The Defence Will State Their Case

[Real justice]

The information that leads to your arrest is not dreamed up by some bored copper. Rather, it will likely come from one of two distinct avenues. It can be allegations made by An example of intelligence-led investigations are where people who use their credit cards to purchase illegal porn are revealed. Sometimes evidence even comes from rape or murder cases. When such cases occur, computers are taken as they can contain a whole treasure trove of information,  Seized items are bagged with tamper proof ID and tags, clicking shut like the same cable ties we use to keep our own systems in order. The tag holds details such as item description and photographs of the evidence as it was seized. Inside the clear bags would be all the IT gear belonging to the suspect. Other attributes include the time and place of seizure, as well as case references and exhibit ID. Evidence is not just computers and disks, but can also be passwords on Post-It notes or scraps of paper, printouts or even financial statements. The potential mountain of IT paraphernalia will then be put in the back of a police van and driven away

In situations where a business computer is involved the collection method can be very different. In cases such as these you can't take all the computers or the business would just fold.

The framework within which the e-crimes investigator are based around four major principles.

No action taken by the police should lead to a change in the source media. This is the main reason write blockers are used. Using the disk prior to a clone could lead to allegations of planting evidence.

Any action that is performed on the source media must be documented, along with potential issues that this may raise. For example, if the original media is destroyed and needs to be rebuilt in a specialised clean room.

An audit trail should exist and contain documentation of any and all procedures that the evidence undergoes. This is so that the process is repeatable and the outcome the same if the procedure is repeated.

Any actions taken must fully comply with the letter of the law. For obvious reasons if the law is not adhered to it could potentially open claims that could lead to the case being thrown out.

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The information that leads to your arrest is not dreamed up by some bored copper. Rather, it will likely come from one of two distinct avenues. It can be allegations made by An example of intelligence-led investigations are where people who use their credit cards to purchase illegal porn are revealed. Sometimes evidence even comes from rape or murder cases. When such cases occur, computers are taken as they can contain a whole treasure trove of information,  Seized items are bagged with tamper proof ID and tags, clicking shut like the same cable ties we use to keep our own systems in order. The tag holds details such as item description and photographs of the evidence as it was seized. Inside the clear bags would be all the IT gear belonging to the suspect. Other attributes include the time and place of seizure, as well as case references and exhibit ID. Evidence is not just computers and disks, but can also be passwords on Post-It notes or scraps of paper, printouts or even financial statements. The potential mountain of IT paraphernalia will then be put in the back of a police van and driven away

In situations where a business computer is involved the collection method can be very different. In cases such as these you can't take all the computers or the business would just fold.

The framework within which the e-crimes investigator are based around four major principles.

No action taken by the police should lead to a change in the source media. This is the main reason write blockers are used. Using the disk prior to a clone could lead to allegations of planting evidence.

Any action that is performed on the source media must be documented, along with potential issues that this may raise. For example, if the original media is destroyed and needs to be rebuilt in a specialised clean room.

An audit trail should exist and contain documentation of any and all procedures that the evidence undergoes. This is so that the process is repeatable and the outcome the same if the procedure is repeated.

Any actions taken must fully comply with the letter of the law. For obvious reasons if the law is not adhered to it could potentially open claims that could lead to the case being thrown out.

In situations where a business computer is involved the collection method can be very different. In cases such as these you can't take all the computers or the business would just fold.

So how did they access Buro happold's computers, computers that in themselves would have had sensitive information for their business upon them??

[Real justice]

In situations where a business computer is involved the collection method can be very different. In cases such as these you can't take all the computers or the business would just fold.

So how did they access Buro happold's computers, computers that in themselves would have had sensitive information for their business upon them??

I don’t know the exact procedure NB, but they would have to get a search warrant if the company didn’t comply.  A case I know of, they wanted his phone because it had the so called evidence, they acted very very quickly and without this evidence he would have got off.  The phone evidence wasn’t needed at trial because it made him plead guilty, he got 8 months.

[nina]

mrswah are you suggesting that VT wasn't in the neighbourhood?

