
I've tried but the answer does give an image of how Vincent Tabak was supposed to have lifted Joanna Yeates..

He's apparently only holding her by her Knee!!

This would explain why they supposedly found his DNA behind her knee of her Jeans..

Why on earth wasn't there more DNA on her or in the Flat if he had been Struggling to Move her!!!





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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #117 on: November 15, 2016, 02:33:23 PM »
And another thing...

How did they prove that the searches were all made by Vincent Tabak and None of these Internet searches were Made by his girlfriend on his home computer or work mates on work related computer?

Did they produce the evidence that they were all definetley Vincent Tabaks  searches and not anyone else..

Again did his solicitor ever check who made the searches or did he just accept the Prosecutions word on that!!!

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2016, 03:04:32 PM »
Alfie and Jixy, we are not playing games here.  We are debating:  as far as I am aware, that is what people do on forums like this.

As for the effect on victims' families, nobody intends any disrespect to them, as I have said before. We are all entitled to our own opinions, and are entitled to air them, even if the victim's family may not like it. It is called free speech!! In any case, I very much doubt whether Jo's family are reading our posts.

I do agree, however, with what Alfie says regarding Ian Huntley.  I have read a lot of stuff on the internet about people thinking he is innocent, and, having done my research, I reckon he is as guilty as sin. I think Vincent Tabak is rather different though, and I don't actually think there is much good evidence at all pointing to his guilt.
I had a look at that "Tabak Is Innocent" website and it's the biggest pile of illogical and badly written/reasoned tosh I've ever read. 

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Re: Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates
« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2016, 03:12:24 PM »
Ask yourself this:

Why would a dutch Nation look up Extradtion from Holland if:

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On 23 Dec 2010 at 4.00 pm
Tabak searched the Dutch Wikipedia for the words
‘extradition’
‘Yeates’
‘missing persons’
‘% of grey cars in UK’
‘Renault Megan cars in UK’

A: He probably already has a basic Knowledge of the laws of the Dutch Land

B: He probably wouldn't have gotten the answer from a dutch wiki, he would need to check something long the lines of:

 http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/pc-oc/Country_information1_en_files/NL%20Extradition.pdf

Do not forget that Vincent Tabak has got a PHD,

I'm sure he knows Wiki isn't fact.. And realisically would have checked the relevant sources if he was trying to sercure not being detained in this country an avoiding Police apprehension.


He is Not Called Dr Vincent Tabak for nothing, the man has an education!!