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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Robittybob1 on June 12, 2020, 10:50:50 PM

Title: What if anything can we learn from the Bamber videos?
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 12, 2020, 10:50:50 PM
There have been many videos produced and I'm sure they contain insights that we need to consider.

Take this one for instance "CRHnews - The bloodied Holy Bible and Essex mass murderer Jeremy Bamber"  https://youtu.be/SH48WKZLTtc
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 13, 2020, 12:20:42 AM
What can we learn?

That you watch crap created by Jeremy Bamber’s supporters.

Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 13, 2020, 02:09:04 AM
What can we learn?

That you watch crap created by Jeremy Bamber’s insane supporters.
I see a Bible with two things hanging out of it, so where are they now?  What did the note say?  Who wrote it?
A Bible that had Sheila's bloodied fingerprints on it.  So how does that happen?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 16, 2020, 03:58:36 AM
"Timeline of evidence which proves Jeremy Bamber is an innocent man"
https://youtu.be/c1NMk5tKFHM

It says the police arrived at the scene at 3:48 AM
Jeremy arrived 2 mins later at 3:50 AM  at the entrance to Page's lane.

Reconnaissance of the house takes place and a police officer sees movement in the bedroom window.  Which bedroom window?

One thing a bit odd was that earlier the British Telecom had said the phone was off the hook, but at around 5:34 it is reported the phone line was engaged.

7:34 AM door bashed down with a sledgehammer.

It is totally inexplicable how there were two deceased in the kitchen and 3 bodies found upstairs.  Was June Bamber visible from downstairs?


Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 16, 2020, 08:47:54 AM
There are two videos bringing up strong evidence of Sheila's bad mental state.
1.  https://youtu.be/lNsEN5y-Gkw  "Verbatim Project: Dr Hugh Ferguson, Sheila's Psychiatrist"
2.  Dr Ferguson: The Mental Health care of Paul Paget-Lewis and Sheila Caffell" https://youtu.be/QtyuDO4VRN0


Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 16, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
When one listens to the complexity of all the estates and transactions one is left thinking who was really going to gain from the deaths? 

https://youtu.be/HHAnLJOIw7k
The Bamber and Speakman Estates
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Brietta on June 16, 2020, 06:02:43 PM

I would trust nothing at all promoted from that source. 
People more familiar with the case than me and whose judgement I have come to trust have pointed out glaring irregularities and some downright fabrications promoted as the norm.  I prefer not to be treated as a gullible idiot and avoid everything emanating from that source as a result ... I don't think barefaced lies deserve to be granted the oxygen of publicity.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 16, 2020, 06:35:08 PM
When one listens to the complexity of all the estates and transactions one is left thinking who was really going to gain from the deaths? 

https://youtu.be/HHAnLJOIw7k
The Bamber and Speakman Estates
There are two videos bringing up strong evidence of Sheila's bad mental state.
1.  https://youtu.be/lNsEN5y-Gkw  "Verbatim Project: Dr Hugh Ferguson, Sheila's Psychiatrist"
2.  Dr Ferguson: The Mental Health care of Paul Paget-Lewis and Sheila Caffell" https://youtu.be/QtyuDO4VRN0



Sadly, ALL of what you've posted is headed by the JBCT which means, from the start, there's a bias. We know, from past experience, that the 'truth' as they present it, is unlike the truth seen by others. How does one trust any unit that would see a man, guilty of 5 murders, walk free?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 16, 2020, 07:01:52 PM
I would trust nothing at all promoted from that source. 
People more familiar with the case than me and whose judgement I have come to trust have pointed out glaring irregularities and some downright fabrications promoted as the norm.  I prefer not to be treated as a gullible idiot and avoid everything emanating from that source as a result ... I don't think barefaced lies deserve to be granted the oxygen of publicity.
You do seem to have a very strong opinion against Jeremy and I'd like to know why.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 16, 2020, 07:04:32 PM


Sadly, ALL of what you've posted is headed by the JBCT which means, from the start, there's a bias. We know, from past experience, that the 'truth' as they present it, is unlike the truth seen by others. How does one trust any unit that would see a man, guilty of 5 murders, walk free?
Do you think there has never been a miscarriage of justice ever?  Have juries never came to the wrong decision?
Have judges never been biased in their summing up? 
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 16, 2020, 07:27:33 PM
Do you think there has never been a miscarriage of justice ever?  Have juries never came to the wrong decision?
Have judges never been biased in their summing up?


