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Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #570 on: June 13, 2020, 02:39:04 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:40:49 PM
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Detective Superintendent Hill – who had secured the world’s first conviction based on familial DNA – could have helped while the evidence was still fresh. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8416013/Bungling-local-Madeleine-McCann-officers-froze-says-UK-detective.html

Found there wan no problem with his offer of using his expertise when the Judicial police had Robert Murat in their sights.

To produce a profile of him. I don't think he was asked to do so by the PJ; the first mention of Murat was made by a British journalist to Leicestershire Police on 6th May. Then an anonymous tip off was received by the PJ on 11th May.
Immediately the PJ started to gather information about him.   
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #571 on: June 13, 2020, 03:07:22 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2020, 12:01:49 PM
From 2007-2011 he was Head of Behaviour Analysis, Child Exploitation Online Protection centre (CEOP). His job was to advise on the behaviour of child sex abusers. Before that he was a Surrey police officer.

In the article he seems to be suggesting he had a wider role and a wealth of knowledge on search procedures and interview techniques. I expect he had knowledge, but no more than any other senior detective.

At the time he had no expertise which entitled him to interfere in or judge the PJ's investigation imo.
He sounds eminently qualified to offer advice re: a missing child to a police force out of its depth imo.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #572 on: June 13, 2020, 03:42:18 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2020, 03:07:22 PM
He sounds eminently qualified to offer advice re: a missing child to a police force out of its depth imo.

He has proven himself NOT to be an expert on this case. He claims the apartment was locked, 16 friends, 8 couples? He needs a lot of help! You cannot clear any theory with no evidence of a break-in. He thought it was locked and there was evidence of a break-in because he is ignorant!
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #573 on: June 13, 2020, 03:49:13 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 13, 2020, 03:42:18 PM
He has proven himself NOT to be an expert on this case. He claims the apartment was locked, 16 friends, 8 couples? He needs a lot of help! You cannot clear any theory with no evidence of a break-in. He thought it was locked and there was evidence of a break-in because he is ignorant!
He wasn’t offering advice on the number of couples or whether the door was locked or not, I expect he credited the PJ with enough knowledge to be able to work out the basics, he was offering more specialised advice concerning behaviour analysis and child exploitation.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #574 on: June 13, 2020, 03:59:37 PM »
Maybe he should have found this German being in CEOP as they were supposed to be looking for possible child abuse suspects in the area? They concentrated on Murat and missed him too!  A nanny claims the PJ showed the German's photo only days after the disappearance so they were investigating him as a possible suspect.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #575 on: June 13, 2020, 04:04:03 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 13, 2020, 03:59:37 PM
Maybe he should have found this German being in CEOP as they were supposed to be looking for possible child abuse suspects in the area? They concentrated on Murat and missed him too!  A nanny claims the PJ showed the German's photo only days after the disappearance so they were investigating him as a possible suspect.
I wasn’t aware that UK police were allowed to conduct their own separate investigations on PT soil in 2007...
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #576 on: June 13, 2020, 07:55:04 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on June 13, 2020, 01:31:27 PM
Starting with the Tanner sighting ... there are quite a few ... then you know that already don't you.

No... Tannerman has been accounted for apparently. That only leaves Smithman for a possible sighting of MM on the day she was reported missing.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #577 on: June 13, 2020, 08:00:14 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 13, 2020, 03:49:13 PM
He wasn’t offering advice on the number of couples or whether the door was locked or not, I expect he credited the PJ with enough knowledge to be able to work out the basics, he was offering more specialised advice concerning behaviour analysis and child exploitation.

He was just another uninvited, unneeded foreign policeman who thought he knew better than the PJ. He wasn't there to tell them how to do their jobs.
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Offline Anthro

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #578 on: June 13, 2020, 08:04:48 PM »
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 13, 2020, 07:55:04 PM
No... Tannerman has been accounted for apparently. That only leaves Smithman for a possible sighting of MM on the day she was reported missing.
Dr Totman has been accounted for. What Jane Tanner witnessed may well be a man carrying Madeleine within that space of time. Totman would not have looked back and noticed that this person was behind him. My thinking.
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Offline jassi

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #579 on: June 13, 2020, 08:11:19 PM »
Quote from: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
Dr Totman has been accounted for. What Jane Tanner witnessed may well be a man carrying Madeleine within that space of time. Totman would not have looked back and noticed that this person was behind him. My thinking.

If I've got the direction of travel correct, they would be converging
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Offline barrier

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #580 on: June 13, 2020, 08:13:59 PM »
Quote from: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
Dr Totman has been accounted for. What Jane Tanner witnessed may well be a man carrying Madeleine within that space of time. Totman would not have looked back and noticed that this person was behind him. My thinking.

Redwood never mentioned who Tanner saw,but what can be determined is whoever Redwood found obviously never saw any thing suspicious,thats why the timeline moved onto to a person carrying a child whose description was close to that of Madeleine McCann.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #581 on: June 13, 2020, 08:25:59 PM »
Quote from: Anthro on June 13, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
Dr Totman has been accounted for. What Jane Tanner witnessed may well be a man carrying Madeleine within that space of time. Totman would not have looked back and noticed that this person was behind him. My thinking.

Gerry and Jez must be blind to not notice all these people crossing the road @)(++(*

How Tannerman can morph from Murat to a hippy Beatle is a more interesting question.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2020, 08:28:01 PM by pathfinder73 »
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Anthro

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #582 on: June 13, 2020, 08:50:57 PM »
Quote from: jassi on June 13, 2020, 08:11:19 PM
If I've got the direction of travel correct, they would be converging
Totman, apparently, was walking away from block 5. I still do not understand how he was going towards the night crèche at the time? How would he meet with someone, possibly with Madeleine, during that time? In my opinion, it is possible that whoever took Madeleine was aware of all the movements that night. Tanner could have been witnessing what she thought to be Madeleine carried by a man, a few steps behind Totman.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #583 on: June 13, 2020, 08:54:49 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on June 13, 2020, 08:00:14 PM
He was just another uninvited, unneeded foreign policeman who thought he knew better than the PJ. He wasn't there to tell them how to do their jobs.
IMO, they obviously needed telling but wouldn’t be told.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #584 on: June 13, 2020, 08:58:20 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on June 13, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
The Tanner sighting is not thought to have been Madeleine by OG.


and he looks nothing like the tanner photo fit either...
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