[Real justice]

Don’t forget, computer evidence and phone evidence can work both ways, it can also prove your innocence, which it has done in many cases, where the accused has actually been sent messages, or pestering ect

[mrswah]

We were told by the news and papers that VT had been looking at porn before murdering Joanna Yeates.

One of the pictures of the porn was a woman in a pink top, just like Joannas. So after watching this he walked past Joanna's kitchen window and saw her in a pink top.

Doesn't take a lot to think what he was thinking does it?

This was the snuff porn he was watching, according to the media, not the child porn.

Both equally repulsive.

Yes, exactly, we were told by the news and papers. Can we always believe what we read in the papers? Remember what the papers told us about CJ, for starters!!

So, you honestly believe that VT killed Joanna because her top was the same colour as that of the woman in his porn video? Don't you think Tanja ever wore a pink top? Do you think none of VTs colleagues did?

[Real justice]

So, if someone living in my street is killed tonight, and I say I'm guilty, I'm automatically going to be believed, am I??? Nobody is going to check and discover that it cant possibly have been me, because I wasn't in the neighbourhood at the crucial time? Doesn't seem a very satisfactory way of doing things------

Of course you would be a suspect, doesn’t mean you would be charged, they would still require evidence.  Who knows you could be a Weirdo 

[mrswah]

mrswah are you suggesting that VT wasn't in the neighbourhood?

No, I certainly am not! That wasn't what I was getting at at all. It's me who isn't at home right now!

[jixy]

Yes, exactly, we were told by the news and papers. Can we always believe what we read in the papers? Remember what the papers told us about CJ, for starters!!

So, you honestly believe that VT killed Joanna because her top was the same colour as that of the woman in his porn video? Don't you think Tanja ever wore a pink top? Do you think none of VTs colleagues did?

He waited until Tanja was out to view his disgusting pictures etc. Joanna on the other hand was  right next door just after he viewed it. He couldnt really kill someone in his office now could he?

[nina]

So, you honestly believe that VT killed Joanna because her top was the same colour as that of the woman in his porn video? Don't you think Tanja ever wore a pink top? Do you think none of VTs colleagues did?


I certainly think that it might have had something to do with Joanna being murdered.

It's harder to kill someone at work in an office, I imagine, likewise your girlfriend. Just my opinion.

[nina]

Well that's good mrswah. I thought that you were going to have VT in Amsterdam as well as NB.

[APRIL]

So, if someone living in my street is killed tonight, and I say I'm guilty, I'm automatically going to be believed, am I??? Nobody is going to check and discover that it cant possibly have been me, because I wasn't in the neighbourhood at the crucial time? Doesn't seem a very satisfactory way of doing things------

Things rarely happen in a vacuum. Someone will know that you're a little strange/are a fantasist/have HPD. That being so, you'll undoubtedly have been evaluated by a psychiatrist who will wish to learn why it is that an innocent person who was nowhere near the SOC has confessed to it. SHOULD you slip under the radar and find yourself standing in court still maintaining the lie, I have faith that someone would be capable of challenging it. You could end up being prosecuted for wasting police time and/or perjury, OR possibly find yourself subject to a section under the mental health act?

[Real justice]

No, I certainly am not! That wasn't what I was getting at at all. It's me who isn't at home right now!

What do you mean mrswah, you’re vacant?

[APRIL]

Yes, exactly, we were told by the news and papers. Can we always believe what we read in the papers? Remember what the papers told us about CJ, for starters!!

So, you honestly believe that VT killed Joanna because her top was the same colour as that of the woman in his porn video? Don't you think Tanja ever wore a pink top? Do you think none of VTs colleagues did?

I think it highly likely that the pink top reawakened nascent sexual arousal which had been triggered by the female in the porn video.

[Caroline]

NB, most cases now involve the police removing electronic devices, rape victims will now have their phone searched.  The specialist was in court I believe?

Vincent Tabak’s, credit card details was in on some sites, that is no accident trust me

So great was Tabak’s addiction to depraved sexual images that he admitted an “ordinary day” included entering a porn website almost the moment Miss Morson walked out of the door for work at 7.30am.

And of course Tabak hasn't denied viewing the images