I don't, but I don't believe this to have been one of them. I believe juries have come to the wrong decision (based on what they've listened to) but in this case don't believe the jury came to the wrong decision. It depends on what one feels would be the right outcome as to whether one thinks the judge's summing up is biased.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 16, 2020, 07:49:19 PM

I don't, but I don't believe this to have been one of them. I believe juries have come to the wrong decision (based on what they've listened to) but in this case don't believe the jury came to the wrong decision. It depends on what one feels would be the right outcome as to whether one thinks the judge's summing up is biased.
I just read in another thread where you say you knew the Bambers and their neighbours etc.  So you are hardly an outsider, but I am, living thousands of miles away and the case wasn't news in NZ to any extent, and when I read the judges summing up to me it was erroneous and biased on my first reading of it.  Later as I develop a greater understanding of the case maybe I'll change my view.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 16, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
I just read in another thread where you say you knew the Bambers and their neighbours etc.  So you are hardly an outsider, but I am, living thousands of miles away and the case wasn't news in NZ to any extent, and when I read the judges summing up to me it was erroneous and biased on my first reading of it.  Later as I develop a greater understanding of the case maybe I'll change my view.

Yes, I do realize that it must be difficult for you -it would be the same for me if I tried to rationalize a case which had caused controversy in NZ- and I try, not always successfully, to make allowances for it. I'm aware that you're trying to do, in a few months, that which it's taken some of us several years to do.

It would be more correct to say that some of my friend, and several of my neighbours, were close friends with the Bambers over many years. Several being young marrieds together. I do have a link, albeit a VERY tenuous one, because of my own adoption.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Caroline on June 16, 2020, 09:13:10 PM
"Timeline of evidence which proves Jeremy Bamber is an innocent man"
https://youtu.be/c1NMk5tKFHM

It says the police arrived at the scene at 3:48 AM
Jeremy arrived 2 mins later at 3:50 AM  at the entrance to Page's lane.

Reconnaissance of the house takes place and a police officer sees movement in the bedroom window.  Which bedroom window?

One thing a bit odd was that earlier the British Telecom had said the phone was off the hook, but at around 5:34 it is reported the phone line was engaged.

7:34 AM door bashed down with a sledgehammer.

It is totally inexplicable how there were two deceased in the kitchen and 3 bodies found upstairs.  Was June Bamber visible from downstairs?

The phone give and engaged tone when it was off the hook.

There weren't two deceased people downstairs, just Neville
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 16, 2020, 11:34:44 PM
The phone give and engaged tone when it was off the hook.

There weren't two deceased people downstairs, just Neville
The police log in the video has the figures 2 (downstairs) and 3 (upstairs).  The numerals are clearly visible.

You said, "The phone gives and engaged tone when it was off the hook."  I've just checked the phone had a dial tone for a minute or so but that changed to an error tone followed by a continuous high pitched warning signal that would be audible to anyone passing by.
OK from memory the phones in the '80s would do the same.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 16, 2020, 11:46:08 PM
"Timeline of evidence which proves Jeremy Bamber is an innocent man"
https://youtu.be/c1NMk5tKFHM

It says the police arrived at the scene at 3:48 AM
Jeremy arrived 2 mins later at 3:50 AM  at the entrance to Page's lane.

Reconnaissance of the house takes place and a police officer sees movement in the bedroom window.  Which bedroom window?

One thing a bit odd was that earlier the British Telecom had said the phone was off the hook, but at around 5:34 it is reported the phone line was engaged.

7:34 AM door bashed down with a sledgehammer.

It is totally inexplicable how there were two deceased in the kitchen and 3 bodies found upstairs.  Was June Bamber visible from downstairs?


Rob, please read the OFFICIAL reports

You’re reading Jeremy Bamber’s distorted untruths, hence why you’re confused

The police NEVER saw a person inside the house moving about, ever. They saw shadows of light caused by the moon and breeze through the trees & which they immediately realised were simply reflections of light when they tilted their heads and stared at the windows. They were on high alert and open to suggestion, too: so when Jeremy planted the seed in their heads and said “Look, there’s a movement!” The two officers, being human, became anxious and open to suggestion...


But in the event, and after looking at the window again they realised it was a trick of the light. Easily done.

The phone line was never engaged — the phone was off the hook, hence how they were able to listen in to the house.


Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 12:04:47 AM

..snip...

The phone line was never engaged — the phone was off the hook, hence how they were able to listen in to the house.
An engaged phone is off the hook.  You pick up the handpiece and hear a dial tone.  Anyone trying to ring that number would say it was engaged.  The impression I got was they were saying even though it was off the hook initially at some stage the signal changed to an engaged signal, which had to mean someone replaced the receiver and then picked it up again and used the phone.  In fact, they try to say that a 999 call was made then.  Maybe it was rung but not answered.  It is all a bit weird.  Was some technician doing all this off-site?  That might be it.

Is this the solution?  Someone is listening in to the line, but a technician at a central site is playing around making the tones on the line change.  All the time the handpiece is lying on the counter top untouched.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 12:56:57 AM
"The police log in the video has the figures 2 (downstairs) and 3 (upstairs).  The numerals are clearly visible."

https://youtu.be/_1idaKFwNZs "Jeremy Bamber: CaseQT - Jeremy's Alibi"

IMO the only body that could have been moved easily would have been June Bamber.

Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Brietta on June 17, 2020, 05:43:55 AM
You do seem to have a very strong opinion against Jeremy and I'd like to know why.
I'm not terribly keen on mass murderers and I find child killers in particular are definitely beyond the pale.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 17, 2020, 06:49:25 AM
"The police log in the video has the figures 2 (downstairs) and 3 (upstairs).  The numerals are clearly visible."

https://youtu.be/_1idaKFwNZs "Jeremy Bamber: CaseQT - Jeremy's Alibi"

IMO the only body that could have been moved easily would have been June Bamber.



Okay, it worked like this. You have this bod at HQ taking down what's radio'd in. Police person A, having peered through a window and seen hair cascading forward, reports the body of a woman. Police person B, on entry, not knowing that police person A has reported seeing the body of a woman, radio's in that they've found the body of a man. Bod at HQ precis's by putting them together.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 07:24:28 AM


Okay, it worked like this. You have this bod at HQ taking down what's radio'd in. Police person A, having peered through a window and seen hair cascading forward, reports the body of a woman. Police person B, on entry, not knowing that police person A has reported seeing the body of a woman, radio's in that they've found the body of a man. Bod at HQ precis's by putting them together.
But if it was as simple as that there would still be 4 bodies found upstairs rather than just 3.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 07:29:49 AM
I'm not terribly keen on mass murderers and I find child killers in particular are definitely beyond the pale.
Who would be, but I think we need to be very certain when the evidence is entirely circumstantial. 
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 17, 2020, 07:59:04 AM
But if it was as simple as that there would still be 4 bodies found upstairs rather than just 3.


There were 4 bodies upstairs. Sheila, June, and the twins.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 08:03:45 AM

There were 4 bodies upstairs. Sheila, June, and the twins.
There were later but when they first entered the house there were two bodies in the kitchen and three upstairs by what is written on the police logs.

I can only think the police could see that June had been shot multiple times in her bed so they brought her body upstairs just to keep the crime scene simple.

Does it really matter if they moved a body from one room to the other?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 08:45:10 AM
"Jeremy Bamber: CaseQT - How Sheila Killed the Family"  https://youtu.be/0hAarqiSwbY

Talks about injury to Sheila's arms.
Talks of blood on Sheila's hands.
Talks of Sheila's condition and medication.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 17, 2020, 08:45:44 AM
There were later but when they first entered the house there were two bodies in the kitchen and three upstairs by what is written on the police logs.

I can only think the police could see that June had been shot multiple times in her bed so they brought her body upstairs just to keep the crime scene simple.

Does it really matter if they moved a body from one room to the other?


You've become confused because of others' confusion. Firstly, there's no report/WS from any police person, ie NO ONE has put their name to the claim of having walked in and seen 2 bodies in situ. What you've read is the culmination of two police persons at the scene, each radioing in what they believe they've seen and someone at HQ trying to get all the information down and to make sense of it without seeing it.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 17, 2020, 08:49:44 AM
"Jeremy Bamber: CaseQT - How Sheila Killed the Family"  https://youtu.be/0hAarqiSwbY

Talks about injury to Sheila's arms.
Talks of blood on Sheila's hands.
Talks of Sheila's condition and medication.


Jeremy himself is quoted as saying that it's always best to tell as much of the truth as possible. We have to accept that there will be an element of truth in the above, but it will have been manipulated/twisted/reformed to suit the case they're trying to make.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 09:00:54 AM

You've become confused because of others' confusion. Firstly, there's no report/WS from any police person, ie NO ONE has put their name to the claim of having walked in and seen 2 bodies in situ. What you've read is the culmination of two police persons at the scene, each radioing in what they believe they've seen and someone at HQ trying to get all the information down and to make sense of it without seeing it.
I'll have to leave it confused until someone can prove to me June Bamber died where she is reported to have fallen in her bedroom.  Are there no other photos showing the carpet underneath her body?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 09:02:53 AM

Jeremy himself is quoted as saying that it's always best to tell as much of the truth as possible. We have to accept that there will be an element of truth in the above, but it will have been manipulated/twisted/reformed to suit the case they're trying to make.
How did Sheila get the bruises to her arms?  I had seen them myself, but someone suggested they were blood smears.   
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 17, 2020, 09:12:06 AM
How did Sheila get the bruises to her arms?  I had seen them myself, but someone suggested they were blood smears.


All the pictures you've seen are, I believe, reproductions of originals, so unlikely to be clear. The autopsy findings might tell you more.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: mrswah on June 17, 2020, 10:24:02 AM


Okay, it worked like this. You have this bod at HQ taking down what's radio'd in. Police person A, having peered through a window and seen hair cascading forward, reports the body of a woman. Police person B, on entry, not knowing that police person A has reported seeing the body of a woman, radio's in that they've found the body of a man. Bod at HQ precis's by putting them together.


So, was it made clear at trial that there was only one body downstairs, and four upstairs?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 17, 2020, 10:36:35 AM

So, was it made clear at trial that there was only one body downstairs, and four upstairs?


