Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Robittybob1]

When Matthew and Russell wnet ti check at 9.25-30 I thought they planned to enter the apartments. I wonder why Russell passed the entrance to Block 5 and listened at his window? Did he only enter the apartment because he heard noise?

I made erm a single trip back to the flat, err and then returned and that was err with Matthew OLDFIELD at about sort of twenty five past nine, somewhere around there. On that visit it was clear listening at the window that Evie had woken up
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Why would they need to do more than that?

[G-Unit]

Why would they need to do more than that?

Sometimes they just listened and sometimes they went into the apartments. Judging by Russell's statement he didn't intend to go in, just to listen at the window. Was that Matthew's intention also? He had taken it upon himself to listen at the McCann's window at 9pm, purely because he was near to it;

4078 'Was that the first time that you had taken it upon yourself to check on somebody else's child''

Reply 'Yeah, I'd not done it before, it was only because, you know, I was there and I was, and it may not have happened if I'd actually gone in and checked on Grace through the room, you know, I might not have just been next to their shutter in terms of to actually have a listen, you know, I was just there, it was only like four steps further. But, no, I didn't, even though we now knew each other for the week and I felt a bit more comfortable about their kids knowing me, as I said before, erm, I wouldn't normally sort of impose that sort of check on somebody else unless they'd, erm, unless they'd suggested it. It'd be almost like a step, not a step too far, but, erm, it's not really our place to, you know, to do that'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[faithlilly]

Sometimes they just listened and sometimes they went into the apartments. Judging by Russell's statement he didn't intend to go in, just to listen at the window. Was that Matthew's intention also? He had taken it upon himself to listen at the McCann's window at 9pm, purely because he was near to it;

4078 'Was that the first time that you had taken it upon yourself to check on somebody else's child''

Reply 'Yeah, I'd not done it before, it was only because, you know, I was there and I was, and it may not have happened if I'd actually gone in and checked on Grace through the room, you know, I might not have just been next to their shutter in terms of to actually have a listen, you know, I was just there, it was only like four steps further. But, no, I didn't, even though we now knew each other for the week and I felt a bit more comfortable about their kids knowing me, as I said before, erm, I wouldn't normally sort of impose that sort of check on somebody else unless they'd, erm, unless they'd suggested it. It'd be almost like a step, not a step too far, but, erm, it's not really our place to, you know, to do that'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Is there any evidence that either of the McCanns specifically suggested Oldfield enter their apartment?

[G-Unit]

Is there any evidence that either of the McCanns specifically suggested Oldfield enter their apartment?

In his frst statement Marrhew says he went in, but not why. He also says there were two windows in the bedroom. Another thing he says is that the whole group went into the apartment after Kate raised the alarm;

 Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD.htm

In his 10th May statement je says this;

At that time he offered [made himself available] to perform a check in the bedroom of MBM. .......he deponent explained that both [men] had suggested that KM remain in the restaurant [they] assuming the responsibility of verifying the children.

Nonetheless, and the question asked, he relates not being able to state exactly if the suggestion was made by himself or by ROB, adding not being able to clarify why it was done,
he deponent explained that both [men] had suggested that KM remain in the restaurant [they] assuming the responsibility of verifying the children.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

This seems to have been news to Russell. In his first statement he doesn't mention it;

 He believes that Matthew Oldfield went to his apartment, and is not aware if he was going to also check on the McCann children
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

[Mr Gray]

In his frst statement Marrhew says he went in, but not why. He also says there were two windows in the bedroom. Another thing he says is that the whole group went into the apartment after Kate raised the alarm;

 Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD.htm

In his 10th May statement je says this;

At that time he offered [made himself available] to perform a check in the bedroom of MBM. .......he deponent explained that both [men] had suggested that KM remain in the restaurant [they] assuming the responsibility of verifying the children.

