Going back to the beginning, of this investigation, I wondered about the family dynamics.. The Yeates family may have been portrayed as a united family.. A married mother and father whom live together as man and wife.... A son and a daughter whom live away from home...
What the Police portray to the public, may not be the case.... I do not know for a fact if this is true., what I am about to post, it is an idea that has just come to me, so I thought I should bring it to the table.....
I was looking at other cases where there have been missing or murdered people, and I watched a documentary on Claudia Lawrence... It was this documentary that made me think again about Joanna Yeates....
We may see Mr and Mrs Yeates looking like a family who are together, but are they??
There is information that has been talked about and information we see in video's where we do not get a connection...
The timings are important... Who knew who and who saw who at any time....
Mr and Mrs Lawerence were divorced I believe... and I wondered what the status of the relation ship between The Yeates actually was? The Police keep information back... They portray a united front.... But what is portrayed and what is actually true, is two different things..
I until today had always looked at this as though the Yeates were together.... Yes they are Joanna's parents, but how together were they...??
I have always struggled with the reasoning for what appears to be slip ups by The Yeates in the video's... Where David has stated things and I have noticed Theresa looking somewhat surprised, even though she appears to try to hide this....
For instance... There was on one of the documentaries a point where, David said:
One, two O'clock in the morning....
David talked of the washing Pile and Chris Yeates talked of the despair he felt on the 19th December 2010...
I have never understood the discrepancies, and I have tried to over complicate everything.... But no-one has ever questioned or talked of The relationship that Mr and Mrs Yeates had....
If we need to establish the facts of this case we need to know the facts and why I always come across, what I thought contradictory information.... But is it a case that Mr and Mrs Yeates no longer lived together,... Of course they have a common interest in the search for their daughter and would present a united front when it came to the media appeals....
But I appear to have been chasing information around the internet and not concentrating on simple questions first.....
The Police may have decided to portray this couple as people whom are together, it would not be the first time, especially when they initially appeal for information....
I have always referred to them as The Yeates, but should I refer to them as individual people? Maybe that is where the simplicity of this case lies... It became over complicated, for me, when I tried to decipher the information that didn't make sense, I tried to understand why, The Yeates said contradictory statements...
So did David and Theresa Yeates arrived at Canygne Road at the same time?? I am not sure.... But it would definitely explain what each appeared to notice....
mrswah is correct... It is far more simple... I just hadn't brought the idea that David and Theresa Yeates possibly lived seperately....
We have earlier statement's that David Yeates found one of the ear-rings, but at trial it is Greg... When David Yeates mentions The Washing Pile, , Theresa Yeates looks surprised....
I have tried to look at their body language, I have tried to understand why it appears odd... and why when making the documentaries, Theresa, and David sometimes speak at the same time....
I believe that David says that he last saw Joanna Yeates in the November, where as Theresa had stayed at Canygne Road more recently...
Theresa has said in an interview, about herself and Joanna Yeates and Joanna Yeates growing up, that they were at home alone because they were away a lot... I found the statement weird at the time,
At 11:35 of the video "Murder at Christmas " part 1 Theresa Yeates states...
The mobile phone went quite near midnight and Greg's name flashed up on it , which was quite unusual and he said is Jo with you and we said no.. why would she be with us
I presumed "WE" meant David and Theresa, but it doesn't have to mean that at all... I assumed like everyone has that it had to be the case.... But after all this time I want to question that the possibility of David and Theresa actually living apart, is actually the case....
When we see images that have been photoshopped of Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson, images we know for a fact this is the case, I wonder if it is a clue.... The Flat with 2 of everything... 2 cat trays, two settees, two bedroom furniture sets.... I had wondered why....
Theresa said that all of the furniture that Joanna Yeates had bought had been new.... Yet in the tour of Joanna Yeates Flat, the furniture is a mix of old and new....
When I have looked at this case simple things like that have sent me potty... I couldn't understand why David and Theresa Yeates contradicted themselves.... But they didn't ... They made statements as the individual people that they are... (imo)
So who arrived at Canygne Road first?? .... who rang who, I couldn't say... It's the times that David says that differ from Theresa, in the sense he says. one... two o'clock in the morning... I keep saying it like a script, but the script is what The Police have had them state in the beginning, showing this family as one, when I believe it is quite possible that they are seperate...
It all about the dynamics of a family.... any family , and a united family on TV should then concentrate the public's efforts on helping find The Missing person instead of pointing fingers early on in an investigation....
I keep looking for alternative reasoning as to why we have a change of command... Why it all appears to be so cloak and dagger.... Why there is different scenario's....
What is it that people won't talk about?? The case it's self... The Yeates , or Dr Vincent Tabak... If we do not know anything about David and Theresa Yeates and their family dynamics, then we cannot clearly look at this case properly.... That doesn't mean pointing fingers either, but it opens up a whole different approach to the investigation, a whole different approach and out look for people trying to understand it....
I have allowed what is stated in the media to control everything that I have believed about this case, but i have said that the video's hold the key.... And I think they do....