Good question, Mrswah!............and one I don't know the answer to. I think, though, it's a given that no police person claims to have seen 2 bodies together. It was more a question of one believing the body was that of female and the other -OR possibly the same one rectifying their mistake?- seeing it to be male.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 10:45:58 AM

Good question, Mrswah!............and one I don't know the answer to. I think, though, it's a given that no police person claims to have seen 2 bodies together. It was more a question of one believing the body was that of female and the other -OR possibly the same one rectifying their mistake?- seeing it to be male.

Are we to assume it was through the window that it was first noticed a body? was this  just before 7:30 entry? so were the curtains closed and were the police looking through a gap or were they open where  it was good daylight where a mistake was unlikely to happen?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 17, 2020, 10:53:09 AM
Are we to assume it was through the window that it was first noticed a body? was this  just before 7:30 entry? so were the curtains closed and were the police looking through a gap or were they open where  it was good daylight where a mistake was unlikely to happen?

Barrier, we have to remember that looking through a window, with the added possibility that there's someone the other side of it waiting to shoot, offers a limited field of vision.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: barrier on June 17, 2020, 11:21:14 AM
Barrier, we have to remember that looking through a window, with the added possibility that there's someone the other side of it waiting to shoot, offers a limited field of vision.

I realise that, was just trying to get an handle on when a peek/look was taken,easy to make a mistake if your're just sneaking a glimpse.If Robs trying to tell us there were two bodies,someone has to be certain.Even Bamber never claims this,sheesh.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 17, 2020, 11:22:32 AM
An engaged phone is off the hook.  You pick up the handpiece and hear a dial tone.  Anyone trying to ring that number would say it was engaged.  The impression I got was they were saying even though it was off the hook initially at some stage the signal changed to an engaged signal, which had to mean someone replaced the receiver and then picked it up again and used the phone.  In fact, they try to say that a 999 call was made then.  Maybe it was rung but not answered.  It is all a bit weird.  Was some technician doing all this off-site?  That might be it.

Is this the solution?  Someone is listening in to the line, but a technician at a central site is playing around making the tones on the line change.  All the time the handpiece is lying on the counter top untouched.


You’re talking 35 years ago; BT didn’t have the technology they do now — and why would a BT engineer in the dead of night play games with their line?

Instead of conjuring up implausible scenarios, Rob, go by the facts that are known — including the lies Bamber told.

He said Nevill rang him and then the phone cut off “like someone had pressed the buttons down”. He was obviously trying to infer that Sheila had walked over to Nevill as he was speaking on the phone and placed her fingers on the cut-off buttons.

We all know that’s pathetic and utter rubbish.

Whatever, JB said the phone cut off, so he would have got the dialling tone immediately.

He claimed he rang back (not immediately, I seem to recall...), and got the engaged tone. But that engaged tone happened when he himself took the receiver off its cradle.

His lies are all tosh.

Finally, there were NO calls made to the police, 999, or any other number from WHF after Jeremy Bamber took the receiver off. None. Not one.

It’s time wasting discussing it
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 17, 2020, 11:24:55 AM
But if it was as simple as that there would still be 4 bodies found upstairs rather than just 3.


There were.

Sheila, June and the two little boys Jeremy shot dead.

Didn’t you know that?😳
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 11:30:46 AM

You’re talking 35 years ago; BT didn’t have the technology they do now — and why would a BT engineer in the dead of night play games with their line?

Instead of conjuring up implausible scenarios, Rob, go by the facts that are known — including the lies Bamber told.

He said Nevill rang him and then the phone cut off “like someone had pressed the buttons down”. He was obviously trying to infer that Sheila had walked over to Nevill as he was speaking on the phone and placed her fingers on the cut-off buttons.

We all know that’s pathetic and utter rubbish.

Whatever, JB said the phone cut off, so he would have got the dialling tone immediately.

He claimed he rang back (not immediately, I seem to recall...), and got the engaged tone. But that engaged tone happened when he himself took the receiver off its cradle.

His lies are all tosh.

Finally, there were NO calls made to the police, 999, or any other number from WHF after Jeremy Bamber took the receiver off. None. Not one.

It’s time wasting discussing it
I appreciate that you've made an attempt to explain it but some of what you say seems incorrect.
So maybe we are wasting time discussing it.  It should have been sorted then when the phone lines could be checked.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 17, 2020, 11:33:05 AM
How did Sheila get the bruises to her arms?  I had seen them myself, but someone suggested they were blood smears.


Sheila had NO bruises on her arms or anywhere else. Read the autopsy report.

She had blue mottling (livor mortis) on her left arm which you can see in the photos

If you keep watching these insane videos churned out by the CT, which are all littered with gross exaggerations, outright lies and twisted distorted rubbish, you’ll end up even more confused than you are now, Rob.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 17, 2020, 11:43:15 AM
I appreciate that you've made an attempt to explain it but some of what you say seems incorrect.
So maybe we are wasting time discussing it.  It should have been sorted then when the phone lines could be checked.


What’s incorrect?

I’m lucid, Rob

I’m also logical

I don’t dream up weird scenarios — I go by FACTS and what I’ve read from the OFFICIAL reports. I read what police, lawyers, pathologists, ballistic experts, scientists, forensics, witnesses etc have all STATED as FACT.