Nonetheless, and the question asked, he relates not being able to state exactly if the suggestion was made by himself or by ROB, adding not being able to clarify why it was done,
he deponent explained that both [men] had suggested that KM remain in the restaurant [they] assuming the responsibility of verifying the children.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

This seems to have been news to Russell. In his first statement he doesn't mention it;

 He believes that Matthew Oldfield went to his apartment, and is not aware if he was going to also check on the McCann children
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

Have you considered that due to translation issues these statements may not be accurate... If they are not which I think is highly probable based on how they were taken... Sutton agrees, with this... Then your conclusions, are, suspect

[Miss Taken Identity]

Have you considered that due to translation issues these statements may not be accurate... If they are not which I think is highly probable based on how they were taken... Sutton agrees, with this... Then your conclusions, are, suspect

The timeline and the interviews on TV were in English... And let us not forget that wee 'misunderstanding' about JT walking past Gerry and Jez, and they didn't see her  as it happens she saw them and an abductor within seconds and the men saw nothing... Hmm

[Venturi Swirl]

Absolutely hilarious.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7820354/madeleine-mccann-looking-for-parents/

The thing is if they are looking at woke and wandered why were the windows and shutters open, as detailed by Kate ?

Classic tactic....don’t look over here.....the only question is why now ?

Well two months has elapsed since this "absolutely hilarious" story broke.  Some believed that it presaged BIG NEWS and Kate and Gerry were behind this all to manage our expectations....

So....how much longer do we have to wait?

[Venturi Swirl]

Nice to see that they are following up on this at last. I told you all weeks ago that this was on the cards. Phase 2 soon hopefully!!

What is "Phase 2" and how long before you expect it to kick in?  It's been two months now...

[barrier]

Gamble seems to be raising it again.

caveat it is the star.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/780749/madeleine-mccain-2019-disappearance-news-missing-parents-wandered-off-theory

Madeleine McCann 'wandered off before disappearance’ – top Brit detective on theory


The sun as well.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9156238/madeleine-mccann-wandered-off-portugal/

[Venturi Swirl]

What is "Phase 2" and how long before you expect it to kick in?  It's been two months now...

Angelo, have we entered Phase 2 yet?  Only it’s now been 8 months, so...

[John]

Some posts have been unnecessarily aggressive and combative recently which is not conducive to constructive debate. By all means promote opinion and explore theories as long as such are based on facts and accepted understanding.

Finally, please keep posts amicable and informative at all times. TY.

[Angelo222]

Gamble seems to be raising it again.

caveat it is the star.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/780749/madeleine-mccain-2019-disappearance-news-missing-parents-wandered-off-theory

Madeleine McCann 'wandered off before disappearance’ – top Brit detective on theory


The sun as well.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9156238/madeleine-mccann-wandered-off-portugal/

They are coming round to this reality slowly but it is the only theory which has any evidence to back it up. The McCanns have always denied that this could have happened for obvious reasons.

[Brietta]

They are coming round to this reality slowly but it is the only theory which has any evidence to back it up. The McCanns have always denied that this could have happened for obvious reasons.

I think if Kate and Gerry had any other agenda than finding out what happened to their daughter they would have leapt at the "explanation" of woke and wandered.

But since that has proved to be a dead end as far as explaining what happened to Madeleine is concerned ... I think their only hope for resolution is the current police investigations both of which are looking for an abductor.

[Angelo222]

I think if Kate and Gerry had any other agenda than finding out what happened to their daughter they would have leapt at the "explanation" of woke and wandered.

But since that has proved to be a dead end as far as explaining what happened to Madeleine is concerned ... I think their only hope for resolution is the current police investigations both of which are looking for an abductor.

With due respect Brietta, I don't know where you get the notion that the woke and wandered theory is a dead end because in reality it is very live and kicking. The fact that Jim Gamble has now had to acknowledge that it is a very real possibility is very telling imo.

The difficulty for Maddie's parents though is that woke and wandered if proven will only highlight their neglect.

[G-Unit]

I think if Kate and Gerry had any other agenda than finding out what happened to their daughter they would have leapt at the "explanation" of woke and wandered.

But since that has proved to be a dead end as far as explaining what happened to Madeleine is concerned ... I think their only hope for resolution is the current police investigations both of which are looking for an abductor.

I have seen nothing which confirms that the PJ are looking for an abductor.