This is why I am so confused and cannot work out where one story starts and one story ends... Who lives in which flat and which Flat is Joanna Yeates....
Have we got two versions of events running parallel?? The confusion we see is 2 versions, not just the 1 it should be ... (imo)
Nobody tells me anything... I complain about it all the time, and wonder why they stay silent.... But what are they staying silent about?? I hoped to be pointed in the right direction , but I haven't had help that way, and it has frustrated me greatly, as my posts bare witness...
We saw a trial..... we have seen the documentaries, we have 2 versions of these events taking place running along side each other... I couldn't understand why... I couldn't understand why the events in one documentary should be so different from the events in another....
Have we got two different statements... is this why we do not see David or Theresa Yeates take the witness stand??
We have 2 FLO, officers, which confused me, to be honest... but it shouldn't if Theresa and David do not live together as man and wife..
Going back to what time Theresa states she was rung... near midnight.... why did it take Greg until 12:45am to ring The Police?? That threw me...
David has talked of his daughter as if he hadn't seen her grow up, and when I saw the documentary when Therea Yeates had spoken about them working away and it was just her and Jo, I assumed that David worked away a lot and didn't have much contact with Joanna...
But maybe this family is estranged.... maybe this is where everything lies... Well the beginning at least....
I have a receipt that Theresa Yeates says she found, yet at trial it is The Police that find the receipt... I have Greg going around to Dr Vincent Tabak's flat with the Police, but in an interview Theresa talks of going around to this Flat...
Part 2 of The Murder at Christmas at 1:39 of the video.. The narrator says:
Jo's parents were now visiting Vincent Tabak's flat....
Did they go around together?? well I don't know... David has told us how he met Tanja and Dr Vincent Tabak on the lawn and had spoken to Tanja... So why would Theresa need to go around there also??
Two individual people telling us similar information, but seperately ..... I believe it has to be the case.... but that is just my opinion... I cannot explain the contradictory statements in any other way....
Two different amounts of information, two next door neighbours being interviewed on the same day on the 31st December 2010... The same idea, but different people....
Ann Reddrop states she was looking at Dr Vincent Tabak in late December, well it never made sense.... Tanja on the one hand calling the Police from Holland and then on the other hand it was Dr Vincent Tabak....
So is that it..... Have I stumbled upon the correct idea.... We get two lots of everything.... Forensics... Police, SIO's media.....
The media have appeared contradictory also... But if we look at this as two sides of the same story, then what they say makes sense...
I do not know the answer.... But I am more and more convinced for myself, that Theresa Yeates and David Yeates were not man and wife as we believed.... It is the only conclusion I can come up with that would explain why we have the discrepancies we have , not only in the interviews, but in the different versions of events that are portrayed....
We know zero to nothing about this family, and the family really are where we should start, and ask questions to put in to context, The Case that is The Murder of Joanna Yeates.... If we do not have the correct information from the start, our perception of what is happening around us, is tainted, and we go on a wild goose chase like I have... Coming up with random theories, to try to make all the information fit.... But what if it is two lots of information , and in between the information the truth lies somewhere??
I need to look at those video's again... I need to look at what and why David and Theresa Yeates make contradictory statements and maybe why we have 2 lots of appeals early on... why the posters are so different, and why there are 2 SIO's in this Investigation....
The Police always look at The live in partner , husband first, followed by the family... And I have talked of a parallel investigation before... I just think I thought of it in the wrong context... I thought of it as "The Missing persons Inquiry and The Murder... where I should have thought about them running two seperate investigations in another light....
It is just what the Police do... One will look at family and friends, husband , boyfriends etc whilst one will be checking other lines of inquiry... I believe....
It this a eureka moment?? maybe... It would in my opinion, explain a great deal about the contradictory statements... It would explain why CJ made two statements..... It wasn't supplementary if I am to go with this theory.... Everyone made 2 statements.... Because there were 2 investigations going on (imo)... That is the only plausible explanation to the contradictory evidence... And what we get at trial... is one version of events, and why the documentaries have another version of events...
OMG... 2 sets of lawyers.... 2 different Crown Courts... 2 different Numbers for Dr Vincent Tabak.... It is making more and more sense in my eyes.... Have I been blinded by the idea that David and Theresa Yeates are a complete family unit.... Should we have seen them individually earlier on??
I keep saying someone is lying.... But who and what about.... Or did they??
CJ... for instance... I will go back to it..... Saw 2/3 people at the gate... Heard 2 or 3 people at the gate.... Well if his two witness statements say something differently, I can understand why DCI Phil Jones wanted to question him again.... Colin Port insists that CJ had told neighbours etc, that he saw people at The gate... Yet CJ's witness statement states
hears... CJ is not exactly lying if he is referring to only one of his witness statements when he is at The Leveson... He maybe omits what was in the other statement....
This case has sent me bonkers because I know something doesn't add up..... Now I will question myself and my belief.... I have been convinced that Dr Vincent Tabak is innocent.... I have been confused by knowing that Dr Vincent Tabak admitted to Manslaughter and it wasn't accepted....