I’m guided by the FACT that all this was gone over 35 years ago: not by crackpots, conspiracy theorists, or hapless members of JB’s CT who make ludicrous, laughable suggestions.

So, in the post of mine you’re referring to, there is NOTHING that’s incorrect.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 11:47:14 AM

Sheila had NO bruises on her arms or anywhere else. Read the autopsy report.

She had blue mottling (livor mortis) on her left arm which you can see in the photos

If you keep watching these insane videos churned out by the CT, which are all littered with gross exaggerations, outright lies and twisted distorted rubbish, you’ll end up even more confused than you are now, Rob.
These look like scratches that had occurred before Sheila shot herself or was shot the first time.  We can see the blood that had dropped onto her arm.  So when did she wipe the blood off this side of her arm?

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18728;image)
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 11:58:57 AM

What’s incorrect?

I’m lucid, Rob

I’m also logical

I don’t dream up weird scenarios — I go by FACTS and what I’ve read from the OFFICIAL reports. I read what police, lawyers, pathologists, ballistic experts, scientists, forensics, witnesses etc have all STATED as FACT.

I’m guided by the FACT that all this was gone over 35 years ago: not by crackpots, conspiracy theorists, or hapless members of JB’s CT who make ludicrous, laughable suggestions.

So, in the post of mine you’re referring to, there is NOTHING that’s incorrect.

I will put my replies as Bold:

Well I thought there was some mistakes, and I just didn't have the energy to argue the point.


You said "You’re talking 35 years ago; BT didn’t have the technology they do now — and why would a BT engineer in the dead of night play games with their line?"

OK there is some discussion of how to get a clear line into the house.  I'll find it later and we'll discuss it then.

You said "Instead of conjuring up implausible scenarios, Rob, go by the facts that are known — including the lies Bamber told.

He said Nevill rang him and then the phone cut off “like someone had pressed the buttons down”. He was obviously trying to infer that Sheila had walked over to Nevill as he was speaking on the phone and placed her fingers on the cut-off buttons.

We all know that’s pathetic and utter rubbish."

Well that is how you see it. 

You said "Whatever, JB said the phone cut off, so he would have got the dialling tone immediately."

He would need to put his phone down first and then pick it up again to get a new dial tone.

He claimed he rang back (not immediately, I seem to recall...), and got the engaged tone. But that engaged tone happened when he himself took the receiver off its cradle.

You said "His lies are all tosh.

Finally, there were NO calls made to the police, 999, or any other number from WHF after Jeremy Bamber took the receiver off. None. Not one.

It’s time wasting discussing it"

That is right if you just want  to rave on about your views there is no point discussing it.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 17, 2020, 12:00:08 PM
These look like scratches that had occurred before Sheila shot herself or was shot the first time.  We can see the blood that had dropped onto her arm.  So when did she wipe the blood off this side of her arm?

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18728;image)


Read the autopsy report, Rob.

Sheila had NO scratches.

You’re reading BS.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 12:08:25 PM
They are scratches IMO.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 17, 2020, 12:09:48 PM
They are scratches IMO.

Any idea why two pathologists overlooked? 
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 17, 2020, 12:17:27 PM
I will put my replies as Bold:

Well I thought there was some mistakes, and I just didn't have the energy to argue the point.


You said "You’re talking 35 years ago; BT didn’t have the technology they do now — and why would a BT engineer in the dead of night play games with their line?"

OK there is some discussion of how to get a clear line into the house.  I'll find it later and we'll discuss it then.

You said "Instead of conjuring up implausible scenarios, Rob, go by the facts that are known — including the lies Bamber told.

He said Nevill rang him and then the phone cut off “like someone had pressed the buttons down”. He was obviously trying to infer that Sheila had walked over to Nevill as he was speaking on the phone and placed her fingers on the cut-off buttons.

We all know that’s pathetic and utter rubbish."

Well that is how you see it. 

You said "Whatever, JB said the phone cut off, so he would have got the dialling tone immediately."

He would need to put his phone down first and then pick it up again to get a new dial tone.

He claimed he rang back (not immediately, I seem to recall...), and got the engaged tone. But that engaged tone happened when he himself took the receiver off its cradle.

You said "His lies are all tosh.

Finally, there were NO calls made to the police, 999, or any other number from WHF after Jeremy Bamber took the receiver off. None. Not one.

It’s time wasting discussing it"

That is right if you just want  to rave on about your views there is no point discussing it.


You haven’t explained what I write that was incorrect?

BTW, I’m not interested in discussing how engineers get a line into a house; I find it extremely boring, and it has nothing to do with what happened.

You’re wrong about the dialling tone. When the CALLER disconnects on a landline you immediately get the dialling tone.

I’m not commenting on this anymore, I’m becoming bored stiff
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 12:20:08 PM
Any idea why two pathologists overlooked?
In the other case I've worked recently, the Jonbenet case, the pathologist report deliberately had parts left out of it.   Supposedly some parts are not released, parts that only the killer would know about.

