New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Gertrude]

No it's a statement of fact.  If the PJ had done their job properly and found out who took Madeleine and brought charges in the initial investigation that resulted in a conviction then there would have been no need for Op Grange or German police involvement.

 I respectfully disagree. There are many cases the world over that are only solved years later when for instance DNA advances are made or someone gives more information, ergo that key evidence was not available to the original investigators.

 I agree the PJ investigation was not perfect but that doesn't mean it's the only reason the crime hasn't been solved.

[Venturi Swirl]

If the mccs had done there job properly Maddie would be here today.

Ah - the argument of last resort.  When backed into a corner lash out at the McCanns.  Nice.

[Venturi Swirl]

I respectfully disagree. There are many cases the world over that are only solved years later when for instance DNA advances are made or someone gives more information, ergo that key evidence was not available to the original investigators.

 I agree the PJ investigation was not perfect but that doesn't mean it's the only reason the crime hasn't been solved.

"Not perfect" - understatement of the day.  IMO.

[Gertrude]

"Not perfect" - understatement of the day.  IMO.

At least as you say it's your opinion.

[misty]

I wonder at what stage Bruekner's DNA profile was placed on the German data base, which subsequently led to the Portuguese being able to link him with the 2005 rape in Luz?

[kizzy]

Neither do you.

The mccs left children on there own - that's the truth

You just don't like me saying it.

[jassi]

 From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

The Metropolitan Police admitted that Brueckner had been among 600 people previously considered potentially significant in the McCann inquiry.

But investigators said he was not considered a suspect until new information was received in response to an appeal made on the 10th anniversary of her disappearance in 2017.

[Venturi Swirl]

I wonder at what stage Bruekner's DNA profile was placed on the German data base, which subsequently led to the Portuguese being able to link him with the 2005 rape in Luz?

It wasn't his DNA that linked him to the rape, not initially anyway

"Christian B was reportedly linked to the case after an acquaintance stole a camera from his home but later found footage on it showing him carrying out the attack"

[Gertrude]

I wonder at what stage Bruekner's DNA profile was placed on the German data base, which subsequently led to the Portuguese being able to link him with the 2005 rape in Luz?

What linked him apparently was the two friends stealing a video camera and viewing the rape which was recorded on it. They told police it was Bruckner.

"....The case had remained unsolved until a Portuguese police cold case team linked the rape to the testimony of the two acquaintances who had stolen the video camera. The alleged video was not shown in court and is not thought to be in police possession.....

He would have got away with the heinous crime but witnesses, two friends of Brückner, came forward many years later to testify against him.

They had stolen his video camera and found on it, according to a subsequent court case, recordings of at least two rapes. One showed the older woman being attacked and the other a young victim raped in his farmhouse. ''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/06/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-everything-know/

[misty]

It wasn't his DNA that linked him to the rape, not initially anyway

"Christian B was reportedly linked to the case after an acquaintance stole a camera from his home but later found footage on it showing him carrying out the attack"

I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.

[Venturi Swirl]

I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.

Apparently the Portuguese didn't "do" DNA back in the dark ages of the 2000s.

[faithlilly]

From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

The Metropolitan Police admitted that Brueckner had been among 600 people previously considered potentially significant in the McCann inquiry.

But investigators said he was not considered a suspect until new information was received in response to an appeal made on the 10th anniversary of her disappearance in 2017.

Much like the PJ’s handling of him.

[jassi]

Much like the PJ’s handling of him.

There must surely be a degree of embarrassment in Grange - there he was, a prime suspect par excellence - and they missed him

Bet there was a flurry of a*se covering the day that was discovered.

[Venturi Swirl]

There must surely be a degree of embarrassment in Grange - there he was, a prime suspect par excellence - and they missed him

Bet there was a flurry of a*se covering the day that was discovered.

Was a time when people on this forum believed Operation Grange was deliberately being prolonged indefinitely so as to cover the embarrassment of them not having a clue about anything.  Makes you wonder why they’ve agreed to go along with this new line of enquiry if the whole investigation was a face-saving one designed to protect not only the McCanns but themselves.

[Venturi Swirl]

Madeleine McCann suspect linked to murder of girl, 16, whose body was found chopped up on beach
Brittany Vonow6 Jun 2020,
THE prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann could be linked to the murder of a 16-year-old German girl whose body was found chopped up on a Belgian beach.

Carola Titze had reportedly been in contact with a German man days before she disappeared while on holiday in De Haan in 1996.

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 Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996
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Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996Credit: nordphoto
 Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
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Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCannCredit: Bild
Tragically, her body was found badly mutilated in sand dunes just days later.

And local Belgian media VTM News today reported that prosecutors are now examining whether Christian B can be considered a suspect in the case.

Christian, who is now 43, would have been about 19 at the time of Carola's disappearance.

The young woman had reportedly been seen at a local disco with a German man before her death.

And despite police constructing a potential image of the suspect, no one was ever arrested.

Christian has this week been named as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And Christian, who is currently in jail for the rape of an American tourist, has now been linked to two other disappearances of children.

German detectives investigating Christian B have contacted the family of René Hasee to say they were looking into his 1996 abduction again.

Youngster René, from Elsdorf, Germany, vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur - just 25 miles from Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

He ran ahead during a family walk on the beach to go in the sea. After losing sight of him they never saw him again and were left with just his clothes lying on the beach.

 Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murder
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Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murderCredit: nordphoto
 René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
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René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
 Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015
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Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015Credit: PA:Press Association
Detectives believe the suspect was regularly living in the Algarve from 1995. He was already convicted of sex offences against children and would have been 19 at the time René disappeared.

Christian B is also being re-investigated over the disappearance of a girl dubbed the 'German Maddie'.

Christian B was reported to be in the same area as five-year-old German girl Inga Gehricke when she vanished in May 2015.

The little girl had been enjoying a family BBQ in woodland in the state of Saxony-Anhalt, around 50 miles from Berlin, when she vanished without a trace in chilling echoes of Madeleine's disappearance.

Portuguese police have since insisted they didn't discount Christian as a suspect in the case of missing Madeleine.

The British toddler was just three-years-old when she vanished in Portugal while on holidays with her family in 2007.

Christian B is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for raping an American woman, 72, in Portugal.

We are now able to show his picture in full in the UK after it was published in a major German newspaper - as cops in both countries appeal for anyone who knows him to come forward.

The suspect, who we cannot legally name in full, was first thrust into the frame in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting Madeleine in a bar.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend in Germany when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.



German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Christian B was first thrust into the frame in connection with Madeleine's disappearance in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting the girl while in a bar with a pal in Germany.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.

German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found.