I have got confused frustrated as to how they could tell us that Dr Vincent Tabak was guilty before a trial.... But is that just one version of events?
2 versions of the same thing.... One Guilty of Manslaughter the other guilty of Murder.... Running side by side....
U20110387 The Old Bailey
T20117031 Bristol Crown Court
I thought the other day that I must have been on the wrong course with these numbers, but now I don't think so....
Dr Vincent Tabak did have 2 numbers if what I am proposing is correct.... And when mrswah has stated before that she believed that Dr Vincent Tabak could be Innocent, but was not sure , I now believe I understand why....
My posts have been based on one version of events.... But if there is 2 then where does Dr Vincent Tabak actually fit in to this crime?? Has he admitted to something he didn't do to stop the investigation?? Was that his crime?? Did he stop the real killer being brought to justice making him just as guilty as the real killer??
Is this the reason that when he is at trial he constantly apologises, because he is shown the full horror of what actually happened to Joanna Yeates....
We have the Prosecution version and The defences version.... No-one knows when Joanna Yeates died... i have different forensic officers saying different things over the years... and I didn't get it....
So what is the real version of events regards this case?? Why does Dr Kelly Sheridan talk of an ikea duvet she tested... ?? Where was all of the forensics?? I think I know where.....
All of the forensics has to lead to the real killer... I do not know who that is, but, I believe this is why we have no forensics of Dr Vincent Tabak's in Joanna Yeates flat.... he wasn't in there, he made a version of events up based on what was in the media... but for what reason I do not know....
I have made statements about people involved based on the idea that this family is solid, well in the sense that they are the average happily married family that have been together since year dot..... But that doesn't have to be the case...
I think a light has just come on.... Maybe the gagging part is that The media cannot say that David and Theresa Yeates are not together in the sense we believed... And this is why they do not speak... Because that simple order would stop everything in its tracks....
We have no idea what statements Dr Vincent Tabak made to the Police.... One version is he stated nothing.... But is that the only version?? DCI Phil Jones speaks of a mobile phone that Dr Vincent Tabak had answered questions about... So that proves somewhere along the line Dr Vincent Tabak made a statement.....
We are told that someone is leaking information... Well from where... from which investigation, if my belief that 2 investigations are going on at the same time.... So it is not leaking.... It's where it came from....
CJ.. states that The Police must have told the media that he had seen Joanna Yeates.... Well that could be perfectly true.... If the information he is talking of came from a different investigation.... We assume that everything is from the same source, but I don't think that is true...
The idea that the ikea men being spoken too again.... The Hophouse Pub, being visited more than once by the Police and it taking them days to collect the CCTV, long after they should have,.... I just assumed someone wasn't telling the truth... But if 2 investigations are running parallel, then this would account for that discrepancy....
I believe that someone still wants the truth to come out.... I cannot have been allowed to spout my crazy ideas for nothing.... And with a process of elimination i have come to this conclusion, which out of all of my crazy ideas. this is the simplest answer....
What was it that has been said to me.... very little to be honest, but:..
* Smoke and Mirrors
* Hiding in plain sight
* It's not complexed
* It's far more simpler
Yes... I believe that to be true... It is staring me in the face... I have just not considered it.... And quite honestly i should have knowing of a family whom had a tragedy and they were presented as being a complete unit when in fact I know they were not...
So do we start again?? Do we look at this case from a complete different angle... Do we look at everything again, from why the times are incorrect to the text messages from friend etc...
I think it is worth consideration... It makes the most sense out of everything I have looked at so far....
And the fact I have over complicated, what should be really a simple Murder case given the facts we have been told, then, I believe that is why we should question the whole case again.... (imo) Because this is the reason I believe the timings do not add up!
I do not know which version of events is true... all statements that were made need looking at again... And maybe the right questions need asking....
Was there 2 Investigations happening at the same time..... Is there 2 sets of evidence?? Where David and Theresa Yeates a unit as was portrayed?? Worth consideration (imo)....
I do not know where everyone fits into this case and how.... But they do, i just do not know the answer.....
Is Dr Vincent Tabak The Scapegoat I started off with??? I still do not know the answer to that question.... But I now need to question why I believe what I do.... Is this even more of a travesty than we thought at the start....
Is this why we had The facebook Forum and The facebook Missing group?? They both were collecting different information... They both had opposing idea... Had Dr Vincent Tabak tried to help the investigation, or had his actions hindered it??
Now the next question that springs to mind.... Is the information that has been removed from the internet, one version of events??? It's a thought.....
There is no finger pointing here... Because one would need to know the full facts.... I just now believe I have based everything I have posted about , more or less on a version of events that isn't strictly true.... Or is it a case of it being a mixed version of events?? I don't know..... But I have always said that something just doesn't add up.... I have just never been able to put my finger on it.... But maybe now I have....
Two versions of events.... What we need to know is which is the true version.... Or is it somewhere in between??
Which then bring into question Dr Vincent Tabak's conviction anyway..... (imo)....
Edit... Is the reason no-one speaks because this is still a live investigation???