Could this be the case here too?


Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
Ispy "When the CALLER disconnects on a landline you immediately get the dialling tone."

I think that is wrong, you just get silence.
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Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 17, 2020, 12:25:13 PM
Ispy "When the CALLER disconnects on a landline you immediately get the dialling tone."

I think that is wrong, you just get silence.


You’re wrong.

Zzzzzzz
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Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 12:27:29 PM

You’re wrong.

Zzzzzzz
Have you got a landline?   Just yesterday my daughter hung up on me so I frigging well know what sound the phone makes.
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Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 17, 2020, 01:02:25 PM
Have you got a landline?   Just yesterday my daughter hung up on me so I frigging well know what sound the phone makes.

Yes I do.

When the caller ends the call first you get the  dialling tone. Fact.

Maybe it’s different in NZ, but that’s how it is in Great Britain and always has been

It’s all irrelevant, anyway. Everyone knows Nevill never rang Jeremy, and discussing it is a waste of time,
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Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 02:55:40 PM
Yes I do.

When the caller ends the call first you get the  dialling tone. Fact.

Maybe it’s different in NZ, but that’s how it is in Great Britain and always has been

It’s all irrelevant, anyway. Everyone knows Nevill never rang Jeremy, and discussing it is a waste of time,
Well that stumps me.
https://youtu.be/bUIiUXvnkUQ "In Old Movies, Why The Dial Tone After Someone Hangs Up?"
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Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 17, 2020, 03:42:23 PM
Well that stumps me.
https://youtu.be/bUIiUXvnkUQ "In Old Movies, Why The Dial Tone After Someone Hangs Up?"

Why?

I already said you get the dial tone when a caller hangs up, and you’ve spent time and trouble searching for evidence just to prove me right.

Thank you 😊
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Post by: Robittybob1 on June 17, 2020, 08:57:35 PM
Why?

I already said you get the dial tone when a caller hangs up, and you’ve spent time and trouble searching for evidence just to prove me right.

Thank you 😊
I do that to everyone. 
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 04:35:47 AM
This video is very convincing and hard to dispute.

https://youtu.be/Wu6L4Kvql9s  "Jeremy Bamber: Case QT - The Call Logs"  The call to the police by Nevill was at 03:26 AM and JEREMY'S call was at 3:36 AM.  Different call-in numbers recorded.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 18, 2020, 08:32:02 AM
This video is very convincing and hard to dispute.

https://youtu.be/Wu6L4Kvql9s  "Jeremy Bamber: Case QT - The Call Logs"  The call to the police by Nevill was at 03:26 AM and JEREMY'S call was at 3:36 AM.  Different call-in numbers recorded.


Whilst you keep producing pro Jeremy stuff that even those dispute who are pro Jeremy, you're going to be emulating Sheila and finding out that the wall you insist on bashing your head against is very hard and unyielding.

The call notated is Jeremy's call taken by Bonnett, ergo Bonnet's log. The next notated call is Bonnett's passed on call to West in another building, ergo West's log. The jury had access to both.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 08:39:38 AM

Whilst you keep producing pro Jeremy stuff that even those dispute who are pro Jeremy, you're going to be emulating Sheila and finding out that the wall you insist on bashing your head against is very hard and unyielding.

The call notated is Jeremy's call taken by Bonnett, ergo Bonnet's log. The next notated call is Bonnett's passed on call to West in another building, ergo West's log. The jury had access to both.
That is one view but at the moment I'm not accepting it.  It makes no real difference in the scheme of things.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 08:47:27 AM
"Jeremy Bamber: CaseQT - How Sheila Killed the Family"  https://youtu.be/0hAarqiSwbY

No wounds on Jeremy.
Blood and bruises on Sheila.
Poor treatment of Sheila's schizophrenia IMO.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 09:06:46 AM
"Jeremy Bamber: CaseQT - Case Overview" https://youtu.be/uJDr1WDDYZE

No forensic evidence linking Jeremy to the murders.

List of social media sites https://youtu.be/uJDr1WDDYZE?t=159

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/   It is really surprising just how organised Jeremy is in setting these sites up.
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Post by: APRIL on June 18, 2020, 09:11:34 AM
That is one view but at the moment I'm not accepting it.  It makes no real difference in the scheme of things.


Why are you trying to complicate things? The same call sign -1990- was on both logs, which were clearly written in two hands. PLEASE don't go down the route of suggesting that, from the off, a civilian and a police person collaborated to conceal information from Jeremy -a totally random incident- in case it was decided to frame him later.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 09:16:07 AM

Why are you trying to complicate things? The same call sign -1990- was on both logs, which were clearly written in two hands. PLEASE don't go down the route of suggesting that, from the off, a civilian and a police person collaborated to conceal information from Jeremy -a totally random incident- in case it was decided to frame him later.
I'll look at it again later.  Thanks.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 09:20:19 AM
"Jeremy Bamber: Sentence & Secret"  https://youtu.be/9n-bDOYKuHg

Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 09:26:33 AM
"Jeremy Bamber: CaseQT - The Polygraph" https://youtu.be/ssttxMzp_v8

It is a bit strange how lots of people will ask for people to take a polygraph to prove they are innocent, yet they won't accept Jeremy's!
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 09:29:01 AM
Psychological Reports  https://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/  There are 27 reports that can be read.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 18, 2020, 09:36:16 AM
"Jeremy Bamber: Sentence & Secret"  https://youtu.be/9n-bDOYKuHg



I rarely read anything produced by the CT, but made an exception with the above. I can tell you categorically, it's total b******s and had NOTHING to do with politicians who were following what had been stated at trial. The trial judge who handed down the sentence, made clear 25 years was a MINIMUM sentence and that it remained to be seen whether it would ever considered safe to release him -you don't need to take my word for it- so Jeremy knew, from the start, there was always a chance that he'd never be released. He chose to forget it.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 18, 2020, 09:38:58 AM
Psychological Reports  https://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/  There are 27 reports that can be read.


By now, there are probably 34. Prisoners are given routine yearly assessments. What makes you think the British penal system holds Jeremy in such high regard that they single him out for tests not given to others?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: APRIL on June 18, 2020, 09:41:42 AM
"Jeremy Bamber: CaseQT - The Polygraph" https://youtu.be/ssttxMzp_v8

It is a bit strange how lots of people will ask for people to take a polygraph to prove they are innocent, yet they won't accept Jeremy's!


Polygraphs aren't considered to be reliable. I'm certain that, by now, Jeremy has become very practiced at giving a good performance.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 09:46:25 AM
https://jeremybamber.org/anthony-pargeter/  Links at bottom of page are just footnotes.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 09:48:29 AM

Polygraphs aren't considered to be reliable. I'm certain that, by now, Jeremy has become very practiced at giving a good performance.
Everyone wanted the McCanns to take the polygraph test.  They haven't done it.
The parents of the Jonbenet said they'd take the polygraph and had to have multiple goes at it to pass.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 09:49:14 AM

By now, there are probably 34. Prisoners are given routine yearly assessments. What makes you think the British penal system holds Jeremy in such high regard that they single him out for tests not given to others?
I haven't looked at them yet.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 09:51:58 AM


I rarely read anything produced by the CT, but made an exception with the above. I can tell you categorically, it's total b******s and had NOTHING to do with politicians who were following what had been stated at trial. The trial judge who handed down the sentence, made clear 25 years was a MINIMUM sentence and that it remained to be seen whether it would ever considered safe to release him -you don't need to take my word for it- so Jeremy knew, from the start, there was always a chance that he'd never be released. He chose to forget it.
I've seen nothing yet that convinces me he did it.  If he didn't do it he doesn't deserve to be imprisoned for life.
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Post by: mrswah on June 18, 2020, 10:07:25 AM
I've seen nothing yet that convinces me he did it.  If he didn't do it he doesn't deserve to be imprisoned for life.

But I thought you had come to the conclusion that Jeremy had shot Sheila??
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Post by: APRIL on June 18, 2020, 10:23:59 AM
I've seen nothing yet that convinces me he did it.  If he didn't do it he doesn't deserve to be imprisoned for life.



Yet you're convinced that Sheila, gun ignorant and medicated to the point of lethargy, but managing to hold that rifle steady enough to shoot June neatly between her eyes, pulled it off.
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Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 11:24:03 AM
But I thought you had come to the conclusion that Jeremy had shot Sheila??
No, just that someone else shot Sheila.  I can't put a name on who it was as yet.
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Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 11:43:53 AM


Yet you're convinced that Sheila, gun ignorant and medicated to the point of lethargy, but managing to hold that rifle steady enough to shoot June neatly between her eyes, pulled it off.

There is a thread about what I said I thought Sheila could have done to June.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11621.msg600879#msg600879

I say:
"There is a pattern here with the first shots fired into June and Nevill appear to be non-lethal maiming type shots.  If these were fired by Sheila was she really not intending to kill her parents.

But that would still mean the shots into June and Nevill would have to be from the first magazine for it takes a bit of time to reload a magazine, time and two hands from experience.

So Sheila has a near-empty gun and the bullets to reload the magazine are down in the kitchen but so are both her parents now, wounded but still on their feet.  How is she going to reload the magazine?

Maybe it is at that point she decides to commit suicide, but how many bullets did she have left?  One for each of the kids and one for herself.  That's 10 and that is all the shell that there was in the magazine.

But then who does all the rest?  (25 Bullets fired)  That is the question.  But after that, it is a series of lethal shots and a fight.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 18, 2020, 01:21:38 PM
This video is very convincing and hard to dispute.

https://youtu.be/Wu6L4Kvql9s  "Jeremy Bamber: Case QT - The Call Logs"  The call to the police by Nevill was at 03:26 AM and JEREMY'S call was at 3:36 AM.  Different call-in numbers recorded.


Nonsense
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 18, 2020, 01:24:34 PM
"Jeremy Bamber: CaseQT - How Sheila Killed the Family"  https://youtu.be/0hAarqiSwbY

No wounds on Jeremy.
Blood and bruises on Sheila.
Poor treatment of Sheila's schizophrenia IMO.


No bruises on Sheila — what don’t you understand about that?

You’re not a doctor, so you have no right to say how Sheila’s treatment was being handled: you don’t have any knowledge.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 18, 2020, 01:27:02 PM
This video is very convincing and hard to dispute.

https://youtu.be/Wu6L4Kvql9s  "Jeremy Bamber: Case QT - The Call Logs"  The call to the police by Nevill was at 03:26 AM and JEREMY'S call was at 3:36 AM.  Different call-in numbers recorded.

Convincing to the naive or those who’ve no idea...

Why are you spending so much time looking at crap?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: barrier on June 18, 2020, 01:29:09 PM
I've seen nothing yet that convinces me he did it.  If he didn't do it he doesn't deserve to be imprisoned for life.

You don't need to be, the appeal courts need to be convinced, why is it you don't think they have ?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 18, 2020, 01:29:52 PM
In the other case I've worked recently, the Jonbenet case, the pathologist report deliberately had parts left out of it.   Supposedly some parts are not released, parts that only the killer would know about.

Could this be the case here too?

When you say other cases you’ve “worked” on, Rob...do you actually feel you’re working for the police?

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Post by: Caroline on June 18, 2020, 01:35:43 PM
I've seen nothing yet that convinces me he did it.  If he didn't do it he doesn't deserve to be imprisoned for life.

That's because rather then reading the evidence first, you are making theories that others are correcting because they are just based on imagination. Creating a third party when there is no evidence of one and sticking to it puts you at a disadvantage.
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Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 04:59:44 PM
You don't need to be, the appeal courts need to be convinced, why is it you don't think they have ?
They must be tackling it from the wrong position so far.  Look it is a difficult task to find the right answer.
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Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
When you say other cases you’ve “worked” on, Rob...do you actually feel you’re working for the police?
As I said earlier I work for the Lord Jesus Christ.    All I want is to find the truth.   I have not been told who is at fault here. 
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 05:04:27 PM
That's because rather then reading the evidence first, you are making theories that others are correcting because they are just based on imagination. Creating a third party when there is no evidence of one and sticking to it puts you at a disadvantage.
I don't know if that third party ultimately becomes Jeremy, who knows?
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 05:08:46 PM

Don’t you worry your head about it, Rob...the police and courts have dealt with Jeremy and don’t require your help, I promise you.

I know you like to help, which is sweet of you, but so far none of the police you’ve sent your theories to have even replied to you. I saw that you emailed Scotland Yard about Madeleine McCann’s case, and told them that after your thorough investigation online, you believe a man and woman wanted to kidnap Maddie, and by chance Gerry had thought he’d murdered her accidentally when checking in on them, and quickly hid her body in a ditch. Then by chance the couple who wanted to kidnap found her and she was still alive! Gerry, despite being a consultant cardiologist thought she was dead, but he was wrong.

Then by another incredible chance the couple found ANOTHER dead little girl! They then, for unknown reasons, took THAT dead girl’s body and placed it in the apartment. Obviously, for some unknown reason they removed it again!

So, there’s TWO dead girls...or one, depending on your train of thought.

Did the police follow up this lead of yours?🤪

Guess I’ll be WARNED now...FFS
And doesn't that scenario or something like that seem likely now they are dealing with Christian B?  You can't put it past him that he moved dead kids around and snatched a living replacement. 
You didn't quite understand my theory entirely but you got close to it.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 18, 2020, 06:38:02 PM
And doesn't that scenario or something like that seem likely now they are dealing with Christian B?  You can't put it past him that he moved dead kids around and snatched a living replacement. 
You didn't quite understand my theory entirely but you got close to it.


Your scenario is absolutely insane !

I’ve never read such weird nonsense in my life, and how awful it must be for Scotland Yard when they receive emails like yours from strangers !

I shouldn’t even bother commenting on it, but your idea that there was a SECOND child murdered  and they deliberately put her body in the apartment — then removed it — is absolutely barking mad!

I’ve tried MUTING you but it won’t seem to work...






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Post by: mrswah on June 18, 2020, 08:30:59 PM
Please keep on topic..TY.
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 18, 2020, 11:37:44 PM
That's because rather then reading the evidence first, you are making theories that others are correcting because they are just based on imagination. Creating a third party when there is no evidence of one and sticking to it puts you at a disadvantage.
I don't know how you create theories but whenever I read something "I'm asking myself how could that happen?".
Title: Re: officialbambervideo What can we learn from the videos.
Post by: Caroline on June 19, 2020, 11:17:28 PM
I don't know how you create theories but whenever I read something "I'm asking myself how could that happen?".

I tend to read the whole thing before coming up with a theory, you can't make a decent theory with sketchy details. Not even Clouseau did that  @)(++(*